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The Ramback Prestige (FF) has a 20mm filter (current tube standard is 15-17mm) and the Ramback Elite (LF) has a 20mm high density filter. Made by St Vincent USA in the Philippines. Available from D&R.

Dec '07: Ramback Slim (80mm long, 6.5mm diameter and 20mm filter) tubes are now available from D&R.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Evan on Saturday, 19-Dec-2015

I am looking at the 6.5mm tubes and trying to find a high volume auto injection machine. Anyone found a good reliable one?

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Re: Ramback
Posted by Gregma80 on Thursday, 04-Aug-2011

Hey guys I just started injecting my own cigarettes and I was wondering if there is currently anyone manufacturing a 7.8mm diameter tube? I notice Rizla used to but, from what I here they have been discontinued. I feel the large 8.1mm diameter tubes are just too much and alter too much of the taste. I have only tried Premier FF filter tubes and have 5 boxes of Vera Cruz (Midnight) being delivered tomorrow. Any input would be much appreciated. Are the Ramback FF Ultra slims pretty smooth?

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Re: Ramback
Posted by mrnjlw10 on Saturday, 04-Jun-2011

Ramback are some of my favorite tubes. Every now and then I get one where the filter will pop right out of the tube.

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Re: Ramback
Posted by mgzinia on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011

Hi! this sites back up! wow! hey mrnjlw10, have you ever tried the slims?

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New Ramback Ultra slim
Posted by KL on Friday, 08-Feb-2008

I just got a 200 count box of the Ramback Ultra Slim Tubes w/ the ultra slim Injector today in my D&R order (it was a surprise freebie from Mark Ryan, what a guy!)
They are very cool, I will be ordering more of these. Before the ultra slim came out I always smoked Ramback Balkan in a thin stick so I had to roll them by hand, using the drop-in filter in the rolling paper. So needless to say it was cone shaped cause the filter is not all that thin.
The first tobacco I tried in the new tube was Ramback Balkan and it smoked and tasted just as I hoped it would. There is a bit of a learning curve using an injector and a tube that's that thin (6.5mm). The filter is 20mm long, the paper is tasteless, thin with a cork colored tipping and the same cool Ramback print job. I can see why it's part of the Ramback line of tubes, it's a perfect match to the tobacco. This is why I do all my business with D&R. next I will be ordering the Vera Cruz Ultra Thin tubes along with the Rambacks

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Re: New Ramback Ultra slim
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008

Kendal, I'm glad you like this tube and machine too. Like you, I think the tube goes well with Ramback and Ramback Balkan as well. Both the Ramback Prestige, and the Ultra Slim were designed to go with the Ramback Brands. I didn't know there was going to be a Vera Cruz Ultra Thin tube, and I'm looking forward to its release.       Capt Mike

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Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mm
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 14-Dec-2007

Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mmI'm still out with the verdict, but these are good with Ramback Balkan and Ramback. They tend to smoke faster, but that could be due to letting the tobacco sit five minutes before injecting! I wanted to add a picture of the new tube so everyone could see the difference.

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Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mm
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 15-Dec-2007

Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mmA closer look.

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Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mm
Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008

How do they compare to the Rizla Cig Size tubes?

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Re: Ramback Ultra Slim 6.5mm
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008

I don't know--I haven't tried them yet. Capt Mike

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Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by neil fredrickson on Thursday, 22-Feb-2007

A large chunk of the end of the tubes <i>always</i> tear off when I am using my Excel with the Ramback Premier tubes. Interestingly this doesn't happen with the box of Vera Cruz Nocturne tubes which also have a 20mm filter. I had this problem when i initially switched from RYO to MYO with the cheap bugler injector (not a proper noun) i picked up using premier tubes but the tear was hardly a chunk.

I'm really disappointed I was looking forward to smoking these as they look to be of very high quality (the only tubes with full circumference glue and a 20mm filter and made by D and R!) but instead I'm forced to rest them in the back of a drawer.

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 22-Feb-2007

The Ramback tubes are made by St Vincent (minimal glue, no tube has true full circumference glue, my bad). Odds are that the tearing is the long filter and that the Vera Cruz don't tear because the paper is stronger (or the paper has properties that make it harder to grip).

You can try try using less tobacco on the left side of the chamber. If this results in voids at the filter you will need to shorten the spoon a bit.

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by Neil on Saturday, 03-Mar-2007

This sort of works out but I am now left with gaping filter voids. It feels like the spoon catches at the tipping paper and begins to push the tube off earlier than it would otherwise (where it would hit the filter). While using less tobacco on the left side helps quite a bit I still find myself pushing the tube ~4mm-5mm onto the spoon to limit the space between the tobacco and the filter and then tapping vigorously (and even rolling the tobacco towards the filter) once the stick is "ready."

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 03-Mar-2007

The original issue was tube tearing and and the goal was to reduce the length of the tobacco plug you were pushing out of the machine. When filter end voids are the issue, you do not want to use less tobacco on the left side. If filling the chamber side to side is still resulting in torn tubes, try using less tobacco period (and/or just leave it a bit loose on the left end)... You might also try using some dryer tobacco.

The only thing a shorter spoon does is allow for a shorter tobacco plug. Filter end voids are not related to spoon length (a shorter spoon actually makes them less likely). There's nothing on the inside of the tube for the spoon to hit/hang up on until it gets to the filter.

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by neil on Monday, 06-Aug-2007

Thanks a lot Dave I appreciate it!

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 22-Feb-2007

you will need to shorten the spoon for most 20mm filtered tubes. I had to on my excel.

sj

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by mike c on Thursday, 22-Feb-2007

Scott, spoon shortening sounds like work.....I know people will get to that stage, but what about Rave/Zen/Buglar/Southen Cross/Twister/Rizla FF De Luxe, and a cast of tousands??? the newsest machinery in the industry is set to make 15mm tubes as a new standard of ease, etc.....

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by neil on Wednesday, 28-Feb-2007

It took me about ten minutes to shorten my spoon with a saw and a steel sander :)

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Re: Tube tearing on the Excel
Posted by Neil Fredrickson on Friday, 02-Mar-2007

P.S. The shortened spoon bares little difference from the standard spoon when injecting my Rizla De-luxe tubes. It injects my 20mms perfectly and leaves a minor filter gap on the 15mm, easily ameliorated with two or three taps.

Incidentally, the Rizla tubes I ordered from D&R were made in Germany rather than wherever the new Rizla tubes are made (Canada?). Even the Rizla tubes at my local smoke shops are from Germany. While the market might be pushing some standard I doubt we'll live to see the end of 20mm tubes. Being a newer product they might actually become the new standard, especially given their labeling as a "premium" tube. I know we all read RYO Magazine and expect a huge surge of injectees (?) in the next few years but the truth is that it's a market magazine tailored to develop the industry - there really isn't a huge berth in the MYO/RYO market.

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Ramback Elite and Ramback Prestige
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 04-Aug-2006

D&R was kind enough to send me a box each of Ramback Elite and Ramback Prestige tubes gratis with my last order, which arrived this morning.

Both are attractive looking tubes...the Elite (light version) has a brown and silver band near the end of the tipping paper while the Prestige has brown and gold...otherwise you can't tell which is which, since they feature only the Ramback logo on the tube.

I stuffed one of each with Windsail Platinum...now, I used to use El Rey light tubes before they changed (for the worse, IMO), and for the past couple of months have used either ZigZag King Lights or Premier King Lights. The Elite tube most assuredly muted the slightly sweet, nutty taste of the WP--obviously due to the longer, more dense filter element. Not to a great degree, but it was noticeable. The Prestige tube was slightly more full-flavoured, but again the expected taste was muted to a degree. They reminded me more of how pre-made smokes would taste if they used the quality of tobacco of the WP instead of the chemical-laden processed stuff they do use; which would probably be a good thing for those just making the switch to MYO. (I also stuffed an Elite with some McClintock FF, and found the slightly muted taste more enjoyable to me with that particular tobacco, which just goes to show that one really needs to experiment with various tube/tobacco combinations to find your own Holy Grail).

The tubes stuffed well and burned evenly and the construction was on par with most other tubes. It seemed the tubes were just ever-so-slightly smaller in diameter than either the ZigZags or Premiers, but not enough to hinder sliding them on the Big Blue nozzle. The boxes were nice and colourful and feature a tuck and seal flap in the middle of the lid.

Again, due to the longer filter element, a great deal of tobacco hung out the end using the King Size setting, and even after a few tamps, a small amount remained hanging out, but that's certainly no big deal. Slight tweakage of the machine would probably be required if these tubes were going to be used long-term.

All-in-all these are not bad tubes, and I'll certainly use them up and perhaps report back later after I've lived with them for a few packs of smokes.

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Re: Ramback Elite and Ramback Prestige
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 04-Aug-2006

Are you saying that the Elite's are lighter than the German Elrey lights?

For dealing with tobacco protrusion see Spoon Length. The shortest spoon is the one I have used with 25+ boxes of Rizla cigarette size tubes.

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Re: Ramback Elite and Ramback Prestige
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 04-Aug-2006

No way...the old (German) El Rey Lights were far lighter than the Ramback and didn't alter the taste of the tobacco in any real way. The day I sparked up my last tube of German El Rey was a sad day indeed. The new (Canadian) El Rey Lights are nowhere near as good as the German as far as I'm concerned--and the Ramback Elite is, to me, better than the Canadian El Reys, but I guess that's kind of a left-handed compliment (unintentionally). :-)

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Re: Ramback Elite and Ramback Prestige
Posted by Joelgee on Saturday, 14-Oct-2006

I've been making my own cigarettes for about a year and I have to say I'm appreciating the longer 20mm filters, especially the high density filters. I've been using the Ramback Elites and they seem to have a slightly higher failure rate than other tubes. However, during a paper shortage, I had to use tubes w/the 17mm filters. No comparison. The smoke was drier and the feel of the cigarette wasn't as sturdy.
As to the machine overstuffing the tube, I solved that by getting a five buck cigar cutter at a local shop. Snip back into the machine and I'm good to go.
I do believe that these tubes are just slightly narrower than others. I just couldn't get them on my Premier hand machine.
There is another 20mm filter alternative, though. There's now a Vera Cruz Elegante. It features a 20mm high density filter and it fits just fine on both my Premier cranker and my Premier hand machine.
I just hope the 20mm filter thing is here to stay. I prefer the high-density method of lightening smoke more than holely papers or holely filtertips (as opposed to holy tubes).
Kudos to D&R for coming up with their Ramback line and the Vera Cruz company as well for their Elegante.
J

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Re: Ramback Elite
Posted by Dominick on Saturday, 22-Jul-2006

I'm having a curious problem with the Ramback Elite tubes.

When I inject with either of my hand injectors (Blue Rizla+ and Zig-Zag Precision Pro), the tub tears where the gripper grabs the tube. It happens almost every time. The only time it doesn't is if I underload the chamber.

This doesn't occur with any other tube I've tried (El Ray, Zig-Zag, Premier, Mentho-Tip, Vera Cruz).

I have no problem with the tube when I use my Top-o-Matic.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has had this problem.

dominick

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Re: Ramback Elite
Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 22-Jul-2006

Its the longer filter element (20 VS 15-17mm), i.e. there's less space for tobacco. When tobacco and/or the spoon push hard enough against the filter, the tube will tear at the gripper.

With the TOM or Supermatics this can also be an issue, it depends on the release timing and how well the gripper grips. I use a shorter spoon with the Rizla cigarette size tubes (even longer filter), and under-fill the left side of the chamber, because I prefer not having to trim off excess tobacco. See Tuning for more info.

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Re: Ramback Elite
Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 28-Mar-2006

Ya know, i'm glad you mentioned that about the high density filter. I had totally forgotten about that. In fact I had assumed that the Elite was the Full Flavor Prestige.

That changes my thinking dramatically. (maybe they SHOULD put Lite on the box :) I couldn't put my finger on why my tobacco tasted so different, or I should say a lot of the taste/strength was missing.

I'm not personally partial to lite tubes regardless of who makes them but I guess the new Ramback Elite does what it says it will do. I guess it's pretty good in that light because it sure did make my smokes lighter.

My main complaint was that the graphics on the tube are not up to snuff (and this is my complaint about the expensive Vera Cruz tube also) I have lite tubes around the house because z wife likes them. The Gambler, Top & Zig Zag Lite tubes all have crystal clear graphics, bands and print. This tube does not.

J&R sent me a box of Mascotti Classic tubes also. They taste fine and since they had them on sale were a great bargain. But these too had a washed out logo on them.

These manufacturers should wise up. Make the graphics crystal clear! I don't know why they think the MYO community should be saddled with tubes that look cut rate.

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D & R Ramback Elite 20 mm Tubes
Posted by Dano on Sunday, 26-Mar-2006

I just received an order from J & R the other day and they were so kind as to throw in a carton of their new Ramback 20mm tubes gratis. As always, they are a classy place. My impressions after smoking them for a few days is this.

First, I was surprised to find out that they are apparently manufactured in the Philippines. The box that they come in, although not wrapped in cellophane like the Rizzla Cig Size tubes does have a very convenient, working flap to keep the box securely closed. No more little tape strips! The little flap easily pushes into the box, you can turn the box upside down and shake it and it's not going to open. About Time! :) Every box of tubes should have this feature.

The tube itself, well, it seems to be well made. The tipping paper seems to be a little bit brighter than usual, it has two bands around the filter, maroon & silver and a unusual maroon (dark red if you will) logo which is cool looking. It burns and holds the ash well. Normally I stuff a Rizzla Deluxe with McClintock Virgina and with the Ramback tube it seems to change the taste quite a bit. Maybe it's the 20mm tube, but I tried to compare it to the Rizzla 20mm tube which tastes fine to me and I noticed a difference that I really couldn't say was for the better. I don't know if it is the paper or the larger filter or a combination of the two, but it just seemed to me to be not as neutral as it should be.

My main disappointment was the graphics on the tube. The 2 bands on the tube which are great and the logo both need a shot of INK!! The two bands weren't washed out looking more like low rez, kind of muddy and the logo which is cool really needs to be thicker, by that I mean the lines are SO small and the ink so muddy that it really disappoints! My advice would be to look at the Rizzla Cig Size Tube and take a clue from them because that tube has the clearest graphic of any tube on the market. I mean what's the point?? Why make a new tube and skip on the ink for the graphics??? Even the Top & Zig Zag Light have clearer graphics! As a Chef of 30 years I can tell you, make it look good and it will taste better.

Over all at this point I give it a rating of B. Great packaging, apparently well made, questionable taste neutrality wise and lousy production quality for the graphics.

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