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Filterless Tubes

All the crank machines can stuff filter-less tubes if the tube release is early enough. The Excel doesn't have an adjustable release and requires modification.

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Need some help
Posted by Sam on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005

I am looking for some advice for a MYO that has used excell filretless tubes and injected them with a full flavored tobacco for discriminating people. Old time smoker who smokes filterless premades would enjoy making his own needs advice on tobacco blends and the use of excell filterless tubes. Thanks a lot. Look forward to hearing from you
Thanks
Sam

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Re: Need some help
Posted by Dan on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005

I tried using excell filterless tubes with my Supermatic and was never satisfied with it so I went back to using a hand rolling machine. D&R Cockstrong blend makes a great old time smoke. My beloved zwares are no longer marketed,Gauloises being the most recent. If you like a true zware Charles Fairmorn Dark is the only one still available.

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Re: Need some help
Posted by Warren on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005

I use Excel filterlesss tubes with Top-o-Matic (the primary) and Suprematic Premier (backup) injectors. Both injectors work well, although Top-o-Matic is faster and maintance free. The Excel injector, which I bought to use for travel, oddly considering the name, doesn't work as well with nonfiltered tubes (even after applying the Dave's fix the other two still make much better nonfiltered sticks). You can check a thread on the new Top-o-matic injector, which I think is at present the best injector overall, here:

/Machines/The_Rest/342.html#comments

I got mine from Lil' Brown Smokeshack for $34:

https://www.lilbrown.com/index.cfm?productid=331

One bit to watch about the tubes is that Excel seems to have two widths with no markings on the box to tell you what is inside. The narrower ones are a bit slower to mount on the injector. I noticed that any given store sells boxes of one or the other kind. I found the wider ones are at: D&R ( http://www.cigarettetobacco.com/stuffy3.htm ) and RYO Cigarettes ( http://www.ryocigarette.com/tobacco.html ). Since I had 25 boxes of narrower tubes, I had to sand-off some of the diameter of the nozzle on the Top-o-Matic (as described in the top-o-matic thread).

As to tobaccos, prior to MYO, I smoked nonfiltered (or with filters snipped off) Camels, Winstons, Luckey Strike, Chesterfield, Players Navy Cut, English Ovals, settling finally for the nonfiltered Natural American Spirit for the last twelve years (NAS: /Tobacco/Brands/114.html ).

Since MYO I have been smoking NAS tobacco (original blend) with few a day of Gauloises ("mellow flavour", which is actually stronger of their two pouch tobacco blends), Black Death (/Tobacco/Brands/14.html ), Sagamore Natural ( /Tobacco/Brands/253.html ). The NAS/OB has the strongest kick and tastes especially well after a cigarette of the mentioned alternatives (this is not blending, but one pure kind after the other). The D&R Two Timer is similar to NAS/OB, except that it is milder, a trait I don't care for. Other variants of NAS (US grown and Organic) are also milder than NAS/OB.

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Re: Need some help
Posted by Tom on Tuesday, 25-Oct-2005

i have had better success with the excel injector than the supermatic. but i find that the excel filterless tube a pain in the #*%&, to get a flat tube on the rounded tip of the injector (square peg v/s round hole). i use the roller box and end up with a better smoke than i get with the injectors. plus if i have a tobacco that with too much tar i just roll it with a filter.

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Re: Need some help
Posted by tom on Tuesday, 15-Nov-2005

i have had better luck with the roller box. Rizla has worked well for me. trying to stuff excel tubes takes way too much time and the results are less quality than if I rolled my tobacco by hand.
as a bonus, i can use all the shake, dust or whatever you want to call it, from my bag, and roll it with a shag or rag cut tobacco and i end up not throwing any tobacco away. plus the shake or dust or whatever you call it, is from the better part of the leaf, it makes for a much better smoke!

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Supermatic and non-filter tubes
Posted by Andy on Monday, 09-May-2005

Anyone have any advice on this? I use an Excel, but I'm sending a "filter free" friend a machine and a box of Excel non-filter tubes. Per Sergio at RYOCigarette (he's right down the street from work!), he said the Supermatic was the only machine to use, that the Excel (which I love) won't do the job.

So I got one and am testing the machine before I send it. I set the selector to 100mm (the far left position) per his suggestion. I got some good smokes, but they're not as tight as the filtered ones I get off my Excel. There's enough tobacco on either end, but rolling it between my fingers, it feels a little loose. I'm following all advice and understuffing, especially since it's just out of the box, but I'm wondering if I could go with more in the center of the chamber to "tighten" these up.

Can not having a filter to bump up against during injection cause this? I made a filtered Vera Cruz with the selector at the far right and it seemed to be fine.

Any advice before I send this off?

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Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

Whoa, were you trying to stuff them twice, or did I misread that?

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Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
Posted by Thomas on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

nope, you didn't misread. I did try stuffing them twice with no luck.

that included filling the chamber to the absolute max. capacity, and underfilling. horrible experience when trying it with Athey

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Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

LOL. I have no doubt that it was a horrible experience. I didn't have any problem just stuffing them once on the 100's setting. When I make them, the tobacco always came just short of the 'filter' end. This allowed me to give it a little twist to keep the tobacco from getting into my mouth.

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Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

Just go ahead and put in more tobacco. If it starts to bind, stop and clean it out. On the older Premier's, the 100's setting is called 'plain end'. When I tried making filterless cigs, I found that the 100's setting was by far the best setting for making them.

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Supermatics with Non-Filtered Tubes
Posted by Kurt Wall on Thursday, 22-Apr-2004

Has anyone here tried using a Supermatic machine (either the Premier Supermatic or the Supermatic II) with non-filtered tubes? I introduced my dad to MYO and he loves the tobacco. I'd like to upgrade him from the hand-held injector to a one of the nicer machines. It just seems to me that the Supermatic line would overstuff those Excel non-filtered tubes. Perhaps one of the Excel machines would be a better fit for him?

Opinions or experience welcome!

Thanks,

Kurt

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Re: Supermatics with Non-Filtered Tubes
Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 23-Apr-2004

It just so happens that I bought a box of Excel tubes last week and hadn't had a chance to try them. So, after reading your post, I got a few out when I sat down to make me up some smokes. Now, the Premier Supermatic has three settings, A, B, & C. A. is for 100mm, B. for King Size filter, and C. for Regular Size filter. I personally have never see a Regular Size filter cigarette, much less a Regular Size filter tube, but, sharing you concern about over stuffing, that is where I started.

On setting C., the tobacco only filled about three-quarters of the tube. At this point, I decided to compare the Excel tube to a Premier light tube. Low and behold, the filterless tube was longer than the King Size tube, minus the length of the filter, of course.

I decided to go to the other extreme, and stuff one at the 100mm setting. On the A. setting, tobacco shot right out the other side. Smokable, but not the greatest.

The only thing left to try was the middle, King Size. This is just about as perfect as you're going to get. On the nozzle end of the tube you end up with a little less tobacco sticking out than you do when making filter kings, and on the other end it is almost exactly even with the end of the tube.

In summation, the Premier Supermatic does a fine job of making filterless cigarettes, using Excel tubes, when set on the King Size filter setting, and, from this, we can deduce that the Supermatic II should do a comparable job, because it only makes King Size filter cigarettes.

post script: On the Premier Supermatic, the label doesn't match where the settings actually are at. Start with the little handle all the way to the left, as far as it will go, and that is 100mm. Lift it up and move it one click to the right and you have King Size, on mine this is between 100mm and King Size on the label. One more click to the right and you will find the Regular setting, which is directly under the King Size on the label. Everything else to the right is wasted space, you will notice it doesn't lock in anywhere.

post post script: Sorry, I got a little verbose in this post.

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Re: Re: Supermatics with Non-Filtered Tubes
Posted by Kurt Wall on Friday, 23-Apr-2004

Thanks for for information! I'll keep this in mind come Christmas time...

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