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Magnum Injector

Magnum InjectorA forthcoming electric injector expected to retail for under $150. Doug at RYO Magazine reports that 200 of these machines will reach the US in a month or two and 10,000 in in the first half of '08. There's no mention of where they will be sold. Doug has a review (near the bottom of the page) and a video (wmv). Thanks to HeyPockyWay for the news.

Sep '07: Thanks to Dash I found a bunch of WIPO documents (mostly French) including a rendering of the internals. Magnum writes that there is still a lot of work to do before the Magnum will be available to the public.

Dec '07: The front page of the Magnum Injector site (...now gone) is now online (tkx Mike) and it states that the machine will be available in March '08. Tobacco Speciality Products Inc. (TSP) is located in Montreal (Quebec, CA) and appears to be, at least partially, owned by the machines inventor, Jean-Pierre Bajouet.

Feb '08: The Magnum is available from American Thrust and D&R. Folks are starting to report their experiences with the machine (some copied over from the MYO Magnum page). OT posts (not reviews or information related to the Magnum) deleted (again).

Jul '11: No longer available.

Feb '12: The Magnum has been reborn as the Electromatic and is available for $260 from ElectromaticInjector.com.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008

Well been playing with this machine since American Thrust released them, after lots of adjustments and letting the tobacco dry for about 1 hour from 65% humidity it will start to load tubes, usually have to let up on release handle 2 or 3 times before it will complete cycle on loading tube, batteries barely last thru 3 1/2 packs, noticed one thing though, as batteries were slowing down machine it would load tube completely without having to raise release handle, as if slower speed gave the tobacco time to make a proper compression for entering the tube correctly.

Kindest Regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kent C on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008

Pete,

My experience is similar - letting up on handle to get a full stuff. I haven't used my second rod yet. I suspect that it will do fine for a while then get to this point. When new, I had virtually no problems once I got it down and that lasted for about 15-20 cartons and then the rod was stopping, grinding. If they packaged about 10 new rods at a low price, I think I'd be good with that. I probably chewed up the first rod by not stopping early enough but I'm still using it. Have rotated it 90, once - about ready for another rotation. Still I'm getting good stuffs, not over or under packed and no falling cherries. Occasionally, say once a pack, I'll get a half stuff and it will pump the tube off to where I have to tap it, and stuff it the rest of the way.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008

Pete,
Did you notice 2 of the mods. that tsp is going to do.

1: Reduce the diameter of the brass nozzle. Which is fine.

2: Make the chamber opening bigger. I don't get it. If the machine has a problem with pushing the tobacco now, what do you think is going to happen when they make the chamber bigger?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 07-Apr-2008

Tony,

From my experience gearing the motor to a slower speed and giving it more pushing power would help more.

Kindest regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kerry on Monday, 07-Apr-2008

It will be interesting to see how many more problems start to arise as the ambient RH is now starting to rise in many areas. Just a thought...

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Monday, 07-Apr-2008

Pete,
Try this on your machine, and think...chamber alignment.

If the rod is bowing down a bit has it enters the chamber, it could possibly hit the lip on the bottom of the chamber,(the rod has beveled edges to avoid the lips) which is why you have to toggle the handle up and down to complete the cycle.(it moves the rod away from the lip)

Loosen up the screw on the right side of stationary chamber door, push down on the right corner of the chamber door as far as you can, and tighten.

See if that helps. It made a big improvement on mine.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 10-Apr-2008

increased pressure increases friction.... increases load.... increases power demand.... increases watt demand..... increases battery demand..... increased battery heat.... DECREASES time between recharges.... increased recharge cycles DECREASES battery life.

Now, we all know what happens to an electric motor when it is overloaded.... yea, it overheats.... Increaseing the load on drive components increases the load on the motor to the point that if it exceeds the rated capacity of of the motor it overheats the motor and DECREASES THE LIFE OF THE MOTOR/BEARING LIFE and which call for even more power which causes even more heat... etc.

Now I wonder, could any of these adjustments have an effect on the warranty of the machine ?.... One thing I do know ... it certainly is not going to make the machine last any longer.... Anyway, if you give the Magnum a rest this summer while waiting for the humidity to fall, might help the magnum through it's warranty period before it rolls over belly up.

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Re: Magnum Injector Problems and Fix.
Posted by Gart50 on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2008

Tobacco Outfitters currently have Magnum Injectors. We received 48 machines in mid-March. Prior to selling any machine, we tested each machine. We found that perhaps half of the machines did not work properly out of the box. Over the past 3 weeks, we have torn apart and re-adjusted the machines and the machines we are selling work very well indeed.

The major problems are largely QA/QC problems such as missing screws, loose screws, missing bearings, non-functioning adjustments and such. If...and it's a big if, TSP is able to get proper QA/QC, this machine will transform the MYO market. Don't forget, this first order of only 200 machines nationwide should be considered a beta test. We at Tobacco Outfitters are pleased to have been chosen for this test marketing. We will be passing on our findings to both Doug Kennedy and TSP.

Best Regards,

Bruce K. Gartner
Tobacco Outfitters LLC

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Re: Magnum Injector Problems and Fix.
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 03-Apr-2008

I hope beta testing means I can get a very fair trade-in.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

OK, here go's.
When my second machine arrived, I charged it a full 12 hrs.(didn't even turn it to on)
I started to inject, and was reliving the experience I had with my first machine. It jammed and gave me 3/4 sticks, and I started with little tobacco. I tighten the spring compression, used little tobacco, got a 3/4 stick, added just a little bit more tobacco(dry, but not overly) on my next stick, and then jam. I went to adjust the tension under brass nozzle, guess what? NO SCREW! It was a nightmare, so I stopped and emailed TSP.

Following day I decided that I would try one more time. I opened it up and tried Pete's adjustments, still nothing. Looking at the chamber, I still noticed that the chamber door that moves, is still cocked. So I decided to loosen up the screw(behind the door on the right side, facing the machine) that attaches the stationary door, and placed a washer(about 1/16 of an inch) in between the chamber and base, and then re-tighten. This ended up drawing the right side of the door down a bit. I started to inject, and it made a big difference on this machine. 6 packs, I was a happy camper! I would get some slippage from time to time, but nowhere near what I was getting. I guess I didn't need the screw under the brass nozzle, it worked fine without it. Maybe a diff. brand of tubes might be a problem.(I use premier) If thats the case, then I'll put in a screw.

FYI: You have to work the tobacco. Its very important on this machine.
If its a long strand, you have to break it up to shorter pieces. If its moist, stick it under a lamp for a few minutes to dry it out, but not to dry where its hard.
I use 2 tobaccos:
Gambler: lenght is good, but it had to be dried.
Windsail platinum : Long strand, needed very little drying.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

Great Tony:) I think if the adjustments are right on the machine it makes a HUGE difference. They have been passed on to TSP and they are aware. the tube release is more about hardness of pack of the cigarette and if your like me i dont like em rock hard so my screw is backed out anyway so not having one probably wont be detrimental.

Welcome to the "lucky magnum owners group" :)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

David,
You have no idea how relieved I am. From seeing your demonstration and how well your machine was performing, I knew there had to be some adjustments that were off. This machine does have a lot of potential and thats why I didn't want to give up. Although it still needs some work, Its not as bad as what it used to be. Hopefully Tsp will take care of us with there new modification.

tony

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

Inside Brass nozzle opening is .279 or two hundred seventy nine thousandths, My small bore gauges will expand inside compression chamber but then I'm unable to remove and check diameter, but I believe it may be smaller then brass nozzle as it should be. TSP please keep at this machine and I truly believe the complaints read here will start to disappear, so far beats hell out of cranking.

Kindest regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

My take on the Magnum after ripping it apart and putting it back together again is the possibilities of beating the Crank machines are there. Lots to learn though for an old hand cranker, drier tobacco, less tobacco in slot, something is still lacking though only very slightly, every once in a while you get a jam although you have done everything right, by letting up slightly on handle an restarting it will usually finish filling tube. I feel sure company will work on this problem. Little things I have noticed after taking apart the two steel compression slides, one seemed to have a couple of machine marks inside, they were not scratch's but machine marks, this could possibly cause some binding of the tightly compressed tobacco. the other was unless the Phillips head adjustment stop screw was set just right it allowed the chamber to slightly open after complete closure this was definitely a no no and quickly caused jamming, The company specs. and complete quality control over the the correct amount of compression for tobacco entering tube must be smaller then tube to complete cycle is absolutely vital to success of this machine. according to an email from company adjustment screw with spring should be tightened all the way down and then (quoting them back off 2 half turns) I interpret that to mean back off one full turn. The machine is getting easier and easier to use probably will work even easier to a person who has never used a hand crank. So far I'm quite fond of this machine as interest in any machinery is fascinating to me please TSP don't give up you are on the verge of stuffers greatnest.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

I dont think TSP is giving up they are making some mods and are actually listening to the consumer. They are also working on a tighter qc system that will help as well.

I for one will probably redo one or both of the videos to make them more of a actual training type tool.

What we got Pete were some of the first 200 from what I have been able to gather and later models will incorporate some of the things we have discovered and have tweaked on ours.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

I can also report that replacement rods should be available soon from the resellers and directly from TSP. They will come in packs of 5 and should be about $5.00 +$2.00 shipping but the price at the reseller may vary slightly.

I will report more when I know it

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

David that sounds real good, next problem though what will we do for updated and better machines than we already have :-))...

Kindest regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008

the mods that have been mentioned to me have to do with opening the flashing behind the handle and a smaller diameter nozzle both can be accomplished by us fairly easy. the nozzle would just take a little sanding the flashing may take a bit more work. I use zen tubes so dont find them to be too tight so the nozzle isnt an issue for me.

the flashing will open the chamber slightly more and i think you mentioned it before :)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 24-Mar-2008

Has American Thrust already quit selling the magnum or maybe just out of stock?

Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Monday, 24-Mar-2008

American thrust only had 48 and sold them out and they are waiting for their next shipment. That's the latest news from there as of last week.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2008

I must have gotten there last one. It seems has if as soon as I received it, they ran out. That was a close call. I'm glad I exchanged it when I did.

I have to admit, there shipping was excellent.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 23-Mar-2008

I sent tsp an email.
Need I say more?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

Magnum Injector reports and discussions sure went by fast.

Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

just the calm before at least some breeze
this is the time of testing hold up (a guess, a hunch, could be furthest from any truth)
plus surely somebody willl vocalize something
maybe you and David made them all work seamlessly??

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

Yes we are having a storm, the Magnum working great, still using the original rod with no problems! Stuffed well over 1000 sticks, hope everyone still having good luck with yours, beats the heck out of the ol' crank, the crank are OK! Mark must have stuffed close to a 1000 sticks too or more, how about ya Mark!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

Mine just came in today, and is being charged.
I'M AFRAID TO TRY IT!!!
So far, the handle feels kind of sloppy.
Drum roll.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

If the handle feels sloppy you might want to check the handle adjustment that Pete posted here. just slide the handle down until the chamber is closed and then just back out the screw to that point. It defiantly makes a difference.

I would recommend checking all 3 adjustments rod,release and handle before using it to any extent.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 21-Mar-2008

David,
When you received your machine, did you adjust your tension to the setting that you had indicated, or was it set that way from the factory.

I noticed Pete's findings, and it looks like I might have to make some adjustments. My chamber door seems a little more cocked then my first machine. It appears like its going to be bottle necking. I won't know until I start to use it.

I haven't tried my machine yet(in fact, I haven't even turned it on)its still charging.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 22-Mar-2008

I am not sure if it was that way or not to be truthful I have had the rod out and in a number of times and have to loosen and tighten etc. Probably wouldnt hurt to check all 3 adjustments prior to use

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2008

The Magnum is now being sold on E-Bay for $155 including shipping, out the door! Here is the [link]

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2008

It's almost funny that a machine shop would be engaged in selling electric tube stuffers, CHARNEY MACHINE & TOOL, INC
160 84th STREET SW
BYRON CENTER, MI 49315
616-455-3800
Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Richard I on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

I have a bit of a problem with the rod stopping about 3/4 of the way through. I life up on the handle and it finishes. I notice if I break up my tobacco abit it seems to fill the tube better. I changed rods and adjustments but it still won't travel all the way without stopping. Also Premier Tubes are hard to get on the nozzle. I find Zen tubes are easier to get on but I don't like the ash. Anybody know of any other tubes that are easier to put on?
......Richard

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Rizla and Bugler should do the trick among many others that are used by fellow folks here-

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Richard I on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Thanks Mike, I"ll try that next.........

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Richard,
I use premier also. I had the same problem at first, it was real tight, but as you continue to use the machine, they will go on easier.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Guys,
My opinion of machine is well designed, well thought out, has great possibilities, but somebody better get a handle on quality control real fast or it will be dumped like the quick roller was.

Kindest Regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kent C on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

I just did a cleaning and servicing of the Magnum, with great help from Pete.... getting the shell off and getting the rod back in. Thanks Pete.

I had run about 7 cartons without a problem and in the last 3 I was getting some hesitation in the rod and some grind but it continued. I notice that I did have some wear spots on the rod so I rotated it. I had a bit of a time getting it back in. I totally loosened the spring and still couldn't get the rod past the wheel. I has to pry the spring assembly in order to insert the rod. I also notice some buildup on the top wheel of dust which came off in flakes when I cleaned it - no doubt closing the gap between the wheels.

During the first 7 cartons all I'd get was just a difference in tone of the motor, no stops or hesitation but then lately I had some grinding. Advice is as soon as there's a hesitation in the rod travel, stop the machine and clear out the slot. I'm figuring on taking off the shell about every 5 cartons to inspect the wheel for buildup.

Back to normal now.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #9 Only four screws needed to remove top they are circled in yellow

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Good job Pete,
I noticed that also on my chamber door. When I would lower the handle, the door would close all the way, then it would start to open up a bit.

Whenever I would get a jam, I would lift the handle a little, then the rod was able to pass through.

I thought maybe there could of been a misalignment with the handle, but never bothered to mess with it.

This could be another adjustment to be made if my next machine doesn't operate correctly.

thanks

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #8 Also opened my slot wider.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture # 7 front shot

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #6 Now notice that your arm will not close as fully as it did before adjustment, is this perfect?? it's working for me at the moment and I sincerely hope it give many more clues and added suggestions from other readers.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #5 Here is a better view with proper adjustment of this internal screw.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #4 adjust this screw out till it is just touching operating arm when it's fully closed, any this should give you and idea to make proper adjustments. I am now very happy with mine if it holds up to quality.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum Injector#3 see the phillips screw, if it's aduucted in all the way it let your compaction chamber close all the way then open up slightly causing the compacted tobacco to get cocked wrong in the chamber/

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

I saw that screw early on Pete, but you have found something. Mine was turned in all the way from the factory. After making the adjustment I can see a lot of improvement in the overall consistency of the stick.

Before while it was a really nice stick you could actually if you pressed hard enough get some give at the filter. After backing that screw out to contact right as the chamber is fully closed I've noticed on the first nine that I made there was a perfect uniform stuff all the way to the filter and the filter now takes quite a bit more pressure to get it to move.

Good job Pete!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kent C on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Same here David - I backed that screw out and getting the same results. It's the same problem you can get with the Supermatic if the end of the cross bar in the H assembly is not stopping in the right place which draws the compressor/cutter back out a bit, (Dave L. has a picture of it somewhere) leaving an edge in the chamber right in front of the nozzle entrance where tobacco will bottleneck.

My first supermatic didn't have the length in the whole H assembly to seat the cutter properly - the two holes where the cutter connects were off spec - which made the cutter come in at a slight angle causing that gap. I sent it in to American Thrust for repair and the machine never made it there.... so they said. But it was insured.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #2 another shot screw tightened all the way

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorPicture #1 If site will allow my pictures will show you what I have found adjustable, top removed looking at backside near where tobacco is injected into tube, the loose screw to the left of nozzle holding machined part make sure it's tightened all the way.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

Well I made up my mind. I decided to exchange it.

Hopefully the second one will be better. I'll keep you posted.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

@#$%%^^%#@@ POST OFFICE!!!
$18.00 to ship it!! UPS only wanted $7.15, but couldn't ship it because it was to a PO box.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

It wouldn't fit in a flat-rate box?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

I don't know?
That was the only 2 options she gave me.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

And, for priority mail, they wanted $40.00!!!

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Re: Magnum Injector return costs
Posted by Freddie on Saturday, 15-Mar-2008

Just remember the return costs when you return the 2nd machine.

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Re: Magnum Injector return costs
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 15-Mar-2008

lol.....yeah Freddie, that came to mind also.
I'm hoping I won't have to. withs Pete's other finding, it just might work this time. If not, then I'll contact TSP.

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Re: Magnum Injector - off subject
Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008

Dave,
I have to say, you have an excellent forum.

Some time ago, I was on a forum that had the same format that you have here. It was one busy forum.

After some time, the owner of the forum, informed everyone that he had to change the format.(to the standard format that you see today)
No one was happy, and it went down hill after that.

Nice job!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Dwayne on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

Got mine and have made about 200 smokes with two or three not filled totally. After watching David's video, I am rocking with this machine and love it. It is a simple matter of getting the right adjustment and using David's method and you will be or should be enjoying trouble free operation 99% of the time. Have not charged this machine since the initial full charge and it is still going strong. David I appreciate your video as it has helped me BIG TIME. Do not know why some people are having trouble still at this point because for me this machine is great. Good luck to all having problems and I hope you can work em' out.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Jeremy on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

So my magnum came Friday. I have yet to get a good rolled smoke from it. Today is the last day to use it and mess with it to get it to work. I've almost used a box of tubes trying. I just can't believe this is working the worst of all the electric machines. I don't get it. How long does it take for them to send your money back?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

I received my Magnum on Monday.
So far I have stuffed 4 or 5 packs with it with less than stellar results.
I have yet to over stuff a tube. They either come out under stuffed or the machine jams. I had a little success when I tried pushing tobacco to the edged of the filler slot and got some fairly well stuffed tubes, but I tried that again last night with no success.
(Most of the time I get a tube that has 1/4" to 1" with no tobacco near the filter)

I just watched David's new vid and will give it another go in a bit. (Hopefully with better results)
I also tried to make a few adjustments which didn't seem to do much.
The "Engrish" manual says there is a compression screw and nozzle screw, but doesn't point them out. I tried adjusting the screw than uses the included allen wrench and the one near the nozzle tip that uses a square bit (I have one marked S-2)

Also- My compression rod is not completely smooth. If I run my finger down it I can feel irregularities.

If one of you guys could help me out here I wanna make this thing work.

BTW- I am using D&R Roland tobacco with Twister tubes.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

scott,
try loosening the screw under the brass nozzle, and see if that helps getting fuller sticks.

also, do you have flat spots on the bottom of the rod?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

I assume you are talking about the screw near the nozzle tip that uses a square bit. I just loosened it and am going to try again.

and yes I have flat spots on the rod. The instructions are unclear on how to change or rotate though.

BTW- My unit was tested at the factory. At first I was upset when I noticed tobacco residue, then I saw it stated "tested with real tobacco".

Thanks for your response.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

I'm sorry, but by flat spots, I was referring to curved up spots from the drive wheel eating away on the rod.

As far as it being tested, they probably just ran 1 stick through it and said, OK pass.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Yep...that describes the rod currently installed.
I am looking around to find my manual. I gotta figure out how to change the rod. I just tried a few runs and didn't make a single stick. It jammed each time except once. That time it left an inch and a half of air from the filter. :(

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Its going to do that now every time it comes to that curved spot.

If you notice at the back of the machine, there is a metal tab that rides up against the rod, once the rod passes that tab the machine will stop. With a small screwdriver or whatever, just push back gently on that tab, and the rod will pop out.(handle down-machine on)

Rotate the rod 90 degrees and insert from backside. You are going to use some force to push it in. If it doesn't go in, then loosen up the tension screw on the bottom with the Allan key, and then try again.(handle down-machine on) Then re-tighten. As far as tightness, David brown said his worked best tightened all the way, then back out half a turn.

I tried that on mine and was able to make 3 packs and then my machine broke.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Scott,
To get the tobacco closer to the filter, tighten down on the screw under the brass nozzle. If paper is being torn off, then its too tight.
Also it will compact the tobacco more,(which is probably why you are getting under filled tubes) You are going to have to try different adjustments.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Thanks.....

It seems to be doing much better since I put in the spare rod.

Looks like it likes really dry tobacco. We'll see what kind of results I get with a little practice.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

yeah, I would leave my tobacco out for a few minutes, and that worked best for me also.

good luck

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Well I am through messing with this contraption!

After making a few somewhat decent stuffs I had a couple of jams and now have another rod problem.

I am sending it back. Hopefully the next revision of this product won't be in beta still!

Thanks for your help though!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Scott, you brought up another of my beefs with this machine, the manual. People that are having trouble with this machine are getting bashed in general saying "they probably didn't read the manual". Whadaya' kiddin' me?!? I read the manual twice, once in the .pdf format before I got the machine and again with the booklet. It offers no help other than to "start with little tobacco". Let's not even mention the grammar in it, (sheeesh). The instructions are pretty much a joke.
Good luck getting it to run.....I mean that sincerely!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Correction: I looked it up, my quote was incorrect. It should read "Start first cigarettes with a small quantity of tobacco."

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

I don't know if I would call that a manual. LOL

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Well Mark so are the instructions on a supermatic, While I agree the manual is less than it should be we cant expect a 50 page manual with pictures, DVD demonstration and on-site training for 150 bux.

That's not to say comments on both sides couldn't have been put differently, but I am still in the camp that believes it is a solid design and solid machine. but it seems now that there are those who can use it and those who couldn't.

I know the rod not being inserted argument but Joanne was first to report that and at last report is living well with the machine so the argument that there were those who had tested machine and those who didn't being the reason machines worked or didn't is mute.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

"it seems now that there are those who can use it and those who couldn't"
You are still going on the assumption that all the machines were set up the same. It's an incorrect assumption, I believe.
I didn't say I expected a 50 page manual with a DVD.....just something spelled correctly and with a TAD more detail than it has. Having an English speaking friend\associate go over it before it was printed would have been a good idea, don't you think?
I guess only time will tell how these machines fare. Right now as far as people posting that have the machine, it looks like about a 50\50 success rate to me.
I really AM glad you are having good luck with yours, it shows that the machine has the potential of being a good one.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Well Mark so are the instructions on a supermatic, While I agree the manual is less than it should be we cant expect a 50 page manual with pictures, DVD demonstration and on-site training for 150 bux.

Why not?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

LOL With a Supermatic you don't NEED instructions.....it works!

Actually I can live with sketchy instructions but comments have been made here, on YouTube and on RYO Revolution saying the people having problems with the Magnum haven't read the instructions. I find that laughable.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

"put dry tobacco into the reservoir, and fill the chamber,Do not pack too tight, start first cigarettes with a small quantity of tobacco." that is what the manual actually says. now you cited earlier just the last step in that sequence, is that because you overlooked the first 3 steps?

I followed the above steps and it made a smoke, i did it again and again until i got the hang of it. I have jammed it, but when i did i backed the rod out and cleared it.

Now I am going to say something a lot of people are not going to like. After having mine apart and seeing the components and how they work, rod flatspots are the result of jamming the machine and instead of clearing it just letting the motor run against the rod out of frustration or what ever. There just is not other plausible cause.

Now I am sorry you guys couldnt get the hang of it, but for everyone that is out there claiming it is a POS I will be there proving it isnt. Just the way it is going to be.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

Yeah right Dave..... I skipped over the whole thing and went right to that half sentence, ignoring the rest.
As far as the flat spots, I didn't have any , just a bowed rod, you can check my past posts. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, I just tried to convey my experience with the Magnum as accurately as I could. You seem head strong to defend ALL of the Magnum's, only having experience with one. I never claimed all Magnum's were no good but the one I had was a P.O.S. Don't take it so personally.
This thread is really no longer benefiting anybody.....I'm out of here.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

I saw something that impressed me
no tamping
David it's obvious the manual is a piece of shit and there isn't much excuse for that
however I am all for this machine working out and am changing my own mind al little with the idea I will get one eventaully after I watch and see if it keeps working
something else- does it have to run on a charge or can it stay "plugged in"?? I am funny about battery operated things: I hate them, so I would want to never bother with charges and just have it stay plugged in (when in use)
pardon my ignorance here

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

Yes it will operate plugged in, I dont however leave it plugged in due to the "learning" capability of a gel cell. I will charge mine and get about 400 sticks give or take a few out of a charge. then i plug it back in over night and let it charge then uplug it again after the 11 hours.

I leave the machine unplugged normally. Again that is just me i dont want the battery to learn that it is always plugged in.
i would imagine if you like you could disconnect the battery and just use the charging jack, if the charger had enough amperage i guess. I havent tried that and probably wont :) but in theory it could be done if you could find out the current draw and match the charger to that.

And to get to your first observation, no tamping, that is correct if you have the release tension adjusted right it will put the tobacco plug all the way to the filter without fail. The release tension isnt rocket science either, just a single screw that if too tight will give you rock hard smokes and if too loose with result in under filled tubes. I found with mine to close the chamber and back the screw out where the release was too loose, then snug it up and back off just about 1/4 turn from snug. that results in a good drawing smoke that is filled good every time

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

kewel
well, the little power adapter for my portable-made-permanent cd player has many power settings so maybe this could apply to that (boy you can tell I know my stuff hehe)
none of this is a big deal, if it can keep up with the pink rabbit and packs 'em minus tamping then it's good stuff indeedie :o)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

David,
your right about the release tension not being rocket science, it fact, the whole machine isn't rocket science. There is only 2 adjustments. So the machine is going to work, or it isn't. So far the majority isn't.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

I'm not convinced that the majority isn't, for two reasons one I've communicated with a lot more happy users than I have with unhappy users. And the other is that those on this particular forum have long since shown their bias against the Magnum from the announcement last April.

And I would hardly call the six or seven people who have seem to have problems on this forum a majority by any means. There are numerous places on the web where people congregate and post besides this forum. This forum however and it is documented dating back to last April some users have gone out of their way to be hypercritical.

And statements like yours above saying so far the majority isn't, creates an impression that has been fostered on this site since last April. If you have watched this site over the last year you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

We can all agree to disagree, but I would be receptive and a little bit less skeptical if instead of words I actually saw proof of failures instead of just words. I have posted proof of success and it didn't cost me a thing. And like I said earlier I have talked a lot more happy customers and I have unhappy customers and for some reason the majority of the unhappy customers all seem to post to this forum. Take that for what it's worth.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

I am new here.I haven't been watching this site and I can't understand why people would bash something before it came out. I started by reading ryo magazine, and thats how I came across the magnum.

I couldn't wait for it to come out, and when it finally did, I purchased one.
I followed the instructions, charged it overnite, and so on, and so on, and it did not work the way it did for doug. Thats when I searched for forums and found this one. I tried everything I could to make it work.Its really not that difficult of a machine. I watched your videos, and even tried your adjustments, but then, my machine broke. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, and I didn't even force anything.

I am not bashing this machine, I am just very upset because i really like it, I had high hopes for this, and still do. I am even considering to exchange it and try again.

You said there are other forums, can you tell me which ones other then ryo revolution? I did a google search, and can not find any other. I want to hear from those happy people.

As far as the people in this forum, you and wazmo are the only ones that has good running machine(notice I didn't say perfect).
As far as joanne, I think she is just bearing with hers.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008

uhhh david, I haven't even read your whole email but beg to differ on something
the majority of magnum users/owners here look to me to be unfamiliar new people (and nothing wrong with that, whatever draws a person into the foray) as opposed to biased ones from april
IMO all that matters is that you are having a joyful experience and what others think really shouldn't be too stressful

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

David, I agree with all your comments here beginning with the use dry tobacco, and your hypothesis on the flat spots! To me, everything you say is just common sense. I also want to thank you for the videos and pictures of the workings of the Magnum. I do honestly wish people would please quit attacking each other! The goal of this site is the education and enlightenment of those who choose our way of enjoying tobacco. It's not here to facilitate personal flamings and continuous negativity! I don't think it's fair to attack David for trying to help others and add useful content! It really bothers me to see things get this far out of hand here! Please, for the good of the site lets be civil, and work through these problems like mature adults. Capt Mike
No, I don't have a Magnum, and until I feel comfortable with the idea; through this site, and RYO Revolution, I won't. Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

Ditto on everything you said! I would hate to see Dave Lers drop the site over such as this.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

Yes Kerry, I too would hate to see Dave L. shut it down because it got out of hand, and a fire hazard, and a Buzzards Roost. If all the energy spent in thought on taking other's personal inventories were spent of problem solving--we'd be much better off! We have the talented people to make it happen! Lets stick to the matters at hand. Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

relax, just like real life, not everybody gets along all the time
I bet the forums fine......
just don't aim at Dave
careful wording so as not to offend anyone with (IMHO) care towards newer folks could go far......

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by ChasM on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

Being one myself.... I think "Geezer Roost" would have be a better choice of words. I'm disappointed in the seemingly ignorance of people of the MYO page...

Mr. Lers has been more than gracious host.

And to me, I just wish that most of commenters here would find another arena -- where to vent.

I just like to stuff my own cigarettes.

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Re: Magnum Injector(off/deletable)
Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

well I apologize another from me, but I hope you don't see me that way
I lost my self-control yesterday, but got it nuked quick
I try to encourage pleasantness as a rule and I certainly wasn't calling for more BS.....it just seems to be a rhythm of life if you are around long enough
we've been doing quite well actually.....considering the past that you have luckily avoided....
peace

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 07-Mar-2008

It's taken me a while to figure out the failure of the Magnum but I said rod failure all along. Here is how to fix the thing remove the top and go to side where the adjustment spring is which tightens up the roller wheel, take this adjustment screw all the way out and remove the small barrel which sits in center of spring and reinstall now you can tighten the wheel enough to stop the slippage, this small barrel limits how tight you may have the wheel, tobacco still must be fairly dry though.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 07-Mar-2008

Having loaded over one carton now with zero failure, seems the limit barrel under spring at adjusting screw was the problem, but further testing must be always performed. Stuffing is great seldom over stuffed and never to tight. one thing is for sure this machine uses less tobacco than filler slot in supermatic.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

well pete,
how's it going?
still working good?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

Yep so far Tony, I was in fear of overtightening but rod is staying straight. Perhaps the spring limit barrel was just a little too long.
Kindest regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008

If my machine was still working, I would of tried that.
Maybe on the next one if I decide to exchange it.
I'm waiting to hear from more people that purchased it.

Overall Pete, would you say its working as good as Davids?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

Tony mine is working but damn does anything work as good as Davids. God has assinged him the perfect machine.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

Tony here is the straight out truth does it work as good as anything out, NO the supermatic is still supreme but it's a handcrank, no electric machine yet has the ability to do what the supermatic can do. Now do I like the Magnum so far yes just hate waiting forever for the tobacco to dry enough to use in it, o well I suppose I could do like the British and toast the tobacco first. David has made an excellent video, don't know affiliation he has with company but seems awful defensive or maybe just full of shit looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
Kindest regards, Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

with no nastiness in my heart, I must say i was wondering the same thing...
had he not firmly stated that he bought the machine, and having known he'd been in contact with the company, my mind drifted to thoughts of "promo"??
it's just not going to be the big revolution, however may be just perfect for certain individuals....and I also wondered if the enthusiasm to prove it's worth might not even have frightened some (newcomers)
please, no offense intended, swear to god, just stating what it looks like from here

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

Sometimes I find this hard to believe, not only have I over and over again stated I have no affiliation with anyone, in the video I also stated that I had purchased the unit from American thrust.

If you all are going to talk Shit, at least do your homework and at least try to put some effort into it. I just can't for the life of me believe you even wrote that I might be scaring off newcomers with my enthusiasm. I suppose he would just rather have all the bullshit from Freddie who's never laid eyes on the god damn machine as the end-all and be-all of the subject.

In response to Pete the reason I am defending the machine is simple, there are so many people here some have it some don't who have been intent on trashing this machine since last April. You can't disagree with that if you do I can show you the links to the posts.

Until somebody has the balls and I mean balls to make a video that shows that the thing doesn't work, then you all can just kiss my ass and you can sit here on his puny little forum and shoot your messages back and forth speculating on whether it works or not, I don't care.

This is the reason that Stephane a.k.a. Magnum quit posting here, and is why this forum is becoming more and more irrelevant every moment. It's so easy for you guys to speculate and post anything without any proof whatsoever, well I put up the proof not once but twice.

So once again if you'll just want to sit here and bitch be my guest all you're doing is making this forum more irrelevant with every post.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

Damn your'e a defensive son-of -s bitch.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008

"If you all are going to talk Shit"

Cmon David, isn't that what you did with mark white?
You over exaggerated his comments and pissed him off. So now he left.

People are describing there bad/good experience with the magnum in detail, and thats great, because other people can than decide if they want to purchase one. Its like reading the reviews of a product before you buy it. But the way you come across, its as if the ones that are having trouble, are stupid, and they can't follow directions.

[snip]

Now, the videos and pictures are great, and most appreciated, but you seem to overdo it. It does seem like you are promoting there product. I have nothing against you, other than promoting the product too much.
I like your videos, you talk simple and make it look easy, and it was most helpful.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 07-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum InjectorHere's the facts Pictures included the carbon fiber rod is too small in compression causing tobacco to hang and compress on side of it, diaometer of this rod is one hundred eighty thousandths, does not come close to filling chanber when compressed, now look at pisture of steel rod which fills compression chamber when compressed but is to large for the internals of the driven wheel diameter of this steel rod is two hundred and forty five thousandths.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Ernest S Lipps.... If you broach/mill a 1/8 or 3/16 key-way the length needed in the cold rolled 1/4" rod and insert a nylon hobby rack toothed gear (32 or 48 pitch for example) into the slot and use matching spur gear.... could you make that work in place of the plastic rod?.... Just trying to think of a way to reduce friction load and wear as well as having the correct ram size to tube.

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New Magnum Movie
Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Here it is, the long-awaited sequel to the award-winning demonstration documentary, it dispels all the myths raised about the first video regarding looseness of tobacco in the tube. As well as a popular myth that I was somehow hiding made cigarettes on the left-hand side of the Magnum and not actually injecting any. Be prepared for the action-packed thrill ride of a movie,

FULL FRONTAL MAGNUM [link]

Four minutes of frenzied action and colorful commentary with nothing hidden or edited or anything else. Watch it, enjoy it, hate it, I don't really care, but the one thing it is not is fake or somehow manipulated.

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Re: New Magnum Movie
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

David,
Again, thanks for another good video.
I did it exactly the same way you had demonstrated on the video.
But my machine did not operate as good as yours.
I don't know, but maybe whoever assembled my machine, had a hangover.

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Re: New Magnum Movie
Posted by Mark White on Friday, 07-Mar-2008

I think the guy with the hangover did both of ours Tony. I'm certain I'll try this machine again after the bugs are worked out. Dave has shown that a well set up machine works like a charm.
Dave: I never doubted your first video but thanks for this one too.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Doug had mentioned that he returned the machine back to tsp.....well, I think David has it now.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

RYO Tobacco is offering the Magnum now for $169.00 plus $8.95 shipping. A bit more pricey than their competition.

[link]

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

I know shut up Pete, but I'm telling you rod failure

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Jeremy on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

I will be getting my Magnum today. Is there anything I should Know to keep this up and running. I see some of you are having troubles. What should I look for to try and prevent it.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Don't put any shake in it whatsoever. Check out Dave's video, it will show you the best way to load the chamber. He's seems to be doing about the best with his machine. I had to return mine, the rod became bowed and the performance degraded rapidly.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

[link]

Link to Dave's video.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Just updated my review page at

[link]

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....Don't open it........ don't even look at it!!
Just return it!!!
SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN!!!!!!

Only kidding. Hopefully you'll have good luck with it. Just keep us posted.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Alright Kennedy, where are you Dougie boy you intelligent genius are we all just a bunch of dummies that don't know what were doing? Are is this French Bitch built for persons of the Mensa Society only.
Pete

P.S. Never did have much faith in people who piss in sidewalk drains

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

Well, mine just bit the dust!!!
As I was injecting, it started to make a weird noise and then the push rod would only move back and forth just a little bit.
So I took it apart and found that the motor turns but not the drive gear.

So now I'm trying to decide weather to exchange it, or get a refund.
I hate to give up on it, because when it did work good, (not always) It did a nice job.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Wow, that was quick. At least it's new enough for you to get your money back. I returned mine, I figure I'll wait for the "new and improved" version. Or at least until they get final set up down a little better.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by dan b on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Re: Magnum Injectortony, if the motor's still turning but not the drive wheel, it's likely that the set-screw has loosened up. I'm attaching a drawing to this post that shows where you should look for the set-screw (23) that holds the drive wheel. You'll probably need a small allen wrench (metric) to be able to tighten the screw, I'd recommend applying some lock-tite 242 or similar to prevent it from backing out due to vibration in the future.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your input.
I thought so too at first on the set screw.
After I managed to get the rod out, I turned the machine on and was able to stop the drive wheel from turning without much force at all. As I was doing that, I was watching the center shaft to see if it was turning, thinking that maybe the set screw came loose. The center shaft did not turn either. So what ever coupling device they are using between the motor and shaft is week.

This could be another reason for rod slippage.

I do not see getting a years worth out of this machine.
All-though some of the parts appear to be good, there are others that are of cheap quality, the issue that I'm having for instance, not to mention the chamber door, mine is pitted, has indentations and part of it is pried up on the edges.

Also, why would you use a rod that flexes?
I'm still contemplating on getting another one, but can't make up my mind. I still have high hopes for this machine.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

I'm thinking of doing the same.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008

this was in reference to mark above. these reply links don't work too good.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Dave L on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008

The reply links work just fine, as do the parent links which take you to the post that yours is a reply to. The parent link is there precisely because the parent post isn't always obvious. If another reply to the parent generates a lot of replies, the next reply to the parent is going to be down the page a ways.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008

Thanks for clearing that up for me Dave.
I had a feeling I wasn't using them correctly.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

Are we the only ones that bought this machine so far?
It would be nice to know if anyone else has a perfectly running machine.
anyone.......anyone?

Mine for one...isn't.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

Mine still is fine.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Okay we've all complained and looked for solutions long enough on the magnum, folks let me say with extreme arrogance I'm one hell'va of mechanic. plainly stated the rod is going to have to be metal with some rubber or whatever coating so it will not wear flat spots causing slippage. I could go much deeper after having the complete thing apart and checking it out but the plain fact is rod failure.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

sounds like a dead ringin' bulls-eye to me (or close enough)
I had this thought that popped in my mind
when would it be the scholarly?? thing to send Dave a forward tester/promo?
when the business uses his forum.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Well I just did a check on mine, (well over 500 sticks now) and I couldn't get the rod out to examine it by eye, but i did use my fingers to run up and down the rod to see if there were any flat spots.

I could feel no deviation in surface texture of the rod. checked my other rod (which was in the machine for the first 20 or so) and no flat spots other than what should be there, (it is a 4 sided rod with beveled corners) I got the first rod out on day one to see how easy it would be to replace and cant remember how i did it.

the only way I can see developing flat spots would be motor wheel slippage for an extended period of time on the rod. If the rod is stopping and the motor is running this should be the first indication that ether the motor tension is too loose or the chamber was overstuffed. I cant see the rod stopping for any other reasons than that having used it now for almost a week.

I tightened my motor tension tight then backed off 1/2 turn and that seems to be the best after the first day experimenting. The tube release is backed out somewhat, that was after using different settings on that as well and the tighter it is the harder the smoke will be compacted and that would need to be adjusted to personal preference.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

David,
Being that yours is probably one of the best thats running right now, could you please let us know whenever yours starts to slip more than normal.

TSP most likely knows that this is a problem, thats probably why they put in an extra rod.

By the way, thanks for another good video.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Once the rod is all the way in the forward position, just pry back the micro switch tab gently, and the rod will pop out. (handle down and machine on)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

This was in reference to Dave's post above.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

I had the same thought Ernest. Maybe even some teeth in the rod and a gear drive (?) I never opened mine up before I returned it so I may be coming right off the wall here.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kent C on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Pete,

Along those lines, I'd recommend to anyone that has one, when the rod stops, flip the lever to stop it immediately and clear out the slot. You'll learn soon enough how much tobacco the slot will take. I've only had to do that twice in a carton and a half, but I started loading light to begin with and added as needed to get a full stuff. Once you get the right amount and right hydration the rod doesn't stop.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

I just want to make a final statement since I posted earlier
my attitude was about the appearance and then disappearance of Magnum on the forum, not the machine
my big mouth shuts here, I'm done, and that's it
peace
mc

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

I popped the top on mine today and did a look around, if I had to guess I would think it was made entirely of auto-parts. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining because it seems pretty robust and heavy-duty.

The wheel on the motor looks like a flint wheel on a zippo, in other words a metal wheel with grooves cut into it. The micro switches appear to be sealed and placed sideways with metal blades that make contact with the rod. So tobacco residue buildup really shouldn't be an issue with those.

All the wire seems to be 10 gauge heavy-duty automotive style, I will be taking pictures tomorrow and will put some of them out for comment. I would rather it be built out of good automotive parts than with flimsy specialty built components like what I've seen in other machines.

After 2 1/2 cartons run through it, I had very little tobacco dust inside. I do however after each use make sure the chambers empty and kind of shake it and let the dust fallout of the holes on the bottom.

I also discovered the easy way to remove the rod, with the machine on and the handle down just trip the micro switch on the right side and the rod will come right out on the left side.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

I forgot to add that after the initial battery charge, it hasn't been plugged in in three days and is still going after at least two cartons, I would say the first hundred or so the machine was plugged in so almost 2 cartons and like I said the battery showing no signs of weakness yet.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Monday, 03-Mar-2008

I spoke with a lady at American Thrust today about returning my Magnum. She was very helpful and friendly and told me I could return, exchange or whatever. American Thrust has given me good service throughout. I was tempted to just exchange it in hopes of getting one that has been set up correctly but my frustration level is still too high and I'm a little gun shy now. I'm going back to cranks for a while. I hope you all get your Magnum's cranking out stick after stick!
Hmmmm......anyone here tried the Royal Auto-Roller?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Hi Mark,

Yes, I have Royal-Auto-Roller, Take my advice don't get one, if you like hot cherry's falling in you lap or down your coat sleeve! I use to have a Top-O-Matic, sold it to a co-worker who wanted to start stuffing, he was willing to sell it back but I did not have the heart to have him give up his baby, so I used Royal-Auto Roller for about 5 weeks til I got my hands on the Magnum, my wife is happy with the quality smokes, my slipped a little when I first used it, so far it has performed great, just last night I stuffed 160 sticks, so far I stuffed over 600 sticks with no problem, we smoke about 4 packs a day, so I wanted a machine that would product a quality smoke, also my unit was set w/push rod installed, I don't understand why some came installed and some not. Good luck Mark

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Thanks for the advice Phil, I'll pass on it.
600 sticks, wow! I hope you're Magnum gives you good service for a good long time! I may try it again down the road. For now, it's back to manual labor with my crank.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 03-Mar-2008

If you are not mechanically inclined don't buy this machine.

Pete

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Re: bowed rod
Posted by tony a on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

I along with mark ended up with a bowed rod.
I ended up taking my machine apart to figure out why.
There is a tension screw on the bottom below the micro switch.
It puts tension on the rod so has to grip better. If there is too much tension, it will cause the rod to bow.

The rod rides on a big knurled drive wheel. Above the rod you have another assembly with a little free wheeling wheel(which is offset, not directly above the drive wheel) that rides on top of the rod. When you tighten the tension screw, it draws the top of the assembly down which puts more pressure on the rod, it sandwiches the rod, at the same time it bows the rod down.

I loosened up the tension screw, and found that the assembly did not go back up. I had to pry up the assembly in order to take off the tension. there is a spring that is supposed to drive the assembly back up, but it wasn't working. Now its just a matter of loosening up the nut that attaches the assembly. All of this was causing the rod to bow. after readjusting I found that it didn't jam as much. It still needs a little more tweaking.

Another thing I found, was that by loosening the screw under the brass nozzle, it helped to get fuller cigarettes, it really cut down on being under filled.

so mark, don't send yours back just yet.
Hope this helped.

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Re: bowed rod
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Thanks for the detailed description Tony. I'm hesitant to take mine apart for fear I wouldn't be able to return it. Also, some of the screw heads holding the bottom on look stripped on mine. If it were $50 instead of $150 I would feel like experimenting a little more. If I get stuck with the one I have I'll be doing just what you recommend. Thanks again and good luck with it!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Alright here's the skinny on all things new try it out cuss it out then sleep on it and try again to day after a nights sleep and decision making, wait till tobacco is almost dry (but not fully) feather the tobacco into chamber all the way across the chamber make real DAMN sure tube is pushed all the way on and this concoction and it will work like a charm. Sorry Dougie bout them Amazon herbs but dammit your'e never around when some needs you most, either get on with your smoking rag or shut the damn thing down.
Enough said bout you transplanted ole hippie fart
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

do you think he may have done ayahuasca when he went there??
nahhh, they say that's pretty spiritual

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

Doug kennedy from enjoying your past ramblings some great, some asinine I have come to the conclusion you are are full of your on bull s--t for describing this magnum as the latest and greatest. Perhaps you've discovered some herbs down there in the jungles.

Pete Lipps

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

I think doug was deceived along with the rest of us.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

It may just be that some were set up correctly and some weren't. David seems to be having pretty good luck with his. I can't even imagine rolling a carton with my machine. I just hope American Thrust takes this P.O.S. back.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

i just thought of something else
if DnR isn't offering these first machines (and I certainly don't know one way or the other) then that is also very telling, as they certainly could have chosen to......(remember they were involved in preliminary testing)
I am certain that Dave Brown absolutely got a better one than the majority

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by KL on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

That's not what Dave brown says on this subject. If your having problems talk to Dave brown and I'll bet it will be ironed out

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

are you responding to my post or is it happenstance that it's under mine??
what does Dave Brown have to do with DnR??
further, don't you think Dave's is a bit newish yet??

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

1 i am not new or newish

2. i have no connections with any myo entity

3. i have been injecting for years and have been posting here for at least a year.

and finally 4. here is the video i promised and you all can take it for what it is. [link]

Having worked in business all my adult life i know how easy it is for the customer to experience "blame transference" I.E its got to be the products fault because i cant be to blame.

My parents used to tell me "if you need a hand, first look at the end of your own arm" and i may be a bit more self reliant than most. I have always said that if the magnum does 60% of what Doug's video showed than it would blow away a crank. Guess what? it does and i did 21 kings in 4:24 as the video will show.

Now am I better? maybe who knows, am I luckier? I got some loosing lottery tickets to backup my claim to the fact that isnt the case. Do I just pay more attention and do things carefully? absolutely. and lastly do I suffer from blame transference? never!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by dave z on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Not only was that fast, but the sticks looked really well stuffed as well! Very impressive, am now thinking of getting one...the wife wants one anyways. :)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

unfortunately I think most of us including myself want a perfect machine and I was saying your machine is new, not you
and as I stated before and I meant it, I think you are a good person for this especially if it's 60% not a hundred

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

nix that
just make the damend thing work good for everyone so there are happy campers

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

well Mike there isnt anything that is "perfect" this has been my entire point going back to the Vaporware debate. I would love to have a factory and a commercial cigarette machine but then i would get regulated like they do.

The design is sound, The machine is sound, if we attack like sharks at every new design well guess what, there will be no new designs. It is an improvement on the crank machine, a very big improvement and it is a huge step forward in MYO technology.

but some folks on here just seem to want to trash the thing going back 8 months before it was released or anyone (but Doug or anyone else at tobacco expo 07) ever saw one physically. You have been on here long enough to know what I am talking about.

There were posts that the design was flawed, it was vaporware, it woiuldnt work, it wouldnt do this or that, months ago. What really chaps my butt is the vast majority of those saying those things still dont own one today.

I got my machine on friday a day or two after most of the others. I have run close to 400 sticks so far and it doesnt show any signs of slowing down.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

David, I am not trashing the Magnum, but you made a key statement in the video that makes the Magnum not for certain people. You said it doesn't have ANY tolerance for over hydrated or shake tobacco.

IMHO, most of the problems people have in stuffing with any machine is not taking proper care of the tobacco, especially as to hydration.

With that in mind, I don't know if I would call the Magnum a major improvement for most people over a crank or hh. Although your speed was impressive, I have timed myself on my supermatic and can make 20 perfect sticks in under 5 minutes although speed is not really an issue or the objective for me.

Thanks for the video! Maybe your review will let some folks know they want one and keep the people who want a machine that does it all, plus wax the cat, from buying one and being disappointed.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Dave, the design and machine may be sound but mine does not perform the same way yours does in the video. I have no interest either in any stuff your own entity. You'll have to admit that some may have been set up correctly and some not. It was not my intention to attack the Magnum, just give my impressions of my experience with it. I realized it would take some time to learn it but the machine actually started to slip half way through it's cycle (with a light load of tobacco) after about 3 packs and now my carbon fiber rod is bowed quite badly. From the video, yours looks like it performs great, I wish I could say the same about mine.
Thanks again for taking the time to make the video.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Smoth on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Nice vid, MD. Appreciate the look see.
These look like a good solution for those wanting a faster injector.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Nice job David. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. The first thing I noticed was that your push rod was nice and straight, mine is bowed now (quite substantially). I don't believe my machine was set up correctly. I've decided to stick with my cranks for now and return the Magnum. I hope this machine works out for others as well as it did for you.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Smooth on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

The rods are bowed?
What are they made of and do you know they didn't arrive in that condition?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

The rods are straight to begin with. Mine became bowed over a period of about 3 packs. Dave said they are made of carbon fiber, I'm taking his word on that.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Freddie on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

I can do on average of 8 to 10 seconds per stick with my SupermaticII and hopper attachment.... up to 2 packs before refilling hopper.... you do the math (thats 3 min average per pack).
Not brag.... just fact.... And you don't have to be a professional with years of experience to do that either.... For $150, I would think a new machine would make up for lack of RYO experience.
Nice thing about a video is ..... you can do re-takes until you get it right.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by KL on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Looks like the bent rod is the answer here, just guessing, I don't have one

Now Fred,
      why would you say something like that ?
"Nice thing about a video is ..... you can do re-takes until you get it right"

That's calling someone misleading,
   Dave B. has no reason to mislead us ?
                        (Lets play nice. Unless this is a penis size contest of course)
it's a tobacco injection machine that someone has figured out, so far.
I can't wait for there to be returned machines, so I can swoop in on that action at a reduced price.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by KL on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Wazmo N. Gave it a positive review also, He clearly likes it, and it didn't take him all that long to get used to it.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

oh like wow man, I didn't even notice that Wazmo has got one
I must dig back to read that
I bet he also, like David, could be quite a help if we could just keep him in America for 5 mins

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

I didn't post a review of it here. But it is an excellent machine. Very easy to use, no tamping required. I can spew out 18 sticks (I'm using those Smoky cases) in about 3 minutes 20 seconds...not earth-shatteringly faster than a Supermatic, but slightly. The main point is it's easier to use, it produces consistent results each and every time and no weird little cams, springs, etc. to fetish over.

I can also verify that David's video is quite indicative of how simple and fast it is. I can also verify that even a noob can use the thing. I had a friend over who has never made an RYO or MYO smoke in his life, and yet was jammin' on the Magnum almost immediately (I made him read the maual first and let him watch me do one).

Is it worth the extra $110 over a Supermatic? That's a judgement call. Is an iPhone worth the extra $200 or more over a low-end Nokia? I like the Magnum so far, and will give the Supermatics a well-deserved rest for awhile.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mike c on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

no review here but elsewhere???
ahh well I'll just leave that alone and it would take 10 of those machines to equal the 45 single I bought for 150.00 so no tears here
great to see you chime in!!!! : )

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

BTW, mine came with the rod uninstalled, but the manual explains how to install it (albeit under the "maintenance" heading, which isn't really intuitive).

The only way I can see the rod getting bent is if the machine was jammed and someone kept trying to ram it anyway. I'm not saying that's how those who are complaining about that issue here are ddamaging their rods, but it is tthe only way I can see it happening. Like *every* crank machine, the instructions for the Magnum clearly state "use dry tobacco only" and "do not force a jammed machine." It most certainly doesn't like shake or over-moist tobacco, but again, the instructions are clear about that.

I'm not sure why some machines are shipped with the rod installed and some are not; maybe someone can ask the manufacturer....

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Monday, 03-Mar-2008

I have enough sense not to try ramming a jammed machine once it has started slipping. I found that even a little shake in the chamber along with the tobacco would jam mine. For others: When these guys say the machine has 0 tolerance for shake they mean 0! Also, my tobacco was very dry when I tried the machine. The first few cigarettes made on my machine turned out nicely, then the machines performance degraded from there, gradually bowing the rod. Mike C seems to have found the problem with a return spring but I feel I should not have to start overhauling a brand new machine. Maybe I'm a spoiled consumer..........

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Monday, 03-Mar-2008

Correction: it was Tony A that discovered the spring problem (sorry Tony)

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

That's great, I am guessing your tobacco must be short cut or low moister content? or you must be moving content in hopper to keep tobacco from packing up?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008

Hey Dave dude,
I liked your video you looked like a fat Obama.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

Obama I ain't seen you one thing different than the rest of us has done.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

What do you want Pete? You want me to lie and say mine dont work to make you feel better? Mine is still chugging out smokes, I did have to plug it in today to recharge so it only does about 420 or so on a charge the @#$@#$ng POS!

There does that make you feel better? All I did with the video was record myself making smokes and I get pure hostility. Well it isnt my job to commit time to make a step by step in-depth video or to do anything else.

But I am not going to jump on the "I hate the magnum" bandwagon just because most other people do. I never run with the crowd and probably never will. The video is what it is, wasnt done to instruct or to sell or to do anything but show that the machine works as advertised and that was it.

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Mark White on Friday, 29-Feb-2008

This machine has not lived up to my expectations at all. It jams super easy with the least bit of shake. I was using Kentucky Select tobacco. It seems to be well made but doesn't perform like the video on RYO site. Maybe the proto was finely tuned for the demo video. It's hard to get tubes on the brass nozzle and very hard to gage how much tobacco is in the chamber as it is too narrow to feel with your fingers.
I'm calling American Thrust tomorrow to see about returning it. I'll post here to let you know how that goes.

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Re: Day Two
Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

I hate to disagree but here's a link to my thoughts on the Magnum

[link]

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Mark White on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

I'm glad it's working out for you. I have tried several methods of loading the chamber, including your method of gently pushing the tobacco into the chamber. I almost always seem to get a jam or an under filled stick. Perhaps mine wasn't set up correctly to begin with (?) I agree the nozzle isn't a big deal, just an irritation. My wife uses Premier 100's and had a particularly hard time with putting tubes on. Perhaps I'm being impatient but it just doesn't do the job for me.

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Phil on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

I have to agree with David Brown, I been stuffing for almost 2 months, stated with Top-O-Matic, Royale-Auto-Roller and now the Magnum, but using smaller amounts of tobacco in chamber will produce an under filled tube, just slip back on nozzle(completely) and load a another small amount and it fill to the end of tube, just work with it it will pay off before for you know it. Thanks Phil

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Thanks for the tip Phil but my machine is packed up and ready to send back. It got to the point where it would slip every time. Maybe I got a lemon.
I don't think I want to get into stuffing each tube twice.

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Phil on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008

Mark,

Sorry to hear you are giving up, I can say at this point contacting manufacture or supplier first via e-mail and would be sure support of Magnum - because good customer support is important to their future of their business, correct or not? I can honestly say that I'm a Newbie and because of all the input from site has gave me more reason to start SMO , come on people it's new ------   work on it OK, we can do it!!

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Re: Day Two
Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

Don't know what to say about Pete's post, as far as a finely tuned demo for the video, I will be doing a video in the coming days with mine Like I have done in the past with the super and excel.

Stay Tuned To This Frequency For More info!!!

Dave Brown

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Re: Day Two
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008

David, I think what people are suggesting is that Doug Kennedy got a machine that was gone over and tweaked by the engineers at Magnum; knowing Doug would give favorable publicity to their product if he had good experience with the Magnum. I for one am glad to see your video, and hear/read your thoughts on the Magnum, and I may just buy one, after all, but I'm in no hurry. Actually, I'm having a good time with the $21 EXP-1000 yet; which also makes a perfect smoke once you get through the short learning curve. Again, thanks for the detailed lookie-see, and if I do decide to buy one, it will be in part from your good efforts here! Capt Mike

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Disappointed
Posted by tony a on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

Well I was disappointed.
(1) I wasn't sure if the on/off button is suppose to light up when you turn it on, if its suppose too, well, mine doesn't. Also, how would you know if its charging? There is no indicator light.

(2) the push rod started slipping before i had finished injecting my first pack. the motor turns but the push rod stops and slips midway.
I.m going to try again tomorrow. (very frustrated now)If it still slips I'm going to return it.

(3) The tubes have to be in very good shape, or they won't go on. Its a very tight fit.

Overall it does a good job of injecting once you get the right amount of tobacco in it. Its going to take some practice, more than with a hand crank.
I'm glad I still have my top-o-matic!!!

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

I too am not thrilled with this machine (so far). In my 2 pack experience I found it jambs easily when filled slightly too much and produces an under filled cigarette when slightly too little tobacco is used. I had 4 or 5 rejects in a period of 1 pack. With the narrow tobacco chamber it's hard to get a 'feel' of how much tobacco is actually in the chamber. I can roll pack after pack of perfect cigs with my cranks and ended up finishing my session with my Premier. I'm considering returning it but will give it another try tomorrow. I will report back.

By the way, American Thrust provided me with excellent service
so far......confirmation email and tracking number. I had the product very quickly and it was packaged nicely

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

mark,
did the push rod slip on you?

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

Tony: Yes, and it seemed the more I used the machine the more frequently it slipped, even when filling the chamber with what I thought was a consistent amount of tobacco..

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

mark,
check out the bottom of your push rod. mine was flattened out, and therefore lost its bite. this would explain why it only works for a short time until the push rod gets damaged. most likely it wasn't adjusted right at the factory.

also when i toke out the push rod to rotate it, the rod was slightly curved. So now the rod is junk. Because of being curved, it won't push back the micro switch enough to engage the motor. I had to slightly push the rod towards the micro switch each and every time to make a cigarette. I installed the new rod, injected a few more, and then it started to slip again, and i didn't even over stuff it, then it seemed as if the battery was already draining because the motor started to bog down, and i didn't even inject 2 packs yet(i charged it 12 hrs prior to use)

Everything has to be done perfectly and cautiously with this machine.
At $150.00, this machine is definitely not worth it. A hand crank would blow this thing away.   

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

possibly too, the reason why the bottom flattened out was due to the rollers spinning on it because it couldn't push the tobacco. Maybe they need to re-modify the push rod. Wet or dry tobacco wouldn't matter if they made a stronger grip on the push rod.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

Sounds to me like the tension on the motor is way too tight. That's a carbon fiber pushrod, it would take a lot to damage it. I am well over a carton and I'm not seeing any of the issues listed here.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by tony a on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

There QC dept. doesn't appear to be doing a good job. People are receiving machines that are not properly adjusted and not having the push rod installed. We are paying a lot of money for this machine, We shouldn't have to go through all this trouble.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

David: Maybe you were luckier than us and got one that was set up correctly. It's possible that TSP was in such a hurry to bring the product to market that the QC was neglected a bit. I'm leaning towards believing that, especially after reading here that some rods weren't installed in the machines at all.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Mark White on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008

My rod seems curved too now.
"Everything has to be done perfectly and cautiously with this machine" That's a good description of my situation also. American Thrust wasn't in today, I'll call them Monday and report back how I'm treated. I'm sending my Magnum back. Too bad, I had high hopes for it.

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Installing push rod
Posted by John Pearson on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

Hi JoanneP

I just got my machine today and am having issues.
A rod was installed, which came out when I tried to fill a cig.
Can't seem to get a rod installed.
I am pretty good mechanically, usually.

Any suggestions?

Thanx
John P

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Re: Installing push rod
Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

Hi JohnP-I understand your frustration as I was in the same boat yesterday. To be honest, I m not exactly sure what I did right before the rod finally went in. Try these steps in various order:
loosen compression spring with the provided Allen Key, push the metallic clip (near microswitch) to the rear of unit & insert the rod,
turn machine off, turn machine on (toggle back & forth), raise & lower the handle, firmly press the rod towards the chamber...while holding unit on lap (nozzle side on lap) The rod is only inserted from the right side of machine. I kept the unit plugged in during this
procedure to eliminate the variable of a possible low battery. I am
also pretty good mechanically but whoa....I feel your pain ...ya just want to get started filling those tubes. Keep us informed. JoanneP

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Magnum Injector-1st Day of use
Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

After a very rocky start (my rod was not installed before shipping) I sucessfully filled almost a carton of 1/2 Kings and 1/2 100's. I agree with Kent C that the nozzle is more embedded than my Supermatic...and the tube really has to be inserted quite far. More than a couple of tips were bent/torn/damaged while getting used to twisting the tubes on. The adjustment screw for the nozzle on my machine is square & could not be turned with the provided Allen Key-however it worked on the stop sign shaped screw adjustment for the compression spring when installing the pushing rod. ODD.   I experimented with 3 different brands of tubes...one which was 100mm. The best/easiest were of the largest diameter and were the King size tubes. I luckily found in my toolbox the correct sized nut driver to adjust the nozzle screw. A 1/2 turn made putting the tubes on easier.

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Re: 1st Day of use- continued
Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

Guess it will take more practice in getting the right amount of tobacco...although it was great when a 3/4 full tube could be re-inserted and just add more to fill to the tip. When I used "the perfect" amount of tobacco I could fill a tube nice & firm without
cutting or tapping. I will update after my next session with the Magnum. -JoanneP

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Re: 1st Day of use- continued
Posted by David Wilson on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

Thank's JoanneP,
for the Magnum update.. I do appreciate you, sounds like the Magnum has a learning curve like the rest of the manual machines.. Looks like you really know your way around the toolbox haha.. You done a great job on the installation and adjustment, keep up the good work..

.. David ..

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Monday, 25-Feb-2008

I ordered one on Friday 22nd and can not wait, I have been rolling now for about 7 weeks, had Top-o-matic and electric unit I should of kept the Top-o-matic, can't wait for The Magnun!!!! should be here Weds or Thurs of this week, I will post on how the unit performs.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

I got my Magnum last night, put on charger and now using it today, I'm stuffing 100 mm, not sure why it is only filling tube about 3/4 of way? Will be contacting American Thrust today by e-mail, will post any info I receive

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Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

Hi Phil,

Did you have trouble installing the pushing rod? I got mine yesterday and charged for the recommended 12 hrs. Thought I was ready to go .....but cannot for the life of me install the pushing rod. I loosened the screw of the compression spring and pushed back (and held) the metallic blade of the inside microswitch. Just how firmly did you push the rod in the direction of the chamber?? I don't want to damage the machine or the rod. Did you re-tighten the screw? Perhaps you will reply faster than the response I am expecting via email from Magnum Injector. Thanks Much- JoanneP

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Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
Posted by dan b on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

I don't' have one, so can't say for sure but from studying the diagrams it appears to me that you should expect a fairly significant resistance when you insert the pushing rod.

Just be sure the machine is OFF. You will be back-driving the gearing and motor, so give it a firm push. Just be sure to keep the arm of the micro-switch clear of the end of the arm.

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Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
Posted by Phil on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

Hi Joanne,

My machine had the rod installed, and no adjustments had to made. I did let my charge 12 hrs. well I'm sorry to hear that yours wasn't installed, but now you just gain more hands on knowledge, I did open my up to check componets inside, cute setup w/ all those little mirco switches inside, but tb would go inside unit over time @ lever area, nozzle is different than my hand crank, and I like the way it stuffs a cigarette, my electric stuffer was semi ok but don't miss the cherrys falling off down my wifes coat sleeve, she is happy again, I started reading on this site about 7 weeks ago and learned alot about tb & stuffing and lot of good ideas out there from everyone. Hope you enjoy yours, I do - a new toy to toy with. Thank you Phil

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Kent C on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

I got mine today and just plugged it in and started using it. The rod was already installed. I made no adjustments. It takes some getting used to but I was able to load 5 packs fairly easily. I've smoked about a half of a pack so far and the cigs are burning uniformly just like with supermatic stuffs (which was not the case with the Quick Roller - spiralled and falling cherries).

I have hydrated tobacco which it seems to load well - showing @69% on the hygrometer but I began getting some problems as the tobacco dried out - messing around more than usual, so it was sitting out longer. But I like the way the rod 'taps' the very end, no 'cutting or thumbnailing' needed, and it does a pretty good pack at the filter end - a bit less packed than I get with the Premiere Super but then I hold the tube on the nozzle during the stuff phase to get a good pack on that, which isn't needed or feasible with the magnum. I don't see this as a problem - there's enough there to hold up the tube and I rarely had to tap the cigarette after the load.

The problem I was getting with the dryer tobacco was probably 'too full' in the slot. I wasn't tamping it in but more was getting in. One thing about the slot is that it is longer although narrower than the Super, so I had to adjust to that. One could easily overstuff by tamping and you'll get a slug of tobacco at the nozzle that doesn't make it into the tube. This happened about 4 times in the five packs but mainly toward the end. Part of that may have been a tube not fully seated to the hilt of the nozzle.

One thing that I didn't like so much, but which Excel people might not find so difficult, is the nozzle being embedded more into the machine's shell than the supermatic. The angle cut of the nozzle is from the top to the bottom and a bit different on the habit of 'angling the tube' on the nozzle but one just has to develop a new habit. I'm also working it opposite the supermatic - nozzle on the right now, so I can still use my square 'cracker' plastic box to feed the tobacco onto the machine well.

fyi - I'm using a 3-1-1 mix of Rowland Light, McClintock Light, and McClintock Menthol so it's a 'semi-shag' mixture. Haven't tried straight shag or anything else yet.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008

Well learn as we go, seems filling the 2/3Rd's from left side or tube side working best so far every now and then getting a tube not fully filled just re-stuff it no problem. Like the supermatic time and practice will solve all conditions, can tell you one thing right now though, beats hell out of the easy roller actually no comparing the two.

Kindest regards Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 29-Feb-2008

Thanks Pete for your observations! The only real bitch I had with the Quick Roller is that if by chance it quit feeding for an instant and restarted - you ended up with stick that the cherry may fall out of. I hope you remember our experiences with the QR, and hopefully be on guard for new problems with the Magnum. I'm still working on the EXP 1000 project, so I'll let you to your work on the Magnum. Keep up the good work--everyone who has ventured to buy a Magnum! Your experiences and comments are needed here; so others can decide whether to buy one or not. Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008

I have ran about 25 tubes thru the magnum and so far not very impressed, it hates any moisture, and anything that resembles shake. But still in learning curve so will wait and see.
Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Freddie on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008

Ernest Lipps.... since you are one of the respected members/visitors on this site..... I hope the magnum works out for you and I will wait to hear your future comments.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by mrscsi on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

I have also ordered mine and it should be here Friday. I personally can't wait to get my hands on this injector. I don't know where Ernest lives and what kind of humidity levels he has to deal with. But out here in southeast Arizona I shouldn't have to deal with many.

Our daily smoke is Sagamore long cut, we generally have to let it dry for 10 to 15 minutes anyway before injecting with the supermatic c model. And I figure I'll do the same or maybe let it dry little more for the Magnum. I also plan on using a little more D&R tobacco each month, and Mark's tobacco is truly the finest moisture wise that can be had for any injector.

I'll keep everybody posted

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Phil on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008

I agree the Magnum does not like moisture, I had problems with the TB not filling to the top of tube, I will have to get use to it I guess, packs a cig pretty good, machine operators very smooth and quiet also pretty fast too, will post as I get better.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by American Thrust Tobacco on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008

We have this machine in stock and ready to ship.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008

Posting an informative comment as American Thrust is fine, posting pro American Thrust comments as Lisa and "Tobacco is my hobby" (since Sept '06) isn't.

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 22-Feb-2008

It's just $3 less than I paid for my Quick Roller. I truly hope they send you one to evaluate. They say a good old fashion skull bustin headache is healthy now and then! But all I've noticed is my hat size seems to have lost a half inch. Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 22-Feb-2008

Ok Mike,

Bit the bullet and just ordered Magnum from American-Thrust, had an email in at D&R but first on the line sells the cookies. Hope its as described or look out EBAY.

Pete

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008

Good deal Pete! Just keep in mind that we need all the info we can get here; so others can decide whether or not to buy one. Personally, if I don't have one to run; I'd rather listen to someone I know personally, like you, before I decide one way or the other. Now that you've had the experience with the Quick Roller, you aught to be able to do a fine review on the Magnum. For my part, any machine that costs over fifty or sixty bucks and I will come here first to see what folks here think before I lay down the greenbacks! Hell, come to think of it--I check everything out here I'm interested in anyway! Capt Mike

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Re: Magnum Injector
Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 18-Feb-2008

Magnum's manual now on-line
[link]

Pete

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