Jun '04 - May '06

General posts leftover from a previous attempt to categorize forum posts.

Comments [ new ]

Tobacco pestacide: Posted by Jderringer on Wednesday, 24-May-2006
Came up w/ a great pestacide recipe for using up my tobacco trash. The ahpids on my roses are history with one use!
1) Empty gallon milk jug w/ cap
1/4c) Sudsy Ammonia
2gal garden sprayer
6oz) Tobacco scraps (big pieces of leaf, stems, the dust that falls out of the supermatic, that bag of gambler I hated!)

Directions:
Put the tobacco into the empty jug ( a paper funnel works well)
Add the sudsy ammonia
Fill to about 2" from the top w/ HOT tap water and cap it.
Let stand a day or two.
Filter thru cheese cloth into a 2gal garden sprayer.
Fill it up to the 2gal mark w/ tap water and let 'um have it!

Used it last week and all the treated plants look pretty happy!
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Hello: Posted by TT on Sunday, 21-May-2006
First of all, congrats for the nice and informative site …
And here is the question…. I can buy in stores only tobaccos loaded with crap like hydrogen cyanide, benzene, etc, etc… I can’t buy and never have seen in any local store tobacco that has just a small amount of nicotine and that is without additives.. Therefore, is it possible at home somehow to “wash” highly additive tobacco from a store, leaving it with just a small amount of nicotine, and how a procedure would look like?

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Super Fast Tobacco Aging: Posted by Matt on Sunday, 23-Apr-2006
...a little something I was reading on another site.

http://vegassmokes.com/pipe-smoking-tips.htm

Super Fast Tobacco Aging

Now that the warm weather has arrived (at least here in Vegas where it has been 105+) I'd like to share an aging trick that I discovered quite by accident. Take a tin of tobacco and place it on your dashboard in full sunlight or on a window sill in full sunlight. Leave it there for about 30 minutes +/-. Now take the tin inside and allow it to cool to room temperature. You'll find that your tobacco will now taste and smoke very similar to tobacco that has been aged about 6 - 12 months. Of course there's no substitute for properly aged tobacco but this is a great way to improve the smoking quality of just about any type of tobacco. This technique works especially well with Virginia style tobacco. If you'd like to try this with your favorite bulk tobacco simply use an old tin or small coffee can. Only do 2 - 4 ounces at a time. Enjoy!

...think I'll try that with some Stokkebye!

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Posted by Jeff March on Thursday, 27-Apr-2006

Hi all,
Yeah, Ill be long winded on this one. Started stuffing zigzag light tubes on a supermatic in March with menthol. Pretty good. Got all the samples of menthol from american thrust, and I liked the Wingate menthol. Right now im working on a can of McLintock which seems like a good value, and pretty good smoke.(Im not a connaseiure, just trying to save some bucks and get a decent smoke) My issue with the McLintock was its in a large tin, and it seems quite moist, and stringy? I emptied half the 14oz tin in a gallon ziploc bag and took it from there. Shake it up, look at it, and pluck a handful for a couple packs at a time. Seems to work, and pretty cheap for a cheap smoker like me. Any comments? Also, with the Supermatic, the prices of parts seem pretty cheap, so why not order a part or two ahead of time for a breakdown? Also American Thrust has a deal about refurbishing your Supermatic. Any feedback on this deal? Sounds good on a 75 buck order. Any feedback would be cool since Im a pretty happy stuffer right now! (My wife still insists on her Doral Menthol Lights, even though the last carton I bought last week for $50 had two year old collectors cards in them!!!!!)
Thanks again for your support to help a newcomer whos trying to save major bucks, and appreciate a smoke that is better. Night all, Jeff

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Newbies comments on stuffing: Posted by Robert on Friday, 28-Apr-2006
Somebody once told me "Welcome to the horde" ... lol. As far as the McClintock being moist goes there are several threads in the storage section about how to dry out or rehydrate tobacco as the need arises. Lots of good information there. Dry tobacco can become a little harsh if to dry and will give more throat and tounge sensation where moist tobacco will seem very mild. Basically it should feel kinda dry and crisp in your hand but not turn to dust when handled. .... About it being stringy that is actually not a bad thing. Premade cigarettes use commercial grade tobacco and contain quite a bit of flake whereas the syo tobacco can be "stringy" ... I've found that the shag cut (extremely stringy) have been exceptionally good (i.e. Peter Stokkebye Danish Export though not really shag is still stringy, Bali Shag Turkish, ect.) ..... You may also want to get a simple little hand injector for around 5 to 10 bucks because they are portable, make a great backup, they're indestructible, and believe it or not can make a pack of cigarettes in around 5 minutes. .... And you are right about saving major bucks. Syo will save you a fortune and the best part of the whole thing is that you can use the absolute best tobacco in the world and still save a fortune. I still haven't been able to order any tobacco for syo (and I'm still looking for the most expensive stuff I can find) that cost as much as generic premades. I'm a little more fortunate in that respect (Name Brand ciggies cost around 30 - 35 bucks a carton here)and I'm still saving a mint. If premades were one dollar a pack I wouldn't switch back now! I'm not a menthol smoker so can't really help much there. The people on this board are awesome and very, very helpful.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Newbies comments on stuffing

Posted by Dano on Friday, 28-Apr-2006

If you're unhappy with the large tin, McClintock Menthol comes in a smaller 6 oz can.

My supermatic lasted about a year before it died. Served me well. I started using one of those little blue premier hand held injectors when it did. Makes smokes just as good, just as fast so I stuck with it. After a year I couldn't see putting out money for a new supermatic when the little $5 machine was doing a great job.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Newbies comments on stuffing: Posted by andrew on Saturday, 29-Apr-2006
Like others said, stuffing both ends of the supermatic is a good tip to make the cigarette better shaped. Also make sure you dont dry the tobacco too much so it doesnt turn into dust when you handle it. Some moist tobacoos stuff very well, it just depends what moisture you prefer to smoke it. If you want a premium high quality SOY i would suggest St. James Parish from D&R. Very good tobacco with no preservatives or additives. I dry it so its just slightly crisp and to me its as good as any american pre-made. And of course the more people buy it the better chance D&R keep it around :)
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

one dollar ash tray additive? NICE: Posted by Robert on Tuesday, 25-Apr-2006
I went to the dollar store in the mall and they had these scented gravel looking things to put in your ashtray. I figured what the heck, it's a dollar. Wow this stuff is AWESOME .... it comes in a 30g tin and says that 3g should last for about 10 cigarettes. There's no odor when you put it in the ashtray but when you put out your butt you get this very pleasant, very pleasing, non-obtrusive scent. I got the vanilla so I can't speak to the other scents but my wife is the pickiest person on this planet about scent and she loved it so much we're going back to buy all they've got in case they run out!!!
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

How Many Cigarettes [was question]

Posted by Maggie on Saturday, 25-Mar-2006

Can anyone tell me approximately how many cigarettes can be stuffed with a 6 ounce can of tobacco?
I recently tried TOP menthol. I think it is pretty good. I'm waiting for my on line order of tobacco samples to arrive.
Have a great Saturday!

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by Kev on Saturday, 25-Mar-2006
I buy 14oz bags and they come with tubes for 2 cartons. I can usually get a little more than 2 cartons. The tobacco I smoke has very little trash - the powder and short stuff at the bottom of the bag. I throw the powder on the lawn close to the house since many bugs don't like tobacco.

I would assume a 6oz can would give a carton in a perfect world. This also assumes king size tubes. SYO tubes are larger in diameter than store bought so if you stuff 100's, you'll come out a little short on tobacco.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by Matt on Saturday, 25-Mar-2006
I used to roll Bugler and could use all of the 230 complimentary papers just as the bottom of the 6oz. can was turning to unusable shake (1/8oz or so). Plus, I can hand roll a cigarette like a Chesterfield so do-overs & throw-aways are rare.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question

Posted by platoslostdialogue on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006

American Spirit comes in 5.29 ounce cans, rougly 1/3 of a pound. Figuring a pound is around two cartons worth of smokes, I worked out that a can of Spirit or Bali Shag is around 66 cigarettes. A can of Spirit (and bali) in the East Bay Area costs $15, for around three packs of cigarettes. I figured I might as well me buying premade Spirits (like I used to) at that price and started getting my tobacco over the internet from D&R (I once ordered from Lil' Brown with good results) and haven't really gone back. My friends say I'm crazy for having so many types of tobacco while they smoke the same thing, day in-day out. I just can't do that anymore. MYO has made me a tobacco snob.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by JD on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006
Man, that's the truth. I cannot stand to be in a position where I gotta buy a pack of nasty "premades." I've been MYO'ing for about five years now and I'd never go back if a pack of premades dropped back down to 50 cents. There are way too many fine quality tobaccos out there to settle for industrial-grade stuff.

It was a hassle learning the ropes when I first started, but after a few months anyone can be damn near an expert at this stuff.... Especially with the help of forums like this (and to a lesser extent these days, Doug's annual magazine).
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by G on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006
I think you are underestimating. A can of American Spirit has 150g of tobacco in it. A cigarette is 1 gram more or less. Even if you are messy and make super firm smokes, you should be able to get at leat 5 packs from each can.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question

Posted by Bob on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006

If a pound is 2 cartons, then the 5.29oz. can would give you 132.5 cigarettes per can. 6.5 packs for $15.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by platoslostdialogue on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006
Ah, yes. I divided 200/3 instead of 400/3. I sound smart today!
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by Dano on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006
I haven't counted lately but when I used to buy 1 oz pouches of McV I would get about 30 cigs give or take to a pouch. (depending on how dry and how much shake ended up in the pouch). Sometimes 28 cigs, sometimes 32.

So i'd say in general a 6 oz can makes just under a carton of cigs. With the tubes at say $2.50 and the tobacco at $8.50 a 6.oz can that's roughly between $11.00 & $13.00 a carton.

With pre made cigs (Marlboros or any premium pre made )going for anywhere from $50 to $75 a carton in this neck of the woods and considering that the pre made tobacco is crap and the MYO tobacco actually tastes wonderful, you can see it's a whole different universe, both taste & price wise.

I have an Indian reservation down the street and they sell cartons of wierdo cigs for $12 or $13 bucks a carton. They taste like old sneakers :) I don't even the Bums in NYC will take them for a handout anymore. :)
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: question: Posted by jeff march on Thursday, 13-Apr-2006
Hi,
I've been getting around 180 smokes on a can of zigzag menthol.(9 packs) on my supermatic with king tubes at the 100 setting. It still depends on how you stuff the chamber I guess. Jeff
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

questions from a "newbie"

Posted by Maggie on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2006

Hi All,
I'd like to begin rolling my own, but am having difficulty understanding how to obtain tobacco. I've visited some of the sites on line, but don't understand how to make sure the tax is paid. I don't want to receive a tax bill from the state.
I bought a little blue Zig-Zag filter cigarette making machine and Zig-Zag filtered tubes (both king sized) and they worked really well. I'm planning on buying better equipment when I find tobacco/s that I like. I have only used Kite (nasty, nasty stuff!!), but will buy samples when I can be sure of how to buy them without running into difficulty with the state.
When I was a kid, my older brother and sisters had a Bugler which they used in their "cigarette factory" in our attic. They rolled for all of their friends. lol With the high price of cigarettes and the decline in their good taste, I'm serious about learning how to roll my own and have fun experimenting with tastes and flavors.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: questions from a "newbie": Posted by Kev on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2006
Depends on your state assuming you're in the US. In Texas, the state has a tax rate for importers, retailers, wholesalers, etc, etc but not individuals. The page in internet/telephone purchases only discusses cigarettes sold in packs. So no tax to pay for individuals buying bulk tobacco or cigars. Once SYO becomes a visible percentage of the tobacco users, this will all change.

There are a few odd states. Someone from Maryland, Maine or somewhere in that part of the country mentioned how their state taxed SYO tubes at a very high rate.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: questions from a "newbie": Posted by slap maxwell on Wednesday, 22-Mar-2006
Jump on in!

Most of the horror stories you're hearing about huge tax bills are people who are purchasing pre-made ciggies either overseas or in massive quantities through American Indian companies in an attempt to avoid state taxes on cig. A friend of mine in Illinois, whom I tried to convert to MYO, insisted on purchasing his Marlboros this way. A few months back he received a tax bill, with penalties and fines, of over $3,250.00. The most you might have to worry about with MYO stuff mail order is if the state ever decided to hit you up for the sales tax, which in mosts states is relatively monor compared to their massive, regressive levy on premade cigarettes.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: questions from a "newbie": Posted by Dano on Wednesday, 22-Mar-2006
Welcome to the myo universe!

Up here in NY the State is going tax crazy trying to collect back taxes but that's only for packaged cigs. It's mostly an effort in NYC because billionaire Mayor Bloomberg has a social agenda. They aren't having a whole lot of luck collecting those taxes either. I've been doing mail order myo for years and as a practical reality, since the tax rate is so low on this myo tobacco, I wouldn't even worry about it. It's a non issue.

As far as equipment goes :) Since you're using a hand held injector to start off with, I think you'll find that it's actually as good/better than the big machines. I've ranted about this elsewhere in here so I won't go into it again :)

Yeah, Kite is nasty Nasty! I don't know what kind of cigs you used to smoke but i'm a McClintock Virgina smoker. I used to smoke Marlboro's and the McV is just soooo much better.

My wife really likes McClintock Light. Some smokes that I find pretty tasty are Roland Light from J&R. It's got a cocoa smell to it but there's only the slightest taste of it in the smoke, pretty tasty. I also like the Windsail Platinum. You might want to try the flavored smokes from TOP. The Strawberry, Vanilla & Cherry are really outstanding! I'm not big on flavored smokes but I was pleasantly surprised at how good those were. (The Peach & Margarita are pretty bad though :)

As for tubes, (imho) the Rizla Deluxe tube is the best for a full flavor tube. Zig Zag is my back up tube and there's really little difference besides price. Any tube made by Premier should be thrown in the garbage or given to someone you don't like! :)

Let us know what you try and how you make out.
Happy Smoking!
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: questions from a "newbie": Posted by gruz on Thursday, 23-Mar-2006

Just buy the tobacco from your nearest smoke shop. Zig zag tobacco is my favorite.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Stoving tobacco: Posted by rom on Saturday, 11-Mar-2006
I recently got some virginia tobacco that tasted pretty good but was harsh on the throat and bit my toungue a little. After reading about the technique of stoving tabacco, I put the tobacco in the oven, packed tight in a glass container, at 200 degrees for about an hour and ten minutes. The tobacco was smoother and had less bite when it was done, but tasted just a little bland. I'm thinking that adjusting the heat and time might yeild better results if I want to do it again. Any one have tips or comments on stoving? Anyone know how stoving / heat affects nicotine content?
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

How Long Do Your MYO's Last?

Posted by JD on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005

I was scanning through the back issues of RYO mag (www.ryomagazine.com/aug2002/filters.htm) and read something about 100mm MYO smokes lasting for over ten minutes.

I guess that might be the case if you light up and take one puff, leaving the rest to smolder on its own--or stuff really moist tobacco, or are smoking a straight Ramback stick--but usually my 100m sticks seem to last about 7 to 8 minutes, about the same as any premade I remember smoking (I have no desire to buy any of that crap just to check, however;-) )

Anyone else besides Doug get >10 minute smokes out there?

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?: Posted by Racoonster on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005
I don't usually make 100's. But my King Size SYO s burn longer than any pre-mades such as Marlboro. I would guess I get 50% more drags per smoke. Never felt motivated to time them though.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?

Posted by Tim Aydt on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005

Just timed one while I was sitting here at my computer. Smoking Mark's newest Athey trial blend in a Premier 100mm tube, it lasted just over ten minutes.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?

Posted by JD on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005

Just finished off a 100mm light stick of straight Ramback. 14 minutes. But I wouldn't wanna do it all the time. ;-)

My 100mm light sticks of Windsail Platinum seem to last on average about 8 minutes.

How is the new Athey's for stuffing? I bought a tub once to hand-roll a few months back--the taste was great.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?: Posted by Tim Aydt on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005
Stuffs great. A clean quality cut. I'll post more about it after I give my opinion to Mark.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?: Posted by JD on Monday, 28-Nov-2005
Just discovered something interesting...I typically use a SANDA holder that has filter cartridges filled with little clear beads. I ran out of cartridges earlier and discovered that my 100mm sticks of Windsail Platinum last about 10 minutes not using the SANDA. Must be taking bigger drags with the thing than without. I'm beginning to feel a little pedantic now. Excuse me while I light up another one.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?: Posted by Skwag on Saturday, 17-Dec-2005
13 minutes for a 100mm Premier Light stick stuffed with Penhooker Light.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?

Posted by G on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005

Just did a timing. Stuffed a Rizla Cigarette size tube with American Spirit US Grown blend and smoked it non-intensively as I was reading. It lasted 14 minutes.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How Long Do Your MYO's Last?: Posted by platoslostdialogue on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005
Yes, though I haven't timed it, it seems the Rizlas do burn slower than other brands I have tried (Premier, Premier Light, Gambler, Gizeh charbon, Vera Cruz, Windsail, Escort), and they also seem to taste cleaner. I decided on Rizla also because that is what brand American Spirit is affiliated with and I was trying to recreate their smokes.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Internet sales

Posted by tom on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005

I'm a retailer in the State of Oregon.
This week I have had a least one person or more, each day, come into my store because they have received a "Tax Bill" from the State of Oregon or from the Federal Government or both!
One poor guy, thought he could avoid being caught by using the US Mail instead of the Internet. He was buying 20 cartons per week for his fellow employees for the past two years. Needless to say, he don't have enough assets to pay the taxman. One lady bought only two cartons on the Internet (The Seneca Nation, in the year of 2004) and she said she received a "tax bill" from the Fed's plus penalties (which were greater than the tax) but nothing from the State of Oregon.
So it looks like the Federal Government is getting into the game.As a retailer (with all taxes paid) I'm faced with not being able to find carriers that will deliver to homes. Also, customers are afraid that if they buy by the Internet or through the mail, they are going to get a bill from the Government!
My only suggestion, is that, when you buy out of state, ask for your State Tax Number from your supplier and check with your State to make sure it is valid. As far as your purchases in the past, you can cross your fingers that you might slip through the cracks. The "Jenkins Act" provides the States to your personal information and of what, where, and when you purchase your tobacco related products.
It's truly a sad day when you the buyer can not buy outside your state and as as supplier I can not sell outside of my community.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Internet sales

Posted by JD on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005

I've been reading tons lately about people getting socked with massive tax bills for ordering cartons of pre-made smokes either out-of-state or from Russia. Since I've never done this, I can't speak from any experience.

My real question would be how this impacts the RYO/MYO segment. I regularly order tobacco, tubes, etc. from D&R and LilBrown. I've never paid any tax on these items (I imagine the retailers have)--but then again, I've never paid sales tax on anything I've ordered over the Internet unless it originated in the state I live in.

Does anyone know what the status is concerning us RYO/MYOers?

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Internet sales: Posted by tom on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005
to my knowledge your suppliers do not have state license as with most other suppliers.
if your suppliers are out of your state, then i would estimate that 99.9% of your suppliers have not paid your state tax.
how this effects the RYO/MYO market? the number one reason people buy RYO/MYO is price. when an oregon consumer finds they can buy tobacco on the internet for $10.00 per pound and they go to the local RYO/MYO and find the same for $16.50 per pound, who will they buy from. oregon tax is 65% of the wholesale cost.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Internet sales

Posted by tom on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005

i might add, if you ask your supplier for a state tax id, and you get a song and dance, odds are, you will get a notice from your state asking you to pay the tax. it's your responsibility not your supplier to pay the tax!

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Internet sales

Posted by JD on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005

The crux of the biscuit is the ignorant Nannies we the people keep electing who feel compelled to strong-arm us for our hard-earned money. They're legalized highwaymen in the main....

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Internet sales: Posted by JD on Thursday, 10-Nov-2005
Luckily I live in a state (Florida) that hasn't yet jumped on the "take-em-for-everything-they've-got" bandwagon. Tax on manufactured cigarettes is only (only being relative, of course) about 34 cents/pack. I also just checked with a friend who is a state tax attorney. He states that in Florida, there are no extra taxes owed/collected on purchases of bulk tobacco and related products if ordered from out of state, provided that the federal taxes have been paid by the seller/reseller, of course. Here's hoping it stays that way.... Sounds like it sucks to be stuck in Oregon.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

How can you tell what kind of tabbco it is

Posted by Tim S. on Sunday, 16-Oct-2005

Hello Everyone.....

How can you tell if it's rolling tobacco, or if it's pipe tobacco or some thing other them rolling tobacco ?

I was wondering, because I don't know and many sites don't tell you.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How can you tell what kind of tabbco it is

Posted by Dave L on Monday, 17-Oct-2005

If it doesn't say, its usually pipe tobacco. There are a few sites that have pipe and cigarette tobacco on the same page. The Tobacco Brands and Companies pages list a high percentage of the available cigarette tobaccos. Sites with a decent selection of cigarette tobacco will have a rolling tobacco section. See the Retailers section.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How can you tell what kind of tabbco it is

Posted by Matt on Monday, 17-Oct-2005

What is the rule on something labelled "smoking tobacco"? Is is either/or? Our Advertiser says Smoking Tobacco and comes with papers. My Grandpa used to have packs of Prince Albert papers in a drawer. If these brands can make stand alone cigarettes or blend additives, what are some other brands of smoking tobacco that might be worth trying?

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: How can you tell what kind of tabbco it is: Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2005
I'd stick with 'rolling tobacco'. While Our Advertiser is a MYO tobacco, flake cuts aren't SYO friendly. Prince Albert is a pipe tobacco. Most of the tobaccos on the Brands page are worth trying.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Welcome to Making Your Own Cigarettes: Posted by tom on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005
if you have only smoked manufactured cigarettes,i would suggest that you don't go to your local store and buy the low end tobacco. instead go for the middle of the road (as far as price). tobacco is offered in natural, full flavor, light, ultra light and menthol.
you are probably not use to the taste of tobacco, so you may want to kick it back a notch.if you smoke full flavored, then start with a light tobacco and if it is not what you are looking for, step up to the full flavor or or down to the ultral light. once you establish what you are lookig for. try othter blends. those of you that smoke newport, you may have your work cut out for you.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Pipe tabacco

Posted by Mike on Monday, 10-Oct-2005

I was wondering what kind of tabacco would be a good choice to try for a pipe. Possibly a flavored one.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Pipe tabacco: Posted by tom on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005
cigarette tobacco is better used in wide shallow pipes. most ryo/myo tobacco will be to dry for pipes. for flavor add a small amount of your favorite pipe tobacco.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

MSA Question

Posted by Zippy on Friday, 07-Oct-2005

Does anyone know of a link to what tobacco companies contribute (yeah right, put a gun to their heads and call in a contribution) to the MSA, and which don't?

I have noticed some carry the "MSA" seal, while others do not.

I would rather do business with companies that do not contribute to the very groups dead set on making me out to be a leper.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question

Posted by Jan on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005

Every states' Attorney General has a list of cigarettes and tobacco products that are MSA. They also list the new, small cigarette makers that are not MSA, but pay into a states escrow account and therefore are allowed to sell the cigarettes in a particular state.

Everyone needs to turn away from the MSA brands and go on a tax strike against the MSA and the states. Many of the Native American cigarettes are available - but if you order them online, you are obligated to report and pay your states cigarette excise taxes - the Native American cigarettes are exempt from the MSA. Some even sell into specific states and pay into the escrow accounts.

The state receive an extra forty five cents per pack on every MSA pack sold in a year. The escrow accounts cannot be touched by the states for 25 years.

For more information on this subject, go www.smokerstaxrevolt.com.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question

Posted by tom on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005

i'm not an whiz kid, just an old man with time on his hands. so when i buy a pack of smokes from those big brand name companies, those big brand companies give forty five cents to the state i buy my smokes from. that forty five cents then sets for twenty five years in a escrow account collecting interest. excuse my french, but, that is going to be a heck-of-a-lot of money come pay day! i will be six feet under on that day, but those of you that are still above ground, your state will have enough money to convert your nursing home into "Trump Towers" (providing the state don't increase thier wage or give it to another good cause).
that reminds me, i heard the state of washington wants to fine you if you smoke within twenty five feet of a door or open window. also they will fine the business that sold the smoke. as a retailer if i see someone smoking within twenty five feet of my door i'm out there to kick butt. if you smoke, carry a tape-measure. if the street is not fifty feet wide you are in deep doo-doo. you better head for the city limits!
keep in mind, as you are standing at the city limits, your state got's your forty five cents plus interest, plus the fine money because you did't wait to smoke until you were miles from no-where. plus my fine as a retailer because you were within twenty-five feet of my tobacco store (and i don't even sell your brand of smokes).
sorry i'm not going to be around on payday, but you younger people, you got a lot of money coming your way! it sure beats the hell out of my 401K.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question: Posted by Warren on Thursday, 13-Oct-2005
> give forty five cents to the state i buy my smokes from.
> that forty five cents then sets for twenty five years
> in a escrow account collecting interest. excuse my french,
> but, that is going to be a heck-of-a-lot of money come
> pay day!...

There won't be a penny there. Our kleptocrats are borrowing and spending against that escrow account. It's not much different than squandering of the social security.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question: Posted by tom on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005
oh my, age is taking it's toll on me. i just realized the state in which i live is really doing everything it can to get me and everyone else to stop smoking! if i stop, it's still going to be payday for the state and the state will not have to share the money. darn, i wish i would have thought of it instead.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question

Posted by Zippy on Thursday, 13-Oct-2005

I was actually interested in bulk products. I quit smoking manufactured because of the extra taxes and MSA. Then I found out that the bulk tobacco I was using contibuted to the MSA which is at a much lower rate, but still, if I can I want to use a brand that either does not, or pays a minimal amount.

Thanks again.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: MSA Question: Posted by Jan on Thursday, 13-Oct-2005
The new companies pay into the Escrow accounts the current MSA compliant companies pay the states the forty five cents based on the number of packs or pounds sold in a state. They states get the big annual payouts every March. Of course they are borrowing against it and pay interest on the loans. Some states have even sold the entire 25 years of payments to investor for pennies on the dollar.

The big cigarette companies are still racking in billions at the expense of thier loyal customers. Many post MSA signers were not in business, or like ryo they were not involved in the settlement, not charged with any of the things the big tobacco companies were charged with, but must pay the states extortion fees in order to be allowed to sell into each state. They were not even invited to the table for the settlement talks. Big tobacco dangled a tiny percentage of thier profits before greedy state AG's. The states went on a spending spree before the ink was even dry on the contract. That is government, if you send it, they will spend it. The people can take that settlement out and force the states to lower the taxes simply by refusing to be the cash cow of big tobacco and big government. I hope this tax revolt takes hold one day. If anyone remembers the big expose of the evil doing of the cigarette companies, adding chemicals, manipulating nicotine levels and on and on. Why didn't any state tell them they could not do those things and sell the cigarettes in thier states? Could it be MONEY? Politicians are hypocrites.

Hey, I saw that WA smoking ban law. It will be the worst in the nation. I sure hope WA smoker/voters will turn out in force and defeat that turkey bill.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

New to the scene

Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005

Well first off, I'm new to this forum so id just like to say hi to everyone and introduce myself (ryan). I happened to stumble over this forum and found out everyone that posts here seems to be nice and always helping each other out. In my experience forums are not the most friendly place but this one seems pretty cool.

But anyways to my question... i was just wondering what everyones favorite blends are and what ones you would recommend. Sadly, i cannot order from the Internet because i am creditcardless still but we have local smoke shops that carry a variety of tobacco so hopefully that wont be a problem. But if u could just leave your favorite/recommended blends that would be amazing. (im new to the RYO scene so if u have any advice in general other then that feel free to post it = D, thanks)

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: New to the scene: Posted by Kev on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005
No credit card? Email stoker@aeneas.net or call 800-243-9377 and ask for a free catalog. They accept checks. Stoker carries pipes, chewing tobacco and other products. For SYO, they carry Stoker's (#1, 2, 117, etc), Old Hillside, Rivermont, Zig-Zag, Roll Rich, Jester, Samson, Bali Shag (reg and golden), Kite, Buglar, American Spirit and tubes.

We're usually a calm group around here.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: New to the scene: Posted by Wabo on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005
Hello Ryan,
D&R also accepts checks, money orders and COD's plus you can print out your order form on their website and mail it or call for COD. Their site addy is :http://www.cigarettetobacco.com/index.htm
You can get some ideas about their tobaccos here in the forums and also here:http://www.ryomagazine.com/tobacco.htm
My personal favorites are the Windsail Platinum as an everyday smoke and the SJ Rimboche as my treat smoke, both stuffed in Charbon tubes. I think D&R has something to suit most everyones taste.
Don't be afraid to try some small pouches from your local retailers to get an idea of the different kinds of tobacco out there and get an idea of what your sense of taste is compared to other people here about the same tobaccos(spicy, harsh, smooth etc.)
Enjoy the new experiences and good luck.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: New to the scene

Posted by Zippy on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005

Everyone has differing tastes, so I will tell you what I smoke.

Stoker #2 light with Gambler light tubes. That combination gives me (in my opinion) a quality smoke at a dirt cheap price.

I stuff mine for between $0.69 and $0.74 cents per 20 count pack. For reference, the tax alone in my State (State and Federal) would be $0.76 per pack.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: New to the scene

Posted by J C on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2005

looking for 24-m chewing tobacco,bulk from Stokes,do you know how i can order for i will need a lot,i'm trying to quit smoking

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: New to the scene: Posted by Kev on Thursday, 08-Dec-2005
As stated above, email stoker@aeneas.net or call 800-243-9377 and ask for a free catalog. My catalog is a year old but 24M #0021 is $32.70 per carton (6lbs) and goes down slightly as you buy more cartons ($180 for 6 cartons). Shipping was $6.50 but I'm sure it's increased.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Criteria for evaluating tobacco

Posted by V.B. on Monday, 03-Oct-2005

I'm a recent newcomer to this group and I find it very helpful with many SYO related questions I had. It occured to me that we could communicate our impressions of various tobaccos explored in a somewhat standardized manner, akin to what you find in evaluations of wine. While most people (myself included) are not THAT good in verbalizing complex sensations of taste and smell, we can at least cover (the best we can) several categories that seem important to any SYO afficionado in addition to the usually well-covered moisture and injectability properties. For example (I will refer - the best I can - to McClintock Virginia which I smoked exclusively for a long while):

AROMA/FLAVOR: a) pre-burn (i.e., from the can/pouch) - vanilla with overtones of honey , b) ambient/exhaled smoke - vanilla overtones remain colored by a sort of sweet and pleasant smell of honeyed woodchips (oak?).

FINISH (aftertaste): a fainter version of the exhale flavor lingering for a short while after cigarette is finished, no oiliness or bitterness.

STRENGH: a) thoroat sensation - smooth, diffused, barely noticeable, b) lungs sensation -light and diffused with moist tobacco, a bit more focused/sharp/concentrated when a cigarette has been out of the can for a day or more.

BURN RATE: slow to medium (depending on moisture)

*************
I also would find it very interesting if members of this group commented on how the tobaccos they explore combine with wine, coffee, cognac, bourbon or other beverages which, just as with cigars, are often accompanied by a cigarette. After all, wine is often discibed in terms of enhancing (or interacting in some positive way with) flavors of various foods, and I think something similar can be said about many of the tobaccos reviewed here.
Again, I don't pretend to have any special taste buds or verbal skills, but simply think that it would be more fun to treat fine tobaccos discussed here not just as a source of a nicotine fix, but at least in part as a 'gourmet' experience. If we do the best we can with words, eventually some consistent pictures of various tobaccos will emerge.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Criteria for evaluating tobacco: Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005
Stoker's #2 light

AROMA/FLAVOR: a) pre-burn (i.e., from the can/pouch) -

As our host points out, smells like plums.

FINISH (aftertaste):

They finish well.

STRENGH: a) thoroat sensation -

Pretty strong. I get a buzz in the morn.

BURN RATE: slow to medium (depending on moisture)

Slow. My b-i-l calls them mini-cigars.

I also would find it very interesting if members of this group commented on how the tobaccos they explore combine with wine, coffee, cognac, bourbon or other beverages which, just as with cigars, are often accompanied by a cigarette. After all, wine is often discibed in terms of enhancing (or interacting in some positive way with) flavors of various foods, and I think something similar can be said about many of the tobaccos reviewed here.

Great with morning coffee. Taste REALLY GOOD after multiple bud lights. hehe. I'll ask my wife about the Piesporter and Chablis. hehe
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

D&R Windsail Platnum; Ramback Gold;*****: Posted by Bob on Tuesday, 20-Sep-2005
Hi all- After about a week living with some of D&R's new blends I'am very happy with the quality of both blends & find the windsail platinum stuffed in a silver tip light or escort filter tubes a very mild, spicy, non burly ed! & almost reminds me a bit of Export 'a' (blue tub) & I think will replace one of my favorite everyday smokes-McClintock Virginia; when it is no longer available as according to Doug at- http://www.ryomagazine.com/tobacco.htm

I find that the escort tube is to much on the heavy side of the light tubes(for me)and have been using the silvertip light much more lately;
unless it is a very mild tobacco such as for the Ramback Gold that is also a very tasty blend of the Ramback blended with the windsail platnum that I find a nice balance of Turkish & Virginia as the straight Ramback is a bit to much for my liking & having it pre blended is sure a time saver
as I find it hard to get a uniform blending technique. Ramback is not your typical U.S.A. available smoke & is to me a treat to taste that which for years we have been denied after buying the 'ditch weed' of most if not all of of the pre mades we have been fed by the industrial complex. It is so nice to have so many various types of GOOD tobacco to choose from.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

MYO is Cheaper: Posted by Kurt Wall on Sunday, 01-May-2005
...duh, but I was curious how much less it cost. I kept a
tally of how many sticks I made with my last 14 oz. "pound"
of tobacco I purchased from D&R (S.J. Rimboche, which is
pricier than most SYO tobaccos). I made 421 sticks and
threw out about two ounces of shake that was too fine or
crumbly to stuff. So, here's the math:

Tobacco: $21.95
Tubes 421 @ ($0.0069 each): $2.91
Total Cost: $24.71
Cost/stick: $0.06

6 cents per cigarette. If I include the cost of the machine
(which is really a one time cost), it goes up to $0.17/stick:

Tobacco: $21.95
Tubes 421 @ ($0.0069 each): $2.91
Machine: $44.95
Total Cost: $69.81
Cost/stick: $0.17

Not too shoddy, eh?
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Roll, Learn, and Fight!

Posted by Michael J. McFadden on Saturday, 23-Apr-2005

Four recommendations for folks:

1) Particularly (though not exclusively) if you like unfiltered cigarettes consider a "roll your own" machine from Canada called the "V-Master". It rolls a 15" cig that you drop into a slot where it is then chopped into four or five normal ones. Rolls a pack in about 10 minutes or so. I used to smoke non-filtered Camels, Pall Malls, and English Ovals. Much happier now with $1/pack "Stokers # 2"

2) Become active. The Antismokers are hiding under your bed and will come up to get you in the middle of the night. OK... maybe not quite... but you WILL be targeted once the market becomes big enough. SYO and RYO people will be hit with the same taxes as regular cigs on the basis of "So many children are buying loose tobacco and rolling their own." Sounds stupid? So did the idea of a smoking ban in NYC. If you like smoking and believe in freedom learn about the lies upon which the Antismoking campaign is based (largely ones dealing with secondary smoke)and educate those around you. "Secondhand Smoke" as a health threat is a weapon invented by the Antis in the 1970s and used VERY effectively to combat smoking. Its scientific basis is virtually worthless. Visit my website below to see more.

3) Visit Jan Cascade's site at http://www.smokerstaxrevolt.com/ and get involved with fighting the MSA robbery.

4) Go to smokersclubinc.com and sign up for Samantha's free weekly emailed newsletter. She doesn't give out emails to ANYONE (LOL! Not even ME once when I asked her for some for what I felt was a good reason!) and her once weekly newsletter contains ALL the important information about attacks on smokers and how to fight them.

Together we can win back a reasonable set of rights and respect as citizens enjoying a legal product. Separately we'll be ostracized, "denormalized" (The Antis' favorite new term), and ultimately criminalized.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
http://cantiloper.tripod.com
http://smokersclubinc.com

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Roll, Learn, and Fight!: Posted by Tiffany on Sunday, 24-Jul-2005
So so glad to read this post, and meet another person who's in the fight for our freedom! I didn't read your essay yet, but will do so tomorrow! I wrote an essay for my Honours Logic class that totally blew my professor away! She's an anti, and a Logician, but couldn't say anything bad when faced with the facts! Making matters even more funny, this was the first asignment of the class, and I had never written anything using logic conventions before this paper. I'd post it somewhere, but it needs some editing.

Anyway, I too subscribe to the Smokersclub Inc newsletter. I also created my own group for those of us in or near New Jersey to talk and mingle. Basically, so we can get to know one another online, and hopefully, offline as well. I want us to exchange ideas and work out a strategy so that we don't get hit with a NYC-style ban!

Anyway, if anyone's interested or would like to join, the link is at
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/nj-smokers
Feel free to pass this on to any smokers or nonsmokers (of legal age of course) who will support this cause, and thanks.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

The future of tobacco

Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 29-Mar-2005

I have been educating myself on the anti-smoking movement and the recent on-line ordering fiasco. People in certain states are receiving bill for back taxes on cigarettes purchased over the internet. Some for the last several years with thousands of dollars owed. I posted the following at www.smokinglobby.com and felt obligated, due to my own statements, to repost it here.

I hate to be a doomsayer, but it seems I'm good at it.

First of all, these retailers are not, just, rolling over on us. Pursuant to the the Jenkins Act, which has been around longer than the internet, tobacco retailers are required by law to report all out-of-state, mail-order transaction details to the individual states to enable them to collect the proper taxes. Until now, this was not important enough to enforce. You'd be surprised by the number of unenforced laws laying around waiting for an opportune moment.

These taxes have always been due. Regardless if the retailer advertised them as tax free, or not. It is the consumers responsiblity to be aware of this, and to pay the taxes. As the saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

They will manage, some way, to shut down the reservation sales. These sales are, legally, the same as purchasing, duty-free from overseas. If you purchased more than X number of cartons per order, you will owe duty taxes, plus state taxes, on those extra cartons. Customs can probably compel the reservations to turn over their transaction information, due to the fact that, technically, these transactions are all imports from a foreign country, and customs has a legal right to know what is being imported. Expect your letters next.

MYO/SYO/RYO We, too, have been avoiding taxes. Although, not in the dollar amounts the premades buyers have. We can expect our letters sometime in the future, probably not until next year, and it won't be quite as painful when they arrive.

The forces behind this will not stop until they have thrown their weight around everywhere they are able. New taxes will be enacted to discourage MYO. New licensing structures will come about to discourage retailers from carrying MYO products. Just a regulation prohibiting the shipment of tobacco through the USPS, would put an end to MYO for many people without a nearby tobacco shop. It wouldn't even have to prohibit tobacco shipments, they just need to make it extremely inconvienent.

These are just the issues involving the acquisition of tobacco. The current issues involving the consumption of tobacco have been discussed at length on this site. If you haven't seen some of the proposed legislation, take a look at what's on the table in California.

http://www.californialung.org/thecenter/legislative/index.html

Over the next several years we can expect to see similar legislation being proposed all across the nation. Unless we can get organized into a cohesive force and lobby for our rights with enough power to make our voices of logic and reason be heard, over the din of lies and deceit, then we will be consigned to living as second-class citizens. Everyone on this forum needs to take action.

Write your Senators and Representatives, both State and Federal, tell them how you feel. Go to Forces.org and educate yourself and then educate others. Use that information in your letters to rationally explain that smoking is not a harm to anyone, but the smoker and even that is dubious. Write letters, write e-mails, sent faxes, everyday if we must. Let them know that a quarter of the population intend to make their voices heard. That majority rule only works as long as the minorities rights are not being violated. Post flyers, in places where other smokers frequent, with links to this website and other pro-smoking sites to enlist others into joining the fight.

We must realize that the current trends in our country are stripping away our rights, and this is a battle for our freedom. Now, more than anytime since, possibly, the red-scare of the fifties, our individual rights are truely evaporating. Not just our right to smoke, but many of our rights are being threatened by a government dominated by well-meaning people using moral justification to force their views upon an unwilling, but apathetic populace. We must take a stand, before it reaches the point that open revolt is the only way to reverse the tide. I really don't want to be a part of the Second American Revolution, do you?

The following sites explain how the anti-smoking movement is manipulating facts, figures, and our lives.

http://www.forces.org/
http://www.geocities.com/madmaxmcgarrity/
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/index.cfm
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/4061/Index.html
http://www.lcolby.com/
http://www.antibrains.com/

All these links contain links to many more sites. I urge you to explore them, read what they have to say, and then visit some anti-smoking sites to see which rings true.

http://www.smokefree.net/
http://www.ash.org/
http://www.thetruth.com/
http://www.no-smoke.org/
http://www.nicotinevictims.com/
http://www.lungusa.org/
http://www.smokefreekids.com/
http://smokingsides.com/docs/anti.html

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: The future of tobacco

Posted by Jennifer on Saturday, 28-May-2005

I was reading some of that stuff and its frightening. I agree that smokers need to do something about it. If things keep going the way they are, we will only be able to smoke in our own home or worse. The idea proposed by smokefree of having smoke free air is absurd. In major cities the smog is more a danger to your health than second hand smoke it. No one is forced to inhale second hand smoke. If they don't want to breath in my smoke, well they can move. Honestly though. If things keep going the way they are. It will only end up in a black market in tobacco products. And its conceivable that tobacco would be outlawed in the future. If that happens It's really not that far fetched to see illegal tobacco plantations in the future.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: The future of tobacco: Posted by Dominick Versetto on Sunday, 10-Sep-2006
Here's the best quote I've seen so far:

"All this talk of comparing our government to Nazis is unfair and a terrible exaggeration. After all, the Nazis never went as far as banning smoking in pubs! - Dougie"

I don't know who Dougie is, but I got the quote from the Illinois Smokers Club. [link]
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

I am confused...

Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 19-Mar-2005

OK, they (the ATF, Big Brother) say that the "majority" of tobacco sales over the internet are breaking one or more of several local, state, federal laws concerning taxes. Maybe I am simply dumb, but if this is true, especially with the reputable major online tobacco retailers, etc., such as D&R, AmericanThrust, L'il Brown, etc., then what are the specific laws being broken? If it is a state tax problem, that is not paying a state tax if you are buying from out of state, then there are literally thousands of other "legitimate" internet sales for just about any other product you can imagine doing the same thing and it is being done by the largest and most well known retailers to boot. Most of these sales are also done using credit cards, but this agreement doesn't target them and there is not, to my knowledge, any specific "agreement" with credit card companies to stop those sales.

Seems there might be a case for a large class action lawsuit if this action is ONLY targeted at one specific group of law abiding companies/customers.

Just a thought...

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: I am confused...

Posted by Dan on Sunday, 20-Mar-2005

Kerry said: "then there are literally thousands of other "legitimate" internet sales for just about any other product you can imagine doing the same thing and it is being done by the largest and most well known retailers to boot"

What gives? You are correct (very correct!) Even PayPal is in on this with the ATF. PayPal is an Ebay company...the largest online sales site ever! When was the last time anybody paid out-of-state tax on an Ebay item? Jezz, talk about BS.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: I am confused...

Posted by Kev on Sunday, 20-Mar-2005

They are citing the Jenkins Act. You are reponsible for your state sales tax on any cigarettes you purchase regardless of how they were purchased. Now, we aren't buying cigarettes, just bulk tobacco which is not taxed like a pack of cigarette at $1.50-$5.00 per pack depending upon state. Most online cigarette retailers have disclaimers stating you are responsible for your own state sales tax. The Indian retailers claim exemption since they are a sovereign nation per US treaties.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: I am confused...: Posted by Dave L on Sunday, 20-Mar-2005
I believe its state _tobacco_ tax. Some of us get a big tax break when we buy out of state because the excise tax on other tobacco products (OTP) is collected higher up on the chain. Cigarette tax (which can be more or less than OTP tax) is collected at the register, its a retail/sales tax. The OTP taxes are a business/excise tax paid by the wholesaler, distributor or retailer (depends on state and product origin) as a percentage of in state sales. If I live in a state with a high OTP tax, buying from a state that has a low OTP tax can save me a lot of money. Since its not a retail/sales tax, I don't see how the state could ask me for that tax. There's more money lost here than from sales tax (which we can be held accountable for) and I wouldn't be surprised if states with high OTP taxes figure out a way to collect that lost revenue. edited
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: I am confused...: Posted by John R. Marshall on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2005
From http://www.detnews.com/2005/politics/0503/10/A06-111778.htm

LANSING -- Michigan has billed more than 500 smokers for back taxes they avoided by purchasing cigarettes over a Web site.

Users of a dozen other tobacco Web sites also can expect bills as soon treasury assembles complete information about their purchases.

State officials are trying to avoid losing out on millions in tax revenue that Internet cigarette sellers failed to collect on behalf of the treasury department, said Treasurer Jay Rising. The state's cigarette tax is $2 a pack, one of the highest in the country. Follow the link for more.

I live on the Indiana Michigan border and when MI raised their taxes the state police started checking for tax stamps when the pulled you over for a "broken headlight" If you buy one pack to 15 cartons, it’s a misdemeanor.

Full story here
http://www.wndu.com/news/072004/news_36089.php

Luckily this does not effect SYO/RYO
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

What tastes good with Rizla Liquorice?

Posted by ikonoklast7 on Friday, 10-Sep-2004

Hello all.

The name's Dan, I'm a college student at Indiana University and in recent years have gotten into the RYO/SYO world and have fallen in love with it.

This is the only RYO/SYO forum I've ever found on the internet. I've tried googling for them many times, but with no luck, and just by chance I stumbled upon this website last night.

And here comes my first question to all you tobacco gurus out there...

I both roll and inject my own smokes (whatever my mood may dictate), and I recently discovered Rizla Liquorice papers.

So far, I've only tried a few tobaccos with them. I tried Zig-Zag Light with it, with a Job Filtres "S" filter rolled in and liked it, and I also tried it unfiltered with some Export 'A' which was also good.

Have any of you tried these papers and found a tobacco that really stood out when rolled in them?

For those of you who I haven't, I recommend trying them. Even if you don't like black liquorice (which I don't), I still think they're nice because they lend more of a sweetness rather than an explicit liquorice flavor. Good stuff!

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: What tastes good with Rizla Liquorice?

Posted by Stewy on Sunday, 12-Sep-2004

Hey Dan... I was googling for bali shag turkish blend, and for some reason your post popped up... wow I'm also at IU, and recently got into rolling my own. Sorry I don't have an answer to your question, but I just thought it was pretty cool that I found this post on here...

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: What tastes good with Rizla Liquorice?: Posted by ikonoklast7 on Sunday, 12-Sep-2004
Where you live at? I live over in Wright Quad. Shoot me an email sometime. I don't know any other RYO/SYO smokers around here (though I've tried to make converts, everyone seems to be too lazy to make their own smokes, lol).
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: What tastes good with Rizla Liquorice?: Posted by einsig on Sunday, 21-Nov-2004
On occasion I will roll up some D&R Ramback (absolutely incredible Turkish) into the Rizla Liquorice papers. Nice and smooth with a great aroma and flavor. Highly recommended.

I agree the liquorice papers just add a nice sweetness, not really a heavy flavoring of any kind. I have noticed the papers smoke/taste better when a little overstuffed. I have trouble hand rolling a really thick stick with these papers, but I use the IndoShag/Futurola roller seen here http://www.ryomagazine.com/winter2004/rollers.htm and it rolls perfectly overstuffed sticks. Many sites sell these rollers for ~$15-18 USD, but I found the Indo Shag one for a mere $1 at Lil Brown Smoke Shop!! They also have killer deals on bulk from Stokkebye if that is your thing (should be since it is one of the best RYO tobacco companies out there).

My everyday smoke is Stokkebye's Amsterdam Shag, but I usually prefer that in a nice slow burning paper, not the liquorice.
[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

can you help me find F&k bulk fine cut #2???

Posted by Bob on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2004

My first RYO online store I found when I started making my own was Rick's ryotobacco.com in Texas, once other RYO's started popping up & I REALLY started looking for the lowest prices & FOUND THEM I gravitated away from ryotobacco.com & others to ryocigarette.com & 'lil brown & GREATLY ENJOY SAVING THE MONEY! One tobacco I cant find elsware is Rick's 'houseblend#2' which is made in Germany & is labeled {F&K cigar Co. fine cut #2}on the last kilo I bought. After finding the better prices I have a hard time paying $25.95 per pound after I found all the other better deals on the same products as you can understand. I dont live near any of the retail outlets listed on the F&K site & wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction, Thanks

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: can you help me find F&k bulk fine cut #2???

Posted by D. on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2004

The F&K web site lists Lil' Brown as a retailer. You might ask Lil' Brown if they'll order it for you. It looks like F&K's stock number for their Fine Cut #2 is 42062.

If that doesn't work, you could try the same thing with any retailer, on-line or otherwise, of F&K products. It just requires a bit of cross-referencing. I found a couple more very quickly: www.marscigars.com and www.customblends.com.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: can you help me find F&k bulk fine cut #2???

Posted by Bob on Thursday, 15-Jul-2004

Thanks- I'll give it a try-we'll see if they go out of their way (a little) for a regular customer.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: can you help me find F&k bulk fine cut #2???

Posted by Bob on Friday, 23-Jul-2004

After two attempts I could not even get a reply from our beloved 'lil brown smoke shop on ordering a F&K bulk cigarette tobacco from F&K cigar CO. They ARE listed as a authorized retailer of F&K on their website, I'll still order from them but dissapointed they wont get a product they are able to order from a large man/distrib.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: can you help me find F&k bulk fine cut #2???: Posted by Tom on Saturday, 01-Oct-2005
Cascade Cigar in portland oregon has it and i believe you can buy it from them on the internet.
http://www.cascadecigar.com/index1.htm
it may not be list you will have to ask for it.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

1 OZ samples

Posted by Jennifer on Tuesday, 29-Jun-2004

[Re: Custom Blends samples] I have to agree on the sample sizes. The smoke shop I go to sell their bulk tobaccos (zen & pure & natural) in 1/2 OZ and 1 oz sizes. Its nice to be able to buy a small amount to try out and see if you like it.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Re: Samples

Posted by Dave L on Wednesday, 30-Jun-2004

I recently noticed that many of the tobaccos RYO Tobacco sells are available in 1oz. samples. Pouches are a great way to try out tobaccos but many tobaccos aren't available in pouches. It's nice to see online stores like Custom Blends, American Thrust and RYO Tobacco offering 1oz. samples.

At pouch/sample pricing, D&R's 3.5oz. cans are pretty expensive ($6-8) sampling.

[ reply | link ] to this. Go to [ top ]

Browse

Jun '04 - May '06

Comments [ new ]

Back to: Topics