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D&R's Ramback is a 100% Izmir Oriental tobacco blend (~$22 LB). Ramback Gold is a blend of Izmir Oriental and Virginia tobaccos (~$18 LB).

Jul '07: New Ramback Balkan reviews page.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by BigLebowski on Sunday, 30-Mar-2008

Is Ramback 100% pure Izmir tobacco? Interesting mention of the grade of Izmir used too, what sort of grade is it classified as?

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Ramback Quality
Posted by ADyer on Saturday, 29-Mar-2008

I have read of the problems Mark Ryan encountered (nothing specific mind) which caused him to have to change his supplier and thereby the quality of leaf in the Ramback blend suffered. I never tried this tobacco before this reported change in quality.

I am curious as to what the exact changes were. I understand that there are three different grades of Izmir leaf: AG, BG and KP (highest to lowest) and have read Doug Kennedy's piece on his website about the highest grade leaf and the problems in anybody getting hold of any. There are batches of the finest grade Izmir leaf, totalling 60,000 metric tons, for sale at $3 a pound! (a looot of money).

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I wonder if the grade of leaf went down in Ramback since the change?

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Re: Ramback Quality
Posted by ADyer on Saturday, 29-Mar-2008

Oops, haha I just noticed Mark's own post below! That answers my question. D'oh.

Sorry for my dozyness.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 20-Jan-2008

Has anyone noticed that Ramback is somewhat darker in color? I have been hesitant to post on this, but with this bag I've noticed the Ramback has been darker than I thought it was? A while back Kerry noticed a color change and a taste change; so I know it isn't impossible, and he uses Ramback like I do. I've also noticed it is harder to keep hydrated, and even when it feels hydrated enough, I end up with a bit more shake than usual after blending. Granted, It's Winter time here, and I have been vigilant with the Distilled Water, but the Ramback is being a tough customer this month. Last night while making one of my Ramback blends I noticed that crispness Ramback gets when it needs a drink, and I put a moistened sponge in a shot glass in the bag; which is what I do with all my tobaccos. An hour ago I checked it out, and pulled enough Ramback for a stick. Injected it in an Athey tube, and noticed I actually got a sensation on the inhale about half way through the smoke? That is how Ramback gets if it isn't kept hydrated! I've removed the shot-glass, and left the sponge, since I know that works; but has to be checked every couple hours or less to be sure not to over hydrate. Has anyone noticed Ramback is darker than usual? It is as dark as the Ramback in Doug Kennedy's video on blending over at RYO Magazine.
Capt Mike

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, 20-Jan-2008

Mike,

Despite what has been written about Ramback concerning moisture levels, I have always had trouble keeping it hydrated. As for the color, since I make large orders about every 6 months, changes could occur that I wouldn't be aware of for quite a while. I can say that it is much darker than the original, which is no longer available.

As I said in the post you refer to, the "original" Ramback is no more. Mark changed suppliers and the product changed way back then. I won't hesitate to post about such changes now, when I notice them. I was under the erroneous impression in the past that Mark would be true to his products. I have found that not to be true, at least with Ramback.

Yeah, I know I am going to get flack from this. So be it. The truth hurts.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by KL on Monday, 21-Jan-2008

Kerry said :
       " I was under the erroneous impression in the past that Mark would be true to his products. I have found that not to be true, at least with Ramback. "

I might just be ignorant, but
    You say that like you know Mark didn't have to change suppliers to keep the products best interest in mind, but did it anyways cause he doesn't care about being true to his products ?
Why would someone think anything like that ?
Why isn't it just as possible that the change had to be done for the better of the product ?
Are you saying that the original supplier was still offering the exact same Turkish at the same price or close to it and D&R dumped them anyways, for whatever reason, because being true to their products was/is a lower priority ?
Isn't that quite a stretch to come up with such a negative impression ?

    Just a little curious :)

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Re: Ramback
Posted by mark on Monday, 21-Jan-2008

after several years of trying to develop what was to my taste the perfect turkish tobacco blend in the late 1990s, we introduced the ramback blend in 2001. it took extensive effort and negotiation because most leaf dealers had abandoned the high end izmir tobaccos required for the taste and flavor i was seeking. our leaf supplier at the time was terrific (for a couple of years) until we we received a batch that was noticeably "off" from the original balance that i had spent years to develop. he explained that the crop year had changed and that the best turkish tobaccos were still employed in the blend but that annual crop variations (in more natural style blends like those used by d&r) were more evident because we did not use chemical flavorings to round out variability. (fyi, we sent that batch of ramback back to the leaf dealer). as some of our older customers may recall, we went without ramback for a couple of months as i struggled to locate another leaf dealer with premium izmir to duplicate the original character we had developed in the ramback blend (or eliminate the ramback blend completely). we cultivated a relationship with the best quality leaf dealer in the usa and after significant effort were able to duplicate the original ramback balance and flavor. as a small tobacco company, it can be difficult to get a big leaf dealer to work with our small production quantities. our relationship has evolved into a close friendship and they enjoy working with me because i am a fanatic about quality while most companies are only concerned about price. these events happened four to five years ago and we now work closely with this dealer (and they have made available to d&r the best tobaccos in the world). continuous effort and vigilance is required to maintain our high standards for quality and i did not want to let the ramback blend slip. the quality of the turkish leaf used in ramback today is superior to anything ever produced by any company. the simple reason is that we seek the best quality tobaccos and the cost is secondary (and yes our cost has gone up significantly). the turkish leaf is small, around the size of a quarter or fifty cent piece, and the best quality is yellowish brown with some green. the blend gets noticeably darker when moisture is applied. the turkish tobacco leaf is very fragile because of the small leaf size and is also very vulnerable to mold (unless you clobber it with preservatives). we would prefer to ship ramback at a higher moisture content to reduce breakage but a few years back we had a batch get moldy and that is just too stressful for a quality freak like me. we subsequently went with a lower moisture content trade-off rather than add the excessive preservatives to reduce the threat of mold. (we replace any tobacco that may have a problem with mold anyway). hope the historical perspective is not too academic but i thought some of you would be interested in actual events. false and misleading information hurts, the truth is often different than speculation. thank you to the majority of your readers for your support and encouragement. kl, please call to discuss more when you get the chance.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by KL on Monday, 21-Jan-2008

That is exactly why I said their must be a good reason for the change.
Why would someone think there wasn't ?   Then make an absolute statement saying that what they claimed was the truth and an indisputable fact ?

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Re: Ramback
Posted by KL on Monday, 21-Jan-2008

Mark:
I very much appreciate the historical perspective. Thank you very much and I'll talk to ya latter

kl

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 24-Jan-2008

Mark,

Please accept my apologies. If it weren't for D&R, I doubt I would have found a blend to satisfy. I don't know what comes over me and should not have made the statement the way I did.

I do miss the original Ramback. Although the new Ramback is a quality product, it is missing much of the character and flavor I fell in love with when I found the original.

Again, my apologies and thanks for your time and effort.

Sincerely,

Kerry

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 22-Jan-2008

Kerry,
The only time I have a problem with Ramback is when it's under--hydrated, but that flavor has been consistent ever since I've been getting it. Unfortunately for me, I didn't know about D&R in 2001, and had to smoke Bugler to get a taste of Turkish. I know temperature plays a part in hydration as well, and after removing the shot glass, my Ramback shaped right up! I don't understand how you can feel Mark hasn't been True Blue with Ramback? I already knew about him having to change leaf suppliers long ago because of a quality problem, so Mark's post isn't news to me, but I'm grateful to have a Tobacconist who is that particular about the product he's sending me! I've been smoking for 41 years, and I have never had tobaccos as good as D&R's! I really enjoy Ramback Balkan too, as a straight smoke as well as blended. I don't think your assessment of Mark's handling the problem with quality is fair! In fact it's quite a kick in the nuts for a Q.C. fanatic like Mark! I've had many conversations with Mark by phone, and e-mail, and know he is vary particular about all his blends, and has been since he opened his doors for business. Your still smoking Ramback, and I know from your past posts that you're kind of particular your self--like me. BTW, I knew from practice Ramback gets darker as it's moisture content goes up, which is what brought about my original question; since my Ramback was darker in color, and still needed some moisture to prevent breakage. Capt Mike

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Ramback
Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 27-Feb-2007

I don't know why anybody would smoke this stuff when PS Turkish export is available other than just pure loyalty to D&R. I'm on my third and last sample of it from American Thrust. I've tried to like it but it just tastes nasty to me

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Tuesday, 27-Feb-2007

Pure Turkish like Ramback is obviously an acquired taste; or maybe it's one of those things that you either love or hate, like anchovies or something. To me, there's nothing like 100% Turk Tobaccy, unadultered by anything else. PS Turkish is OK, but it isn't the Real Deal by any means.

That said, I couldn't (and don't) smoke Ramback regularly, but usually once a day at unwind time and whenever I want a treat.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by adam on Wednesday, 28-Feb-2007

have you tried it in different tubes. tube selection has a lot to do with taste i do like ramback but not all the time i also like it unfiltered as its so mild i use it in alot of my blends for that turkish kick it mellows out alot of robust blends and it doesnt take alot.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 26-Apr-2007

Besides my enjoyment of fine Turkish tobaccos, I continue to buy from D & R because of Mark Ryan's pure loyalty to me, and all his other customers! D & R is a business driven by pride of product--not profit margins! In todays business world D & R and other small tobacco businesses are our best choice for tobacco. I've been making my own smokes since early 1991 or so, and I haven't found anything anyplace that compares to D & R's fine tobaccos like, Ramback, Ramback Gold, Two Timer, 3 Sails, and Athey!
                              Capt'n

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 08-Feb-2007

I have learned allot about tobacco since I began reading and posting on this site, but I have yet to learn why I would wake up early in the morning, and after a smoke made with Ramback Gold, and a cup of coffee I'd blend up my own? A blend of 1,1,1, Ramback, Ramback Gold, and Two Timer? Here I am at 4:30 A.M. getting the scale fired up! Since there aren't any chemicals added to Ramback I can't blame the tobacco for causing my bout of inventiveness! The Look Out Milde Shag is on the shelf. Could it be the Columbian Coffee? Mike

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by mike c on Thursday, 08-Feb-2007

dear friend and fellow traveller of private paths, ....
I think I have the answer....reading your post I was wondering if you were putting coffee in your cigarette.....
now I am boggled as to if a smoke with Ramback pre-cursored your 3 equal parts mix, then exactly what a scale has to do with it all is beyond beyond...
and if Columbian coffee is a coded message for another of that countries "famous offferings"....there's the answer, and I haven't had that spirit here since 1978 or 1979 maybe...once you confirm I'll shoot you my address for a sample........otherwise the answer is very basic....you are not fully awake at all!!!   and BTW, now, I realized, Mike T. isn't you!!! attack of the expanding Michaels.    maybe we are all aspects of the Eternal Champion thrown together.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 08-Feb-2007

No, no coffee in my smokes. I just found myself weighing out one of my Ramback Blends again, and had an after thought about it! Maybe, I was looking for the Two Timer element? No coded messages here, and I understand your thoughts, and can't relate to Columbia's other offerings these days to be sure! That's all I'd need is a strained ankle from chasing Twinkie Trucks down the street! I was hoping no--one would get mixed up with all of us Mikes here, Capt.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 08-Feb-2007

When you find something that works very well, you stick with it. Variety is the spice of living, but it is always nice and, I think somewhat necessary, to have a stabilizing influence... so to speak.

Your blend is, as I think you know, very close to my own (equal parts Ramback, Windsail P, Two-Timer) and I haven't found anything I like better for an everyday smoke. Not to mention, it is very easy to blend it perfectly with my cheap ($1) kitchen scale.

The more I venture out and try new blends and sample blends I have found likable in the past, I always return to "my" blend. Like coming home. Like comfort food. It's just good!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 08-Feb-2007

I agree with you 100%! No mater how far I stray into the world of different blends--I always return to Ramback, and my blends made with Ramback. The only reason Windsail Platinum wasn't listed is that I am currently out of it! But still, by adding Ramback Gold to the formula with Two Timer works. I feel doubly bless'd so to speak, because all my D&R tobacco works great in the Quick Roller! The bonus comes after I have ran out of Ramback and Ramback Gold, and have gone a week or so without them--then my order arrives, and I know the Turkish Miracle has been bestowed on me again. It is always a joy to re--acquaint myself with my Ramback Blends! Mike

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Ramback Turkish (aroma mystery)
Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2006

there is no strangeness to the smell of my cup of Ramback. I took it to a friends last night and he agreed, just smells like good 'ol tobacco....I think we've got some differences going on here...no strange smell into the air either....
also, I got this list "refreshed", etc...bye

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by mike c on Monday, 11-Dec-2006

wow, MH, good to see you active here, and looks like you and I are on a "level" (notice it reads backwards and forwards, like star-rats, of which I am one)...but anyway, after all the tons of things I've smoked, the only thing that ever bothered my nose was those damned clove cigarettes (apologies to their fans)...I thought the Ramback smelled, tasted, and lingered just fine fine fine.....and BTW, I am currently using your technique on the Supermatic until the experts give me a reason not to, (I haven't figured out the left hand "bacco" loading, however) and I just got the machine as well....keep 'em comin'
ps- a kitchen and an office, jealous!!!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Major Havoc on Monday, 11-Dec-2006

Glad to see the "vertical" Supermatic method is working out for you. If they'd change the orientation of the label on the thing, then we'd all be freed from the pain. LOL

No, this Ramback has a definite pungency that I won't say is bad, but IMO, it doesn't lend itself to indoor smoking or a social setting. It's multiple levels above Pre-made smokes in terms of its smell and it's "hang time". Put it this way: I like it a lot, but I will be taking steps to make sure I don't smoke too many of them in my house. Further, I think if I was to plan on smoking one in anyone else's house, I'd need to bring a pack of Depends diapers for the homeowners to wear... they wouldn't be happy.

Actually, just smoked one while I was typing this and I'm freaking amazed at how obnoxious the smell is. That's the type of smoke that clings to everything and soaks in everywhere possible! Believe me... I'm a hard-core smoker... if it bugs me, then be assured that the rest of the free world will go completely batshi.t about it.

Not trying to overstate the fact (though maybe I did), but I'd be more comfortable smoking a clove in someone's house than I would Ramback.

I like it a lot, but I'll keep it outside.

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Re: Ramback Turkish (off topic)
Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2006

I didn't read the "header" of the thread....I have since realized it was not you that used "dirty socks" as a reference...now I see!!!!! also, can't stand the smoke particles piling up in the home, etc....BUT!!! I am real funny about this....I HATE HATE HATE the way the wind outside makes smokes burn faster...I just can't win....and regards to cigars! BLOW ME DOWN GOOD GOD NOT IN MY HOME!!!!
hehehe cheers and I can't see ever using Big Blue, Big Brown, or Big Black any other way than yours!!!

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Re: Ramback Turkish (off topic)
Posted by KL on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007

what is the "vertical" Supermatic method ??? sounds cool.

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Re: Ramback Turkish (off topic)
Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007

oh lord, a visit to the past where I was still shedding parts of the newbie skin...however if Supers and Tops have a fair tightness when compressing and preparing to load you might just (try a rotation) of the machine nozzle side at you and see what you think......I find it unnecessary with my setups now...if we speak of the same thing i named it the "Havoc method" as a result of a former poster.....

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by Major Havoc on Monday, 11-Dec-2006

Ha! If your dirty socks smell like this stuff, then you'd better take a good look at what you're putting into your system! :)

Nevertheless, the point's been made. Got my first cup of this stuff today. It's good, in fact, Very Good... but day-um, burning this stuff will get you comments from the neighbors.

PS Turkish Export has been my choice over the last few weeks, but this stuff beats it hands down for taste. Really nice flavor in Premier Light tube. Smooth taste, feels rich on the palate and in the lungs. No burn or harshness on the throat. Just cool smoke. Nice buzz factor too... you won't feel like chain smoking with this stuff.

But yes, it does stink up the joint very quickly. Smoked one an hour ago in the kitchen and the smell has now drifted into my office, some 40 feet away.

For what it's worth, "smelly socks" sort of works as a description, but I'd describe it as more like the smell of some of the more earthy Cuban cigars that I've happened to be exposed to. (funny, but I've described a lot of cigars as smelling like socks... go figure!)

Pungent!

Because of that, I have to say this isn't something for interior use, which is a shame. You'll stink your house up fast, and you'll probably get some dirty looks in the bar, if you're lucky enough to be able to light up. Save it for the garage or outdoor activities, and enjoy!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Mike C on Monday, 07-Oct-2019

I'm trying to get Kerry to send me a sample of her dirty panties, I will smoke it and probably find it smoother than Ramback Ass - the new D & R blend

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Ramback
Posted by allfluecured on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2006

I tried it and I am very disappointed. While there is no impact on inhale, it leaves an uncomfortable sensation on exhale. The smoke is not clean and gives a bad throat later on.

I am sorry but I have to say if you want to go with Ramback, you'd better go with some good pre-made cigarettes.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2006

There isn't a premade available on the American Market as good as Ramback as far as true Turkish is concerned; there isn't even loose tobacco as good--believe me, I've looked, having been in Turkey for an extended period a few years back and having had the chance to try the many varieties/blends straight from the horse's mouth as it were.

Real Turkish isn't for everyone, to be sure...it's like high grade single malt scotch. You either love it or hate it--there isn't much middle ground. :-)

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by scott johnson on Friday, 15-Sep-2006

I just got a sample of this from american thrust. i was very disapointed. very mild flavor! no throat/lung sensation at all, very little near the end of the stick. i could feel a slight "buzz" after smoking it, maybe it's high in nicotine, low in flavor.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 15-Sep-2006

That's pretty much the way true, high quality Turkish (which Ramback is) tastes, as it were...extremely mild and yet very potent. Kinda like Turkish coffee; don't let tose tiny little cups fool ya--the coffee is smooth and tasty, but you'll be up for days. :-)

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Karen on Thursday, 21-Sep-2006

Aah, I agree. Turkish tobacco is a thing of beauty. Seductively smooth to inhale, and wonderfully warm and spicy to exhale. The best legal buzz one can get, maybe?? I smoke primarly Ramback( straight, of course), once or twice a day as a treat, and I love it. Definitely different than domestic tobacco(too harsh for my tastes)--lighter in color, some shreds even greenish. Good stuff. I just received a 3.5 oz tub of D&R's new Sigaro blend--good stuff, too. Fragrant and slightly sweet. Recommended for those looking for something different.

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Is it just me? Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2006

This message is directed at long time Ramback smokers and long time D&R customers.

Although my first several bags of Ramback were VERY dry and nearly shake from the top of the bag to the bottom, I liked the taste of Ramback from the start.

Now, at least a year, I have not found it to be nearly as satisfying in taste. I haven't experienced the warmth of the exhale (noted in RYOmag and I think on this site) that I first fell in love with.

Not only that, I have found that my "daily blend" of equal parts Ramback, Two-Timer and Windsail Platinum isn't nearly as satisfying as it once was. Perhaps the WSP or TT is at fault here? But I have only really noticed the difference in the Ramback.

Maybe it is just me, but this is not an ocassional thing. I have been noticing a decline in the taste of the Ramback (at least) for quite a while now. At least a year.

Oh well, it may just be me, but I would like to hear from other long term Ramback smokers and long term D&R customers.

Some will understand why I have hesitated to post this for so long. Others will not. So be it.

Thanks,
Kerry

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish
Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 09-Sep-2006

Is the Ramback quality declining or have you been smoking it every day? I notice flavors and subtleties the most after not smoking a blend for a while. There's not many days where I only smoke one brand and I seldom smoke the same brand for more than a few days.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 09-Sep-2006

Although Ramback is a component of my every day blend, it is rare that I smoke Ramback by itself.

It is when I smoke it alone that I notice the difference, especially on the exhale. I have noticed it for long enough to believe it is the Ramback that has changed. Of course, it still could be me.

The change has been subtle, but I believe it is there. Then again, it still could just be me. All I can really say is that the Ramback I get now does not have the same character and quality which I first fell in love with 2 years ago.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R Quality in General)
Posted by Mike on Friday, 03-Nov-2006

Kerry, I've been blending D&R tobaccos for about a year and a half, and Ramback has always been a component. I haven't noticed a change in the 'smoothness' of the leaf.

Maybe the change you've noticed is because of the concentration of shake (let's say bits of tobacco no more than 16 point typeface size). A cigarette with 25% shake can definitely be harsh.

BTW, because of D&R's packaging approach to its 14 oz product (all the air is sucked out - separating it breaks ALOT of tobacco), I have changed how I order D&R - I only order the 3.5 oz tubs - minimal shake, great quality tobacco (possibly better). Cost for a case (12 cans) range from approx 59.40/case (e.g. Rowland Light) to 71.40/case (e.g Ramback).

ALL D&R 14 oz packages in my last 14 oz package order had a significant shake amount. I decided to buy the 3.5 oz when I sifted all packages in my order(using a sieve with 1/8 inch holes). Found that Ramback had over 100 grams shake, Cockstrong over 90 gms, Vengeur Platinum over 125 gms, Rowland Light over 115 gms. (I weighed the shake on a digital scale with a plus/minus .1 gram tolerance and, of course, subtracted the weight of the container - TARE function.)

Note that Ramback at $71.40 for a 12 tub (3.5oz) case costs $1.70 per oz. Assuming at least a 25% concentration of shake in a Ramback 14 oz package, and assuming you separate the shake from the 'leaf', the cost per oz of leaf is $1.80 (18.95/10.5). That's not counting the shipping, which adds on 20% to orders shipped to the state of Washington!!!

Though I really, really like D&R tobacco as well as their wonderful sense of customer service (they usually throw in a surprise product with large order), have to say I'll probably try Peter Stokkebye's 10.6 oz cans (e.g. Turkish Export, Danish Export, et al) for $14.05 / can at L'il Brown's - only a 7.00 flat fee shipping to boot.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R Quality in General)
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 03-Nov-2006

Excellent points, Mike. I've never been a big fan of the bag approach to bulk tobacco, regardless of the supplier--and truly wish D&R would either change from the vacuum pack bags to tins or at least make it an option. I would gladly pay an extra buck for the sturdier container....

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R Quality in General)
Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 04-Nov-2006

I'm not so sure that the "bag approach" is the problem.

Although I have posted messages about the semantics and obvuscation used in D&R's description of their additives to their tobacco, I do believe that they use less casings and in some cases less flavorings in their tobacco.

Less casings means less stable tobacco when it comes to humidity or hydration. The tobaccos that come in the 10.6 oz cans are, IMHO, more casing and flavoring than tobacco when it comes to the flavor and consistency. I am talking about Stokkebye and Bali in particular.

I think the heavy casing is the reason why these canned tobaccos may have less shake and not the packaging. The vacuum packing might have something to do with the shake though. In the past I used some lower quality tobaccos which were bagged, but not vacuum packed and they had very little shake. I can't say how much casing these brands had though.

Under hydrated tobacco becomes very brittle = more shake especially when blending. Overly hydrated tobacco has its problems as well, but slightly over hydrating tobacco for storage and blending does wonders for keeping the shake to a minimum.


In any case, I don't think going to a canned product would do much more than raise the price of D&R tobacco. So I wouldn't want that. As I said, I don't think shake is the problem in my case.

Careful attention to handling and hydration is the key!

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R Quality in General)
Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 04-Nov-2006

I just did a little review of my messages on this site and found one that I think has something to do with the change in Ramback.

The message title was: "P.S. Ramback temporarily out of stock" posted by me and dated March 10, 2005.

I was still ordering my Ramback from American Thrust at that time, but soon started ordering directly from D&R for all of my D&R tobaccos. Windsail, Two-timer and Ramback.

It was about the same time that I noticed the change in Ramback. The change was subtle, but now I am sure it isn't/wasn't just me.

Something changed in Ramback after this "out of stock" period at D&R. I am sure of it.

Even if nobody else noticed it, I am sure the blend changed.

I don't consider myself an expert or anything close, but my taste buds didn't change over night. The tobacco did.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, 28-Oct-2007

I talked to Mark Ryan on the phone a little while back and found out that there was a change in the product. I can't quote anything, except to say that he wasn't satisfied, at some point, with the product that was being supplied to him.

The current Ramback is not the same Ramback as the original. I still use it and like it, but it is definitely NOT the original Ramback and I miss that product. I also would have liked to have been told about the change up front.

One thing I was surprised to find out was that D&R does not cut their own tobacco. It comes to them already processed.

I also could not get Mark to say that there are NO ADDITIVES. He did say that all they (D&R) add is distilled water when necessary, but since they don't cut their own tobacco I can't say what is actually added before D&R gets the product.

That said, I do still think D&R tobacco is among the best available to SYO enthusiasts. However, I think the marketing BS of the products could and should be more clear and less obfuscating. In my own opinion, it can only be a positive for D&R and their customers to be completely open, honest and upfront.

Sorry Mark, but I had to say it. Still friends I hope?

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, 28-Oct-2007

As usual, I can't seem to get any post I make complete without a P.S. or follow-up...

After this: "I can't quote anything, except to say that he wasn't satisfied, at some point, with the product that was being supplied to him.",

I meant to also say that Mark switched suppliers for Ramback. That is why I say the current Ramback product is definitely not the same as the original Ramback product.

Also, my talk and emails with Mark made me consider him to be a friend. I won't tell a friend "what they want to hear" for friendships sake. I depend on my friends to be honest with me and I am honest with them, even when it hurts.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 28-Oct-2007

Kerry, I've had many conversations with Mark about Ramback. For me, discovering Ramback was like finding the "Holy Grail" of Turkish tobaccos. Then came Ramback Balkan, and I was fortunate enough to sample the raw component tobaccos separately. I too consider Mark a friend whom I can tell what I think, and he responds in kind answering most of my questions to my satisfaction. Don't worry about quoting so long as the facts are straight (additional posts). I haven't noticed any changes in Ramback except the bag? Capt Mike

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R
Posted by Kerry on Monday, 29-Oct-2007

Read this entire thread. I say when the change happened. I actually noticed it right away, but didn't post about it for about a year. The tobacco changed when he switched suppliers.

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Re: Is it just me? Ramback Turkish Quality (D&R Quality in General)
Posted by Kerry on Friday, 03-Nov-2006

I don't think shake is the problem. I am careful to keep the Ramback well hydrated to minimize shake. The smaller leaf of the tobacco used in Ramback already makes it a shorter cut tobacco. I have also noticed that, aside from what has been posted here and other places, Ramback is quite brittle unless it is kept very well hydrated. I have never had a problem stuffing Ramback straight at the highest hydration levels even when the Two-Timer and Windsail Platinum would jam the machine at the same levels.

I think because of my extreme care in keeping my tobacco well hydrated during storage and careful handling, I get very little shake unless I get a bag that is extremely dry from the start.

In any case, I just don't get the same sensation of "warmth" on exhale that I did when I first tried Ramback. I still like it and can't imagine my blend without it, but it just doesn't seem the same.

As I said before, it could just be me, but this has been something I have noticed for quite a while.

Thanks for the reply.

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by Robert on Sunday, 03-Sep-2006

I believe Ramback Gold deserves its own spot! The Ramback has gotten a bad name because its so unique-I was a McClintock Virginia fan(atic) & when I found out it was going out of production I was leveled! what would I do without the orange can? NOT TO FEAR-D&R IS NEAR! I cant take Ramback straight BUT when mixed it adds such a great flavor of Turkish.
The Ramback Gold tames the Turkish to a camel of old flavor that each MYO/RYO deserves a taste of. Now I just look at all the orange cans of Mc Virginia & figure "oh well-I can mix it in with the Ramback gold!"

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 09-Nov-2006

I agree about the ramback gold. A really tasty smoke!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2006

I've been RYO/MYO since 1992. As a Camel smoker who enjoyed that one of a kind taist, I started off with Bugler and continued to smoke it for years. Back then, you had to clean the tobacco to get out bits of foil, wood slivers, and pieces of minced tobacco sheet that I guessed to be some sort of barrel liner. Over the years I noticed the quality of Bugler improve. But, I wanted to smoke that elusive Turkish! I wasn't happy with any of the other brands like Top, Zig Zag and the others, and my blending consisted of 1/2 can of Kite with one can Bugler; which made a welcome devirsion now and then.
    Then, last month I did a web serch for Turkish tobacco, and found Ramback! I wanted a true-all Turkish tobacco with nothing added! I couldn't believe how satisfying Ramback is, and I was discovering its neuaunce over a weeks time. I use a    Premier Supermatic 2, and it tubes Ramback effortlessly! When I feel the desire to smoke Turkish Ovals, I use Excel non-filter tubes, then put the finished smokes in a soft pack--then into my back pocket where my fat ass make the transformation ala Turkish Ovals!
    Being hard to lite is a small price to pay for this quality tobacco from D&R. And until I find another Turkish that is better, Ramback is my brand!

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by SteRooke on Monday, 06-Mar-2006

What is the best blend of Ramback and Windsail Platinum to keep maximum Ramback flavour without too much of the virginia tainting the Turkish flavour?

I want to know whether it would be best to simply buy Ramback Gold or the two seperate to blend. maybe a 2:1 blend Ramback to WP respectively?

One more question for anyone who can answer, are there any other good flavourful but smooth tobaccos to add a touch of to that kind of blend (above) which work well? Just a touch more complexity in flavour and body. I was thinking, when I get some, I would try a touch of Gauloises in the blend or the D&R Two Timer?

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Bob on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2006

Hi-Glad to see another fan of Ramback as we seem to be in the minority here! I'am very happy with the D&R Ramback Gold mixture & as Doug at
http://www.ryomagazine.com/tobacco.htm
states its 40% Virginia & "...Done by hand, one rarely achieves a perfect mix. Done by a machine, with the infinite patience machines have over us, the blend is uniform..." He's right! If I had my way blah blah... I may have gone 'a bit' heavier on the Ramback but so it is & I would rather not take the time to blend my own percentages than have it ready to go out of the bag. I have settled on Ramback Gold as my everyday because McClintock Virginia is going away & even though I have MANY cans of it put away I'am sure glad D&R is there. I cant comment on the 2nd part of your question.      

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 19-Aug-2006

I've found the perfect means with which to enjoy Ramback. I use Excel Non-Filtered tubes; with a Top-O-Matic set to inject Regulars. The Excel Tubes fit very loosely on the TOM's nipple and are over-sized but perfect non-filtered regulars! Smoking Ramback in these tubes is a satisfying smoke; which reveals all the subtleties of the tobacco. Ramback has to be one of the most versatile tobaccos around! I also use it to tame other tobaccos I try that are harsh or just need something. I find I am enjoying blending my own tobacco more these days. There's no end to the possibilities now that good, high quality tobaccos are obtainable at a reasonable price.      

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Steve on Monday, 09-Oct-2006

You mention you smoke Gitanes Mais... do they even make these anymore? Though I'm in the USA, I can't find these things anywhere online! Where do you get them? Thanks.

Steve

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 02-Nov-2006

I've settled on 14 Grams Ramback,7 Grams Windsail Platinum, and 7 Grams Two Timer. This makes a fine blend, and the Turkish makes itself pleasantly known. Of coarse I enjoy Ramback straight as well as the others when I get the urge. I haven't tried Ramback Gold yet preferring to blend my own; but I may try it this month--based on what others here have said about it.
                                                 Mike

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by KL on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007

I asked myself that same question a few weeks ago and tried about 3 different things and settled on Vengeur Light as the 3rd tobacco to blend in with Ramback and Windsail Plat. It adds a nice sweet and nutty element to the blend and it's also great with two timer thrown in there too

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Dan the littledog on Sunday, 18-Dec-2005

This is a good turkish for blending. To weak in nicotine and body. One dimentional with less than adequate burning properties on it's own.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by James on Sunday, 18-Dec-2005

You should really try the Ramback Gold, quite a nice blend of the turkish with Virginia gold. Very tasty.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Matt on Monday, 19-Dec-2005

I agree about Ramback Gold...made me wonder why I wasted all that time smoking Bugler. (Don't be frightened by the Bugler comparison.) Try Ramback Gold and you'll see what a true turkish/American blend really is.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by James on Monday, 19-Dec-2005

I forgot to mention, for me at least a Ramback gold after a shot of vodka tastes like Frangelica (hazelnut liquor), even tastier.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Dan the littledog on Tuesday, 20-Dec-2005

You talked me into that pretty easily. After the New Year I will for sure.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Jeff on Saturday, 09-Apr-2005

I agree, it smells just like dirty socks, and is also very light.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kev on Wednesday, 08-Jun-2005

Same here though I guess I've never tried Turkish before. Looks like seaweed and smells awful. I was banned by my smoking wife from burning these in the house. It's easy to stuff but the flavor doesn't agree with me. I've tried smoking four tubes in three days. If you like Turkish, give it a try. If you've never had Turkish, be prepared for something completely different.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 09-Jun-2005

It should be noted that this is not a typical Turkish (related). While I don't care for the Ramback, Bali Shag Turkish and PS Turkish are a couple of my favorite tobaccos.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kev on Thursday, 09-Jun-2005

Yes, I overlooked your earlier comments on Turkish. I'll have to give them a try before I group all Turkish tobaccos based on one blend.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Friday, 10-Jun-2005

Keep in mind that all the other "turkish" tobaccos are blends of turkish and other tobacco's, most commonly virginia.

Ramback is a blend of %100 percent turkish, so it may need to be blended with other tobaccos as well to suit your taste.

One popular tobacco to blend Ramback with is D&R's Penhooker, but I find the larger cut of Penhooker harder to make a homogenous blend with the finer cut Ramback.

My favorite blend is a 1-1-1 blend of Ramback, Windsail and Two-Timer. The cuts of Windsail and Two-Timer are closer to that of Ramback, so I find I can get them to blend much more evenly with little effort and the taste, to me, is similar to Bali Shag Red. Probably close to Bali Shag Turkish, but I have never tried it, yet.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by dan on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005

I tried the 1-1-1 blend of Ramback, Windsail and Two-Timer.
And I thought it was pretty good.I have been stuffing for a couple months now and I really can't see going back to buying premades. One thing though I haven't really settled on one type of tobacco. I thought it was going be Penhooker Light but I just got my order of Rowland Light, Windsail Platinum and Two Timer Gold all of them are Pretty good.In fact I liked almost everything I've tried from D&R, I wasn't crazy about the Three Sails it was a little too harsh for me. and The Ramback worked real nice in the blend but I can't see smoking it straight. It's funny when I smoked premades I smoked one brand and if the store was out of them, I had a fall back smoke. But with all the different types of tobacco available I might never settle on one brand.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Friday, 07-Oct-2005

Glad you tried the blend I suggested. I too found it hard to settle on just one blend or brand in the beginning and for quite a while I kept several different tobaccos on hand just for the variety. Something to be said for the variety!

The one real constant I have had, since I found it, is Ramback. It has always been part of any of my personal blends since then. After blending many tobaccos many ways, I finally hit on the 1-1-1 blend you tried and found it satisfying enough to be my everyday smoke. I still like some variety, but as long as I have my regular blend I am fine. One thing that surprised me was that I found that I missed the Two-Timer when it wasn't in the mix. I never really cared for the burley flavor until Two-Timer. Now, it has become a critical component of my everyday blend. I want to try the Windsail Platinum, but just don't have the funds right now and still have 3 14 oz bags each of my everyday blend.

As for D&R, as my taste buds have become more "educated", I think they probably have either one or a blend of 2 or more of their tobaccos that will satisfy most peoples tastes. Best quality tobacco I have found at any price. Many with no added flavorings or casings. Quite a plus in my mind!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by JD on Sunday, 13-Nov-2005

Man, I gotta admit to having become a full-fledge Ramback lover. Nothing like a nice after dinner espresso and a straight stick of Ramback!

I recently bought a bag of Penhooker light and didn't particularly care for its twang and seemingly hotter burn after awhile. I tried mixing it with Windsail Platinum, but that didn't quite get the nut. A 60/40 blend of PH light and Ramback, however, mellowed out the Penhooker light amazingly well (and caused it to burn much slower--a king stick of that blend burns about 9 minutes or so).

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Racoonster on Sunday, 20-Nov-2005

I have been SYOing for probably 10 years now. I have cabinet just for rolling tobacco tobacco, and it contains 30 different tobaccos, easily. I have purchased and tried almost every blend/brand available over the Internet, and two more I found in Panama, in a duty free shop. If it is possible (and tell me if it is) I'd like to get brands that are only available in Europe and Middle east, too.

I still don't have that "One Brand". I may get on a kick where I have a preferred "regular duty" flavor, one that I am likely to carry in my pocket and smoke the way I used to smoke pre-made. I normally have 2 or 3 blends in a "smoky" divided box, though, so that I can smoke according to what I am in the mood for at that time. So I guess at any one time I have 3 preferred smokes. I also will have several "special" cigarettes during the evening, whatever strikes my fancy at any given moment.

I think this is a good way to be. Works for me.

I started back to SYO because I was missing TASTE. One of the tastes I missed was "Ramses II (or III??)" and Turkish Ovals. These where made with mostly (or all?) Real Turkish tobacco, and were flat oval shaped, non filtered, long burning and had a unique and excellent flavor. They came in flat hard boxes, like some Dunhills, and I got them mostly in the late 70's (when I was too young legally) at "Smoke Shops" in the malls, when cigarette smoking was popular and accepted (Evening Network News had anchors smoking like chimneys).

I knew the only way I would ever taste that again was to make it myself. After years and many brands, D&R came out with the closest thing that had a good bit of "that taste" to it. But by itself, it burns too cool, and too mild, (when properly hydrated) and still wasn't complete. Perhaps it is not made to smoke by itself. With other brands/blends as an additive, this is a true gift. I try to get a 3.5oz can every few months.

The other "Turkish" like Stokebye's T. Export, Bali's T. Shag, and Amico's Golden Turkish Blends do not have the Turkish taste to me. Not that they aren't good, though. But try them with some "real" Turkish like Ramback added.

Also, D&R sells a Ramback/Windsail Platinum mix that they call Ramback Gold. I haven't tried it, as I just add my own flue cured gold leaf if I wish. I'd be willing to bet it is good though. The Windsail Platinum is an excellent flue cured Gold Leaf, btw. So if you don't want to buy them separate, and mix your own, this MAY be the Turkish for you.

Anyone else know the taste I am looking for? It might be the same as 60's Camels. There also may be other Turkish blends I've not tried or heard of yet.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, 20-Nov-2005

I think at least one of the "flat oval" smokes you are talking about was Nat Sherman's Turkish Ovals. Sorry to say that they no longer make them. As the NS smokes were rather expensive even back then, I normally smoked Camels, all varieties; unfiltered, filtered and lights. The Turkish Ovals were something I considered a treat and still would if they were available and as good as back then.

As for re-creating the taste, good luck. Ramback is a good start, but as you already noted, it is not the same and does not burn well alone. I used to keep my smoky case supplied with 3 or more different smokes, but now have a "regular everyday" blend I like very much. Not the turkish ovals of old, but satisfying enough to call it my daily blend.

My blend is similar to what you mentioned, but I also add Two-Timer. I tried the mix without it and always missed it. My blend is essentially 1-1-1 Ramback, Windsail (haven't tried the platinum Windsail yet) and Two-Timer. As I blend less than a carton's worth at a time, the blend will vary slightly. Also, I don't have scales, so the Ramback seems to run out more quickly than the other 2. I think this is because of the cut and consistency of Ramback.

I try to keep all 3 well hydrated until after blending which I do in a 2 gallon "Tupperware" type container. This keep the shake down to a minimum.

To each his own and if you find anything that comes truly close to the Nat Sherman's Turkish ovals, let me know!

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by AusD on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2006

I can't tell you the blend which tastes like those old cigarettes, however you should try blending the Ramback and Windsail Platinum in more a 70:30 blend respectively and then add 10% Gauloises original flavour to that. It adds a really slight zest of that traditional Gauloises depth and robustness and spice to the palette. Only slight mind so as not to overpower in any way the Turkish flavour. Making it a 70:30 blend with the WP helps release more of the flavour with the hotter burning Virginia but keeps that little touch more Turkish flavour.

Overall it's like smoking Ramback which burns a little better and has a slight touch more depth and spice on the palette. You can, of course, tweak this blend to your own taste. I can also recommend instead of the Gauloises for a similar twist but a slightly different nuance in flavour, use Stokkebye Amsterdam Shag halfzware. The above blend with Gauloises is my regular smoke in Vera Cruz Nocturn tubes. :-)

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Superstarov on Wednesday, 16-Feb-2005

I smoked Camel Filters religiously, and wanted to try MYO. My local tobacco shop had no idea how to attain turkish, and I bought something else. It was not very good, so I ended up mixing it with a little pipe tobacco. When my Ramback arrived, I was eager. Initially I mixed it with the shwag I had bought before. But once the shwag was gone, I went straight Ramback, and will never go back. It is the smoothest smoke I have ever had. No burning in the back of your throat.
Many of my friends are also Camel smokers, and many of them are now going to switch to Ramback.
A few nights ago I was out with friends and smoked a couple of Camel Filters, and was disgusted. They also gave me a headache.
It is true that the consistancy of this tabacco is different than I expected, but it smokes just fine. A great buy, and a great smoke too. Props to RYO Magazine for the recomendation.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kurt Wall on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2005

I haven't noticed it being dry or to have a "shake" consistency. I've ordered 5 or 6 pounds of the stuff. My father has ordered more than that, and I haven't heard from him that he's had such an experience, either. Perhaps you should simply contact D&R and tell them what's happened. I'm sure they'll try to make it right.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005

Just for reference, how would you describe the cut of Ramback?

Maybe I have simply gotten 6 pounds from the bottom of the lot?

Yes, I ordered one pound and liked the taste, but not the consistency of the cut and the dryness. I ordered 5 more pounds (to cut down on shipping costs) direct from D&R and all 5 pounds are nearly as dry as dust and the cut is nearly shake even at the top of every bag.

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Update Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 10-Mar-2005

I finally got a bag of Ramback which was as it is supposed to be. I noticed that it was vacuum sealed and the previous bags which were dry as dust and nearly powder had lost that seal or were never sealed.

I now know what Ramback is SUPPOSED to be like as far as cut and consistency. Unfortunately, D&R listed Ramback as "temporarily out of stock" and there have been posted on this site suggesting "new" blends of several established D&R tobaccos including Ramback.

This makes me wonder if the "new" blends will be replacing the ones we are used to or will they be in addition to the old established ones? I think I'll email Mark Ryan and try to get the skinny on all this. I would hate to lose the Ramback I now use as my standard smoke and blender.

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Re: Update Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by sponnie on Friday, 11-Mar-2005

Original Ramback will still be available. I'm guessing Ramback Gold will be Ramback with Virginia tobacco added. The leaflet I got had all the existing blends listed as well as the new ones I talked about.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Slack on Monday, 27-Sep-2004

I had some vague memories of the taste of turkish tobacco from camel cigarettes of a long time ago, and I was so pleased to discover this tobacco. So far it's enhanced almost everything I've blended it with. Great flavor but not harsh at all a "real tobacco" taste that's difficult to describe but easy to enjoy. Smoked straight the odor is a bit off putting to some but blended it's a very nice change from ordinary. I'd suggest to anyone who's curious pick up the small plastic can from D and R and try it. I can see where it might not be to everyone's taste but to anyone looking for "The way cigarettes used to taste" it's worth a check.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Chris on Sunday, 20-Jun-2004

Ramback is, at least in my opinion, the BEST RYO/MYO tobacco I have had. It has a wonderfully flavourful, aromatic, true Turkish character that I haven't experienced in years, since Turkish Special cigarettes ceased to be available in my area. I prefer smoking it straight, most of the time, because blending dilutes the glorious Turkish tobacco. I tried the Bali Turkish Shag, and was quite disappointed that it had none of the distinctive Yenidje Turkish character of the Ramback (or of Turkish Special cigarettes, which are VERY different from Turkish Special MYO tobacco).

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 26-Sep-2003

I am very disappointed in the Ramsback Turkish, so far. I had been blending my cigarettes with 1/8 Bali Shag Turkish, but unable to find it in a tin locally I thought I'd try the Ramsback as an alternative. The flavor is much different and much stronger. Even at only 1/8 strength, it overpowers the cigarette with it's flavor. The tub I bought, 3.5 oz. plastic, seems very dry. I going to try and get some moisture back into to it and see if that makes a difference

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Ramback Turkish
Posted by Bob on Tuesday, 30-Sep-2003

YES-Turkish is truely 'different' from what we as consumers of modern offerings from the large pre made cigarettes of the last 20-30 years are use to. I to after reading reviews of Ramback could not get it fast enough & when I did I hand rolled & tubed one (full strength) & lit up the filtered one first & wondered while inhaling what the big deal was-upon exhaling what I found as mild I tasted a whole spectrum of flavor that I can only compare SOMEWHAT to camels of the early 60's that I would get from my Grandpa every now & then. I to found it as in the first review 'oily' or a lot of 'tar' but also mild at the same time. Strange? yes! Strange to people of our era only use to the watered down 'crap' of a most if not all pre mades that were offered. I dont smoke it straight but love a hint of Ramback Turkish in combo with McClintock Virginia 'gold can' or D&R's new offering called "Three Sails" that AGAIN! I must agree with Doug at http://www.ryomagazine.com/
also reminds me of Bali golden 'red can'.That darn Doug!!! He sure is right alot!!!
So here is a true tobacco of old that has not been available to we U.S. consumers for years but someone in the 40's would have easily recognized as good, REAL Turkish tobacco. Its hard to talk about Ramback turkish without mentioning Peter Stockkebye Turkish BLEND-truely a BLEND & Very good warm toastie smoke but to be sure not the PURE turkish bouquet that Ramback is but that a good thing because real turkish like all in the syo/myo world is not for all of us & when we have made what WE LIKE,We won & the pre mades lost. Enjoy

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Re: Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Tim Mc. on Wednesday, 04-Feb-2004

To me a Turkish tobacco is all about blending. I have used this tobacco in an everday smoke composed of about 1/4 Ramback, 1/2 Stokkebye Amsterdam, and 1/4 Golden Virginian I buy loose in bulk from the Cigar Shop below my apartment. I found it to be absurdly delicious. I have given the blend a name as it is so deserving of such, but it is not to be repeated to the innocent public.

I personally find most commercially available Turkish tobaccos to be not just light but plain old bland. And I don't know about you but bland doesn't do much for me. This is a Turkish unlike anything I have ever had before. Its flavorful but too cool burning and maybe has TOO much flavor for being a solo smoke. I like light tubes and in a light tube it does nothing for me solo. Also a smoke that is all Ramback does indeed have a lingering aroma (a good word my mother used to say for "stink").

But when it's blended as it should be, its nothing but the best component of any blend I have ever tried. Nothing can replace it for its flavor, slow burn, and scent (not overpowering, you see, in a blend). I made about 30 or 40 ounces of this blend all together in a tub and got quite a few weeks out of it. I enjoyed every single smoke, finding it to complex enough to offer me something new to note every day for at least a week as I broke it in. I even had people ask me what my "cologne" was, while the normally recoil in aromatic-horror from my Phillip Morris-scented friends.

In any event, it is an odd-looking tobacco as some mentioned, but it is utterly unique and precious as well. My hats off to D&R for making this wonderful product. It finds it way into so many of my own home blends that I always have to have some on hand.

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Re: Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Smok-Daddy on Sunday, 01-May-2005

If you are new to ryo/myo try this stuff last.It is totally different than what you are used too.If you gotta try turkish go with the new Bali Shag Turkish Blend and go from there.... This stuff here is really funky! SD

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Re: Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by AusD on Sunday, 26-Feb-2006

I was recommended by the guy at RYO Magazine to create the following blend in order to best replicate the old classic Turkish blends (particularly of traditional hand-made turkish cigarettes).

Basically a 60:40 blend of Ramback and Windsail Platinum respectively but with a small touch of Dutch Halfzware (about 5% of the overall blend).

It's a deliciously mild smoke, but could anybody here try it and tell me how it compares to the pre-made Turkish ovals of old? Even if you can only compare the Ramback Gold/60:40 blend for me? (I am 20 and have never known the old Turkish smokes).

Basically would hand rolling this blend and flattening the finished cigarette produce a pretty close replica of the old Turkish ovals in anybody's experience?

Thanks for any advice.

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Re: Ramback Turkish
Posted by Dave L
Strange stuff, flavor is pretty good but the smoke smells like dirty socks (strong and lingering, unlike any other commercial or SYO smoke I have ever tried). Fresh it doesn't seem moist but doesn't burn very well and is pretty darn mild. Dry it out a bit and its much stronger (too strong for me) and burns fine. Somewhat dark tobacco that seems to have a lot of oil and/or tar. It burns with a dark ash, pretty strange stuff. It also leaves a bit of aftertaste on the tongue.

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