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Supermatic II

Supermatic_II.jpgBasically a Supermatic that's got a plastic housing and cannot make 100's. If you don't care about 100's this is, in some respects, a better machine than the Premier.

The Supermatic II uses one piece of sheet metal where the Premier uses three spot welded together. The single plate, reduced number of pieces and welds, design should yield a more consistent product. The spoon guide design on the II has less slop and wear issues. The rubber mat bottom of the Supermatic makes picking up/handling the machine awkward, the open bottom of the II also makes for easier cleanup.

While the light weight/plastic does make the Supermatic II a bit noisier, and relatively toy-like, I still prefer using the Supermatic II. My Supermatic had clearance issues and required frequent tear-down and cleaning. At least in my case, with my particular machines, the Supermatic II action is smoother and the results more consistent. I haven't tried the new/improved Supermatic and, other than my current subjective preference, cannot say that the Supermatic II is better than the Supermatic.

One negative of the Supermatic II is that in the interest of keeping costs down they made the crank bushing integral with the plastic housing. It seems a real bad idea to not tie this high stress component to the steel plate. Its the only component not attached to the steel plate. Using a separate bushing, like on the Supermatic, would stiffen and increase the longevity of the machine with a replaceable part... Its been years and I still have no excuse to experiment with a replaceable bushing mod.

It may no longer be an issue, but, these machines were notorious for coming from the factory with the release timing set too early.
edited Jul '07
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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Lisa on Sunday, 22-May-2011

My Supermatic II machine is tearing holes in my tubes. Does anyone know how to alleviate this problem. It is frustrating. Thank you for any information.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 25-Oct-2007

If you have a Super-II, You might consider lining the bottom of chamber with 5-10 mil Stainless Steel shim stock and forming a sheet to fit the top of aluminum compression block to become the new knife.
I did this to mine 4yrs ago and have never cleaned it since. Works like a charm. Nice clean tobacco shear/cut, no hang/tugs from uncut tobacco.

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Re: (Texas??) Supermatic II
Posted by mike c on Thursday, 02-Aug-2007

Dave.....and anyone else with an eye on matic's......WTF is _THIS_ one???
[link]

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Re: (Texas??) Supermatic II
Posted by mike c on Thursday, 02-Aug-2007

must be the dread red eh??
so is my home state to blame?
it's bedtime

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Re: Texas Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 02-Aug-2007

[link] There is/was also a Texas XL (Excel) [link].

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Supermatic II
Posted by David Wilson on Friday, 14-Oct-2005

Well.... I just received the so-called Redesigned Supermatic II.. First impressions was, is this it? It looked good, new stickers and all but it felt like (in other words) a toy.. I have been using the Supermatic blue machine for a year or so.. If it weren't for this site, I would have sent it back or either used it for something other than to inject tobacco with it haha :-) First off I re-adjusted the tube release, took the cutter out, sanded and polished it.. The spoon lever # 61 on the (Premier Parts List) seems to have a bend or curve to it, it is rubbing the inside spoon guide and metal plate (enough to leave marks).. I wonder if this is supposed to be bent or if it needs to be straight like the one in the Supermatic blue machine? I'm afraid to mess with it much more because its producing excellent cigarettes with little packing no gaps or trimming.. The Supermatic blue is my primary machine where the Supermatic II is the secondary, I hope to get 100,000 miles out of each before having to do allot of maintenance haha :-) Looks like I'm going to keep the Superamtic II to give ole blue a break every once in a while.. Now all I have to do is order one of Dave's Hopper Tray's and I will be set for a while..

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 14-Oct-2005

The plastic housing of the II does make it noticeably lighter and noisier in use (a bit toy-like when compared to the Supermatic). When using a hopper tray, the light weight and open bottom is a plus. When I make smokes I make one pack each of numerous brands. Returning leftover tobacco to the jar (bag, whatever) is a bit awkward with the Supermatic (replacing the rubber mat with rubber trim, like on the tray, helps).

Unless the design has changed in some way, the arm (spoon lever) should be flat. Did you mean that the arm is rubbing on the outside of the guide and cutter housing?

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by David Wilson on Friday, 14-Oct-2005

Hello Dave, its rubbing the guide as it follows the spoon heading towards the cutter housing.. As it bumps the tube release and moves it to let go of the tube its rubbing and leaving a mark on the metal cutter housing.. Does this make sense? The Spoon Lever does have a downward bend (right at the place where the big spring attaches to) this appears to be whats making it rub.. Thank's for your help..

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 15-Oct-2005

The only way I can get the spoon arm elbow to contact the cutter housing is to use excessive downward pressure on the crank handle. Without pressure, the arm should float over the spoon guide and cutter housing. It does sound like the bend in the arm is to blame.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Matt on Friday, 14-Oct-2005

I just got a Supermatic II myself. I've been using a Premier and I must say that I like using the Supermatic II just as much. I had to make some of my own adjustsments too, but this machine really does make consistent smokes with no hassle. On the Blue, I would set my selector for 100's when using tubes with 15mm filters like Gambler and kings for for 17mm tubes like Premier or Vera Cruz. With the Supermatic II, it doesn't seem to make any difference and all of my tubes stuff fine. One thing thing I am worried about is a spring breaking, since it looks like it would be more of a hassle to put back on. It is nice to have a backup machine with interchangeable parts. I am going to try switching cutters on my machines to see if either one works better on the other.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by David Wilson on Saturday, 15-Oct-2005

Hello Matt, I'm glad to see you received a Supermatic II.. Sounds like you have an ole blue as well haha :-) I agree with you, my Supermatic II is making more consistent smokes than my ole blue as well.. I put one of Dave's Hopper Trays on ole blue (it is well worth the money) and I am planning on getting one for the Supermatic II as well.. In hopes that it will give it some weight and a better feel to it.. I'm also worried about a few of the lesser made parts in the Supermatic II, like the spring connections and the plastic bearing housing.. Keep up the good work on the Servicing / Tuning your machines, let me know if the cutter is interchangeable in either injector..

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Matt on Saturday, 15-Oct-2005

So much for switching cutters, the Supermatic II's cutter won't fit the Premier's h-link. (Guess I should've measured before taking machines apart.) No big deal though. I'm glad I bought this machine and think it would be a great introduction for real SYO, since it's reliable and I'm sure the learning curve would be shorter than a blue Premier. Anyone who does buy a Supermatic II should like it enough that thier next step is getting a blue one... they won't regret it.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 15-Oct-2005

How doesn't the cutter fit? Smaller holes in the Supermatic H linkage? I got replacement cutters for both and didn't see a difference. I could have gotten lucky when installing them. The difference in diameter of the studs on the cutters I removed is pretty small.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Matt on Saturday, 15-Oct-2005

The studs on the Supermatic II are about 1 mm too wide. The Supermatic II is from RBA, and the blue is from CTC. I can't tell if the cutter is any sturdier in the II, with the nurse's scrub green cutter face, but I did want to see how it worked in the blue.

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Re: Supermatic
Posted by Randall on Saturday, 24-Dec-2005

Look folks, I'm sorry, but all these devices are more toys than tools to me. Revolver pistols and gatling guns have been around since the 1800s and pressing machines have been around even longer. With premade filtered tubes, there is no reason for this "novelty". A mechanical press along the lines of a drill press, with a storage hopper and grasper hooks with proper cams and gears would greatly ease production. I'm not too keen on this spoon feeding method either. Modern high production machines use a rolling process with continous feed paper rolls.   I don't expect that, but I do expect a "load the tube pull the handle, consistant smoke" result. It doesn't have to be electric, We can make one that's purely mechanical that will stroke 'em out. The "new" electric machine is advertised at price of near $300. I'm a machinist folks, We can make a mechanical one that will crank out a smoke as fast as you can pull the handle at half the price. We have the technology, and it's not even rocket science. The key is in the grasper fingers on the hopper, simular to the serated spoon they grasp a controlled amount of tobacco from the hopper, adjustable by distance between fingers and by adding or removing fingers. Screw to controll downstroke length. An extra control for tobacco quality, fine tuning for dryer or moister tobacco.

Downstroke: Graspers grab a specific amount of tobacco from the hopper recharging a new cylinder. Charged cylinder injects tobacco into filtered tube.

Upstroke: Kicks out finished smoke, rotates loaded cylinder to active position, recocks Ram rotates graspers to reload position and feeds more tobacco from hopper into the load tube.

What's so hard about that? Machine shops do something like this every day with conventional presses. Granted it's a hydraulic/pneumatic press doing the work, but a simple human operated lever works just as well.

I think a simple ram would work better than the serrated spoon, but I don't know, my expertise is more metal related.

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Re: Supermatic
Posted by Chas on Sunday, 25-Dec-2005

Sad, but true.
If the Supermatic worked better, a whole lot more people would be stuffing their own smokes. How long do you think the feds would allow that?

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Re: Supermatic
Posted by Mustafa Jones on Sunday, 25-Dec-2005

Well, where are your plans? More importantly, when do you start production? Talk is, after all, cheap....

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Re: Supermatic
Posted by Denny on Sunday, 25-Dec-2005

I have great respect for a man who can say (I think I can make it better!) Doesn't matter what it is, or who it helps, or if he even tries and fails, it's the idea that someone is thinking with their brain, rather than with other body parts!!!
Randall I thank you for looking at the problem, and saying I can do better! It shows me there is still hope in this country. People are to prone to criticize rather than do something about it, even it its only a thought!
I raise my cup in toast to guys like Randall. I only hope the future holds more people like him!
PEACE ON EARTH

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Re: Supermatic
Posted by mike c on Thursday, 02-Aug-2007

I was just wasting time reading when I need to be sleeping, saw this, was trying to decide if taking a poke could be appropriate, until the very end,
regarding the ram..........and you know what I am thinking regarding that, right?   
maybe if Magnum decides to send me a promo.......I could get on board with that train of thought......but the history of the matic's and all....hmmh

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Supermatic II and 100mm
Posted by Tim Aydt on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005

I adjusted my new Premier Supermatic II to make 100mm smokes and it actually does a better job than big blue.

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Re: Supermatic II and 100mm
Posted by Dan Kazmierski on Sunday, 02-Sep-2012

Can you describe for me the adjustments you made to the supermatic2 to stuff a 100 mm tube? Thanks

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Redesigned Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005

My wife signed up for Smoker's Warehouse and we received a brand new Supermatic II last week. It has spiffy new labels and is noticibly different under the hood.

All the parts look to be a better grade and quality. The operation is much smoother and firmer. I'll try and send pics soon.

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supermatic11
Posted by lorraine danish on Sunday, 07-Aug-2005

i have bought several of these machines, and i had problems with them all. i had to send several back. i have 2 to send back now.the tips keep fallig off, and the handle gets hard to push. i have hand problems, so i canot have these problems. i need your address to send these back. im sorry but i have not been to happy with these. and i have bought around 10 of them. thank you.

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Re: supermatic11
Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 09-Aug-2005

Arbro Inc. is the service and repair center for Supermatic and Excel machines.

ARBRO Inc
1790 Main ST
Keeseville, NY 12944

Are your machines red? The only other person who had the nozzle come off, didn't have the real thing (this post).

When the handle gets stiff, its time to clean the machine. See the thread just below this one.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by andrew on Thursday, 04-Aug-2005

I have to say i like using this thing. First cigerette i rolled came out perfectly and havent had trouble since. Packs pretty evenly.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Mary on Tuesday, 02-Aug-2005

I bought a "Supermatic II" at my local tobacco shop about two weeks ago. I had a lot of trouble with it, a screw was stripped, the Nozzle came off in a cigarette I made,hard to turn the handle and so on. Finally, today I spoke with the manufacture and found out my red machine was a knock off. Thankfully the tobacco shop exchanged it for me. This red machine came in the same box as the Supermatic II comes in, I thought they had just changed the color of the plastic case.
The new gold machine is so much nicer.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Max on Thursday, 09-Jun-2005

Does anyone know if the spoon from a Supermatic II is compatible with the vintage "Canada" supermatics?

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Making 100's with a Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 17-May-2005

Has anyone tried adjusting the tube release so that you can make 100mm cigs?

After cleaning and reassembling my 'new' Supermatic II, it works great. My wife has claimed it as her own and says it works better than the Premier Supermatic, for her. So now I am leary of making any modifications, lest I incur her wrath.

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Re: Making 100's with a Supermatic II
Posted by Kev on Tuesday, 17-May-2005

Tim, is the cutter and tray area the same size as the Premier? I haven't added a Supermatic II to my collection...yet.

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Re: Making 100's with a Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 17-May-2005

Yes, basically everything is the same, except for the metal case and lever to adjust for tube length. There is an adjustment for when the tube release occurs.

I see no reason why this couldn't be adjusted to release later or not at all.

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Re: Making 100's with a Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 19-May-2005

You'd have to shorten, or remove, the release plate to get a late enough release. Since someone mentioned getting good results without a release, you could try it without the release plate. I think a Supermatic adjustable plate will work if you cut off the adjuster tab. (edited 9-05)

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new to me, Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

I just bought a used Supermatic II for $5.00. Ha ha hah. It's one of the older ones, darker brown, with Supermatic II in white on the front. The cutter looks brand new. Some one remind me, are the cutters interchangable on the Premier and SII? Oh well, I'm going to go home and take it apart, clean it, modify it, lube it, and make some cigarettes.

All I need now, is an Excel to complete my collection and I can then begin taking over the world.

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Re: new to me, Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005

Strike that last line. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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Problems with Supermatic II injector
Posted by jim serrat on Thursday, 17-Mar-2005

I've been happily "rolling" my own cigarettes for almost 2 years now using an Excel injector. I had a Supermatic II as a backup machine which I was forced to use recently after my trusty Excel broke (I overstuffed it, just like they said NOT to do).

The main problem I am having with the Supermatic II is that it doesn't fill the standard king size tube completely; only 90-95%.

The second problem is the brass fitting you slip the end of the cigarette tube is a tad to big and I found it impossible to slide the tube to cover the fitting completely. This perhaps explains why I'm having problem number one.

My third problem is the awkward position of the crank and the crank motion while holding on to the machine.

My fourth and last problem is the silly little fill slot. If you've seen the Excel you know what I'm talking about. If not, the Excel has a well that you drop tobacco into and any excess tobacco is captured there in the well, ready for a little pinch more of tobacco for the next cigarette; a nice design.

Has anyone else experienced these problems with the Supermatic II?

Any suggested adjustments I might make?

Thanks for listening,

-- jim serrat,
Pennsauken, NJ

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Re: Problems with Supermatic II injector
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 17-Mar-2005

Short answers:
Tube release adjustment, see HowTo
400 grit sandpaper and Gizeh/ElRey tubes
Flip the crank plate or buy a custom crank plate, see Modifications
Make or buy a Hopper Tray, also in Modifications

I had forgotten about the nozzle. I eased the edges on mine with 400 grit sandpaper. Unlike the Premier, the factory edges on the II aren't eased at all. Some tube manufacturers are also a bit inconsistent in their sizing, see Tubes.

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Re: Problems with Supermatic II injector
Posted by Marge on Sunday, 19-Jun-2016

I bought a Supermatic II a few months ago.
It has never filled a single King tube all the way. About 1 in 10 are filled less then 3/4. 1 in 30 or so have ripped tips. I cleaned it. I tried adjusting but it has not helped. I do not overfill. It is my third machine so I know how to roll.
Any clear (and detailed) help here.

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Re: Problems with Supermatic II injector
Posted by Dave L on Sunday, 19-Jun-2016

Since it sounds like your gripper is working well (occasional torn tube), I would suggest trying dryer and moister tobacco (...this assumes the other 1/4 of the tobacco is sticking out of the end of the tube). I've had the same problem with multi-purpose tobacco that's too dry and fine-cut tobacco that's too moist. Drying/hydrating topics: [link]

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Ray on Tuesday, 04-Jan-2005

After filling the tube,I have to push towards the machine and pull out leaving a quarter inch or so of tobacco. I tap this in but the ends are loose. I would appreciate any advice.

Thanks,Ray

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Kurt Wall on Tuesday, 04-Jan-2005

I'd venture a guess that the spoon is not contacting the filter inside the tube. You might need to adjust it as shown here.
The text on adjustments reads:

"After reading your post on Zen tubes and my reply, I think I have it figured out. I think that the tube release is now engaging too late. The spoon arm should contact the tube release mechanism just as the tip of the spoon contacts the filter. This is to keep the spoon from pushing the filter out of the tube and not over stuff the tobacco in the tube.

As I said in the other post, CTC makes Zen tubes and they will be a tight fit, just like the Premier tubes. And the filters are probably a little loose, just like the premier tubes.

You may need to readjust the tube release again, so that it is releasing just as the spoon is touching the filter. Check that you're not getting a gap in tobacco at the filter end, this is a very fine adjustment and takes quite some time (Tim Aydt)."

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Sunday, 21-Nov-2004

I was looking at the underside of my supermatic and noticed the spring peg in the front. Then I noticed the same kind of peg in the back. After checking a diagram of the supermatic 2 I realized that this whole time I have been injecting without the big spring. I got my machine on ebay. It was just the machine with no instructions. I have been using it for months with no real problems I haven't been able to deal with. I assume though that having the big spring would make it work better. I guess I will have to order a spring. I noticed on CTC's website that they chagrge $5 shipping on parts orders. I don't want to pay that kind of shipping on a 60 cent spring. I am thinking of looking for a spring at the hardware store. What should I keep an eye out for when looking for a spring? I don't know it might just be easier to get the proper spring from CTC?

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Kev on Sunday, 21-Nov-2004

I'd probably try a hardware store, you can buy several for that price in an attempt to find the right one. When the spring is NOT on the Supermatic, the spring portion is about 1 1/4" long, from end-to-end it's just over 1 3/4" long. It doesn't require a lot of tension and you can see how much of a curve is needed on the spring ends by looking at the parts list. It does come in handy since it provides the "return" when injecting.

Your best bet - take it into the hardware store. Find a similar size spring and try it.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Sunday, 21-Nov-2004

There's also a picture of the Supermatic II's back that might help. Click on the little picture above and then on 'Next'.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Monday, 22-Nov-2004

I didn't see the 'next' link. but I found the picture in the in the image gallery. Thanks

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Wednesday, 01-Dec-2004

Judging from the picture the spring I got is a little fatter than a factory spring. Its working fine though. Aside from the concerns of machine wear that I mentioned.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Wednesday, 01-Dec-2004

I picked up a spring at the hardware store and it seems to be working good. My only concern is this. I am not sure if the spring is pulling everything back to hard. there isn't that much tension on the spring, so its probably ok. But having used the machine for months with no spring I am not used to the "whack" at the end of the return stroke.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Kev on Wednesday, 01-Dec-2004

If you just let go after the downward stroke, it would return with a loud noise. The factory spring isn't too tight, easily attached by hand.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Wednesday, 01-Dec-2004

I had no problem attaching the spring. My concern is wear an on the machine from repeatedly smacking up against the plastic housing. I wondering if putting some kind of a cushion on the housing would be a good idea

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Steve on Tuesday, 07-Dec-2004

I took the big spring off on purpose, I think the machine works better with out it.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 10-Dec-2004

A cushion on the Premier is possible. There's not enough room on the II. The noise is slightly obnoxious but not harmful to the machine.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Friday, 30-Jul-2004

I go the crank plate flipped over and the tube release adjusted right. Everything is running smoothly now. Oddly enough I have also noticed that the zen tubes slid onto the nossil easier than befor. I can see the differance in ease of use now. THanks a bunch dave

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Thursday, 29-Jul-2004

I just got a supermatic 2 off of ebay. the problem I have been having is far to much tobacco sticking out of the end and not enough by the filter. Cranking it all the way with out tobacco pushes the tube all the way off the nipple. I suspect part of the problem might be the zen tubes I have been using..... it seems there is a bit of size variance on the filters. Their loose filter plugs are not consistant in size. So I don't know if its something I have done, the machine, or the tubes..... to properly set the tobacco in the tube it takes more than a few taps on the butt. I checked the stuffing how to, but that didn't help.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Jennifer on Friday, 30-Jul-2004

Ok I figured out to adjust the tube release. I ran into one problem though.... the little peice sticking down that releases the tube at the begining was hitting the tube release adujustment plate, after I had adjusted the tube release. I might grind the tube release adjustment plate down a little.... that way I could slide the plate over a bit more.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 30-Jul-2004

After reading your post on Zen tubes and my reply, I think I have it figured out. I think that the tube release is now engaging too late. The spoon arm should contact the tube release mechanism just as the tip of the spoon contacts the filter. This is to keep the spoon from pushing the filter out of the tube and not overstuff the tobacco in the tube.

As I said in the other post, CTC makes Zen tubes and they will be a tight fit, just like the Premier tubes. And the filters are probably a little loose, just like the premier tubes.

You may need to readjust the tube release again, so that it is releasing just as the spoon is touching the filter. Check that you're not getting a gap in tobacco at the filter end, this is a very fine adjustment and takes quite some time. My experience is that you will always have tobacco sticking out the end of the tube no matter what you do, but that's on big blue. Good luck.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 30-Jul-2004

The slot of the release plate is way bigger than the post it straddles. While you can gain clearance by holding the plate counter-clockwise against the post, I did grind a bit off of my plate.

A word on adjustment. The release is better set late than early. The only negative is in the extreme, when bits of tube start tearing off and/or filters start pushing out.

Another Supermatic II potential problem is the little oval hole the gripper passes through. Make sure that the gripper arm doesn't hit the front edge of the hole when the gripper is supposed to be holding the tube. I had to file mine a tad bigger. Don't get carried away, just make the top/front corner a bit more square, it doesn't take much.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 30-Jul-2004

I've added two images to the Machines Image Gallery, Supermatic adjustment and Supermatic II gripper.

The 2-3/4" setting should work with all tubes. If you still get filter end voids odds are heavily in favor of the tobacco being too moist.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Hoss on Monday, 19-Sep-2005

Glad I read the machine category. I was cranking smokes out of my Supermatic 2, and had to tap each smoke at least 10 times to get the tobacco to fill the filter end. Once I saw the picture of the adjustment plate and nut, with the cut cigarette tube and the ruler at 2 3/4 ", I checked mine, it was adjusted to 2 1/2", suddenly it all sunk in. I followed the adjustment directions in this section, got it to the 2 3/4 " adjustment, tested it out, and wa-lah, a snip at the end, 2 or 3 taps and perfect smokes. The toughest part was finding a 7/32 wrench to fit the nut. Im now in MYO bliss. Thx for the tips and pics!

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Re: Supermatic Premier
Posted by Jan on Saturday, 19-Jun-2004

I have recently bought the Supermatic II and am having a lot of trouble getting the Tubes to load properly. There is a space between the filter and tobacco that is missing. I was having the same trouble with the little hand held injector I have. Is my tobacco to moist how do you know when it is dry enough? And how do you know how much to put in the tray? New to all this any help would be appreciated!

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Thursday, 27-May-2004

In the description, it says the Supermatic two uses one piece of sheet metal, rather than the two spot-welded pieces in the Premier. Somebody explain this to me, my brain's on vacation.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 28-May-2004

For housing and mounting plate(s) its 4 pieces and 8 spot welds VS 2 pieces and 2 welds. The Premier has a spoon/cutter carriage spot welded to the housing/mounting plate. With the Supermatic II, the mounting plate and carriage are a single formed piece. The single plate design should yield a more consistent product.

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Re: Supermatic II
Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 28-May-2004

Got it.

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