Magnum Injector
A forthcoming electric injector expected to retail for under $150. Doug at RYO Magazine reports that 200 of these machines will reach the US in a month or two and 10,000 in in the first half of '08. There's no mention of where they will be sold. Doug has a review (near the bottom of the page) and a video (wmv). Thanks to HeyPockyWay for the news.
Sep '07: Thanks to Dash I found a bunch of WIPO documents (mostly French) including a rendering of the internals. Magnum writes that there is still a lot of work to do before the Magnum will be available to the public.
Dec '07: The front page of the Magnum Injector site is now online (tkx Mike) and it states that the machine will be available in March '08. Tobacco Speciality Products Inc. (TSP) is located in Montreal (Quebec, CA) and appears to be, at least partially, owned by the machines inventor, Jean-Pierre Bajouet.
Feb '08: The Magnum is available from American Thrust and D&R. Folks are starting to report their experiences with the machine (some copied over from the MYO Magnum page). OT posts (not reviews or information related to the Magnum) deleted (again).
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008
Well been playing with this machine since American Thrust released them, after lots of adjustments and letting the tobacco dry for about 1 hour from 65% humidity it will start to load tubes, usually have to let up on release handle 2 or 3 times before it will complete cycle on loading tube, batteries barely last thru 3 1/2 packs, noticed one thing though, as batteries were slowing down machine it would load tube completely without having to raise release handle, as if slower speed gave the tobacco time to make a proper compression for entering the tube correctly.
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Kindest Regards, Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Kent C on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008
Pete,
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My experience is similar - letting up on handle to get a full stuff. I haven't used my second rod yet. I suspect that it will do fine for a while then get to this point. When new, I had virtually no problems once I got it down and that lasted for about 15-20 cartons and then the rod was stopping, grinding. If they packaged about 10 new rods at a low price, I think I'd be good with that. I probably chewed up the first rod by not stopping early enough but I'm still using it. Have rotated it 90, once - about ready for another rotation. Still I'm getting good stuffs, not over or under packed and no falling cherries. Occasionally, say once a pack, I'll get a half stuff and it will pump the tube off to where I have to tap it, and stuff it the rest of the way.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 06-Apr-2008
Pete,
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Did you notice 2 of the mods. that tsp is going to do.
1: Reduce the diameter of the brass nozzle. Which is fine.
2: Make the chamber opening bigger. I don't get it. If the machine has a problem with pushing the tobacco now, what do you think is going to happen when they make the chamber bigger?
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 07-Apr-2008
Tony,
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From my experience gearing the motor to a slower speed and giving it more pushing power would help more.
Kindest regards, Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Monday, 07-Apr-2008
Pete,
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Try this on your machine, and think...chamber alignment.
If the rod is bowing down a bit has it enters the chamber, it could possibly hit the lip on the bottom of the chamber,(the rod has beveled edges to avoid the lips) which is why you have to toggle the handle up and down to complete the cycle.(it moves the rod away from the lip)
Loosen up the screw on the right side of stationary chamber door, push down on the right corner of the chamber door as far as you can, and tighten.
See if that helps. It made a big improvement on mine.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 10-Apr-2008
increased pressure increases friction.... increases load.... increases power demand.... increases watt demand..... increases battery demand..... increased battery heat.... DECREASES time between recharges.... increased recharge cycles DECREASES battery life.
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Now, we all know what happens to an electric motor when it is overloaded.... yea, it overheats.... Increaseing the load on drive components increases the load on the motor to the point that if it exceeds the rated capacity of of the motor it overheats the motor and DECREASES THE LIFE OF THE MOTOR/BEARING LIFE and which call for even more power which causes even more heat... etc.
Now I wonder, could any of these adjustments have an effect on the warranty of the machine ?.... One thing I do know ... it certainly is not going to make the machine last any longer.... Anyway, if you give the Magnum a rest this summer while waiting for the humidity to fall, might help the magnum through it's warranty period before it rolls over belly up.
- Re: Magnum Injector Problems and Fix.
- Posted by Gart50 on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2008
Tobacco Outfitters currently have Magnum Injectors. We received 48 machines in mid-March. Prior to selling any machine, we tested each machine. We found that perhaps half of the machines did not work properly out of the box. Over the past 3 weeks, we have torn apart and re-adjusted the machines and the machines we are selling work very well indeed.
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The major problems are largely QA/QC problems such as missing screws, loose screws, missing bearings, non-functioning adjustments and such. If...and it's a big if, TSP is able to get proper QA/QC, this machine will transform the MYO market. Don't forget, this first order of only 200 machines nationwide should be considered a beta test. We at Tobacco Outfitters are pleased to have been chosen for this test marketing. We will be passing on our findings to both Doug Kennedy and TSP.
Best Regards,
Bruce K. Gartner
Tobacco Outfitters LLC
- Re: Magnum Injector Problems and Fix.
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 03-Apr-2008
I hope beta testing means I can get a very fair trade-in.
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Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
OK, here go's.
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When my second machine arrived, I charged it a full 12 hrs.(didn't even turn it to on)
I started to inject, and was reliving the experience I had with my first machine. It jammed and gave me 3/4 sticks, and I started with little tobacco. I tighten the spring compression, used little tobacco, got a 3/4 stick, added just a little bit more tobacco(dry, but not overly) on my next stick, and then jam. I went to adjust the tension under brass nozzle, guess what? NO SCREW! It was a nightmare, so I stopped and emailed TSP.
Following day I decided that I would try one more time. I opened it up and tried Pete's adjustments, still nothing. Looking at the chamber, I still noticed that the chamber door that moves, is still cocked. So I decided to loosen up the screw(behind the door on the right side, facing the machine) that attaches the stationary door, and placed a washer(about 1/16 of an inch) in between the chamber and base, and then re-tighten. This ended up drawing the right side of the door down a bit. I started to inject, and it made a big difference on this machine. 6 packs, I was a happy camper! I would get some slippage from time to time, but nowhere near what I was getting. I guess I didn't need the screw under the brass nozzle, it worked fine without it. Maybe a diff. brand of tubes might be a problem.(I use premier) If thats the case, then I'll put in a screw.
FYI: You have to work the tobacco. Its very important on this machine.
If its a long strand, you have to break it up to shorter pieces. If its moist, stick it under a lamp for a few minutes to dry it out, but not to dry where its hard.
I use 2 tobaccos:
Gambler: lenght is good, but it had to be dried.
Windsail platinum : Long strand, needed very little drying.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
Great Tony:) I think if the adjustments are right on the machine it makes a HUGE difference. They have been passed on to TSP and they are aware. the tube release is more about hardness of pack of the cigarette and if your like me i dont like em rock hard so my screw is backed out anyway so not having one probably wont be detrimental.
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Welcome to the "lucky magnum owners group" :)
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
David,
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You have no idea how relieved I am. From seeing your demonstration and how well your machine was performing, I knew there had to be some adjustments that were off. This machine does have a lot of potential and thats why I didn't want to give up. Although it still needs some work, Its not as bad as what it used to be. Hopefully Tsp will take care of us with there new modification.
tony
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
Inside Brass nozzle opening is .279 or two hundred seventy nine thousandths, My small bore gauges will expand inside compression chamber but then I'm unable to remove and check diameter, but I believe it may be smaller then brass nozzle as it should be. TSP please keep at this machine and I truly believe the complaints read here will start to disappear, so far beats hell out of cranking.
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Kindest regards, Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
My take on the Magnum after ripping it apart and putting it back together again is the possibilities of beating the Crank machines are there. Lots to learn though for an old hand cranker, drier tobacco, less tobacco in slot, something is still lacking though only very slightly, every once in a while you get a jam although you have done everything right, by letting up slightly on handle an restarting it will usually finish filling tube. I feel sure company will work on this problem. Little things I have noticed after taking apart the two steel compression slides, one seemed to have a couple of machine marks inside, they were not scratch's but machine marks, this could possibly cause some binding of the tightly compressed tobacco. the other was unless the Phillips head adjustment stop screw was set just right it allowed the chamber to slightly open after complete closure this was definitely a no no and quickly caused jamming, The company specs. and complete quality control over the the correct amount of compression for tobacco entering tube must be smaller then tube to complete cycle is absolutely vital to success of this machine. according to an email from company adjustment screw with spring should be tightened all the way down and then (quoting them back off 2 half turns) I interpret that to mean back off one full turn. The machine is getting easier and easier to use probably will work even easier to a person who has never used a hand crank. So far I'm quite fond of this machine as interest in any machinery is fascinating to me please TSP don't give up you are on the verge of stuffers greatnest.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
I dont think TSP is giving up they are making some mods and are actually listening to the consumer. They are also working on a tighter qc system that will help as well.
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I for one will probably redo one or both of the videos to make them more of a actual training type tool.
What we got Pete were some of the first 200 from what I have been able to gather and later models will incorporate some of the things we have discovered and have tweaked on ours.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
I can also report that replacement rods should be available soon from the resellers and directly from TSP. They will come in packs of 5 and should be about $5.00 +$2.00 shipping but the price at the reseller may vary slightly.
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I will report more when I know it
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
David that sounds real good, next problem though what will we do for updated and better machines than we already have :-))...
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Kindest regards, Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2008
the mods that have been mentioned to me have to do with opening the flashing behind the handle and a smaller diameter nozzle both can be accomplished by us fairly easy. the nozzle would just take a little sanding the flashing may take a bit more work. I use zen tubes so dont find them to be too tight so the nozzle isnt an issue for me.
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the flashing will open the chamber slightly more and i think you mentioned it before :)
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Monday, 24-Mar-2008
Has American Thrust already quit selling the magnum or maybe just out of stock?
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Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 24-Mar-2008
American thrust only had 48 and sold them out and they are waiting for their next shipment. That's the latest news from there as of last week.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2008
I must have gotten there last one. It seems has if as soon as I received it, they ran out. That was a close call. I'm glad I exchanged it when I did.
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I have to admit, there shipping was excellent.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 23-Mar-2008
I sent tsp an email.
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Need I say more?
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
Magnum Injector reports and discussions sure went by fast.
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Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
just the calm before at least some breeze
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this is the time of testing hold up (a guess, a hunch, could be furthest from any truth)
plus surely somebody willl vocalize something
maybe you and David made them all work seamlessly??
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Phil on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
Yes we are having a storm, the Magnum working great, still using the original rod with no problems! Stuffed well over 1000 sticks, hope everyone still having good luck with yours, beats the heck out of the ol' crank, the crank are OK! Mark must have stuffed close to a 1000 sticks too or more, how about ya Mark!
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
Mine just came in today, and is being charged.
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I'M AFRAID TO TRY IT!!!
So far, the handle feels kind of sloppy.
Drum roll.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
If the handle feels sloppy you might want to check the handle adjustment that Pete posted here. just slide the handle down until the chamber is closed and then just back out the screw to that point. It defiantly makes a difference.
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I would recommend checking all 3 adjustments rod,release and handle before using it to any extent.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 21-Mar-2008
David,
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When you received your machine, did you adjust your tension to the setting that you had indicated, or was it set that way from the factory.
I noticed Pete's findings, and it looks like I might have to make some adjustments. My chamber door seems a little more cocked then my first machine. It appears like its going to be bottle necking. I won't know until I start to use it.
I haven't tried my machine yet(in fact, I haven't even turned it on)its still charging.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 22-Mar-2008
I am not sure if it was that way or not to be truthful I have had the rod out and in a number of times and have to loosen and tighten etc. Probably wouldnt hurt to check all 3 adjustments prior to use
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2008
The Magnum is now being sold on E-Bay for $155 including shipping, out the door! Here is the [link]
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2008
It's almost funny that a machine shop would be engaged in selling electric tube stuffers, CHARNEY MACHINE & TOOL, INC
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160 84th STREET SW
BYRON CENTER, MI 49315
616-455-3800
Capt Mike
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Richard I on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
I have a bit of a problem with the rod stopping about 3/4 of the way through. I life up on the handle and it finishes. I notice if I break up my tobacco abit it seems to fill the tube better. I changed rods and adjustments but it still won't travel all the way without stopping. Also Premier Tubes are hard to get on the nozzle. I find Zen tubes are easier to get on but I don't like the ash. Anybody know of any other tubes that are easier to put on?
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......Richard
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
Guys,
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My opinion of machine is well designed, well thought out, has great possibilities, but somebody better get a handle on quality control real fast or it will be dumped like the quick roller was.
Kindest Regards, Pete
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Kent C on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
I just did a cleaning and servicing of the Magnum, with great help from Pete.... getting the shell off and getting the rod back in. Thanks Pete.
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I had run about 7 cartons without a problem and in the last 3 I was getting some hesitation in the rod and some grind but it continued. I notice that I did have some wear spots on the rod so I rotated it. I had a bit of a time getting it back in. I totally loosened the spring and still couldn't get the rod past the wheel. I has to pry the spring assembly in order to insert the rod. I also notice some buildup on the top wheel of dust which came off in flakes when I cleaned it - no doubt closing the gap between the wheels.
During the first 7 cartons all I'd get was just a difference in tone of the motor, no stops or hesitation but then lately I had some grinding. Advice is as soon as there's a hesitation in the rod travel, stop the machine and clear out the slot. I'm figuring on taking off the shell about every 5 cartons to inspect the wheel for buildup.
Back to normal now.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #9 Only four screws needed to remove top they are circled in yellow
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
Good job Pete,
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I noticed that also on my chamber door. When I would lower the handle, the door would close all the way, then it would start to open up a bit.
Whenever I would get a jam, I would lift the handle a little, then the rod was able to pass through.
I thought maybe there could of been a misalignment with the handle, but never bothered to mess with it.
This could be another adjustment to be made if my next machine doesn't operate correctly.
thanks
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #8 Also opened my slot wider.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture # 7 front shot
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #6 Now notice that your arm will not close as fully as it did before adjustment, is this perfect?? it's working for me at the moment and I sincerely hope it give many more clues and added suggestions from other readers.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #5 Here is a better view with proper adjustment of this internal screw.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #4 adjust this screw out till it is just touching operating arm when it's fully closed, any this should give you and idea to make proper adjustments. I am now very happy with mine if it holds up to quality.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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#3 see the phillips screw, if it's aduucted in all the way it let your compaction chamber close all the way then open up slightly causing the compacted tobacco to get cocked wrong in the chamber/
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
I saw that screw early on Pete, but you have found something. Mine was turned in all the way from the factory. After making the adjustment I can see a lot of improvement in the overall consistency of the stick.
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Before while it was a really nice stick you could actually if you pressed hard enough get some give at the filter. After backing that screw out to contact right as the chamber is fully closed I've noticed on the first nine that I made there was a perfect uniform stuff all the way to the filter and the filter now takes quite a bit more pressure to get it to move.
Good job Pete!
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Kent C on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
Same here David - I backed that screw out and getting the same results. It's the same problem you can get with the Supermatic if the end of the cross bar in the H assembly is not stopping in the right place which draws the compressor/cutter back out a bit, (Dave L. has a picture of it somewhere) leaving an edge in the chamber right in front of the nozzle entrance where tobacco will bottleneck.
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My first supermatic didn't have the length in the whole H assembly to seat the cutter properly - the two holes where the cutter connects were off spec - which made the cutter come in at a slight angle causing that gap. I sent it in to American Thrust for repair and the machine never made it there.... so they said. But it was insured.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #2 another shot screw tightened all the way
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Thursday, 13-Mar-2008
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Picture #1 If site will allow my pictures will show you what I have found adjustable, top removed looking at backside near where tobacco is injected into tube, the loose screw to the left of nozzle holding machined part make sure it's tightened all the way.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008
Well I made up my mind. I decided to exchange it.
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Hopefully the second one will be better. I'll keep you posted.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
@#$%%^^%#@@ POST OFFICE!!!
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$18.00 to ship it!! UPS only wanted $7.15, but couldn't ship it because it was to a PO box.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dave L on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
It wouldn't fit in a flat-rate box?
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
I don't know?
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That was the only 2 options she gave me.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
And, for priority mail, they wanted $40.00!!!
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- Re: Magnum Injector - off subject
- Posted by tony a on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
Dave,
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I have to say, you have an excellent forum.
Some time ago, I was on a forum that had the same format that you have here. It was one busy forum.
After some time, the owner of the forum, informed everyone that he had to change the format.(to the standard format that you see today)
No one was happy, and it went down hill after that.
Nice job!
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dwayne on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
Got mine and have made about 200 smokes with two or three not filled totally. After watching David's video, I am rocking with this machine and love it. It is a simple matter of getting the right adjustment and using David's method and you will be or should be enjoying trouble free operation 99% of the time. Have not charged this machine since the initial full charge and it is still going strong. David I appreciate your video as it has helped me BIG TIME. Do not know why some people are having trouble still at this point because for me this machine is great. Good luck to all having problems and I hope you can work em' out.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Jeremy on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
So my magnum came Friday. I have yet to get a good rolled smoke from it. Today is the last day to use it and mess with it to get it to work. I've almost used a box of tubes trying. I just can't believe this is working the worst of all the electric machines. I don't get it. How long does it take for them to send your money back?
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
I received my Magnum on Monday.
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So far I have stuffed 4 or 5 packs with it with less than stellar results.
I have yet to over stuff a tube. They either come out under stuffed or the machine jams. I had a little success when I tried pushing tobacco to the edged of the filler slot and got some fairly well stuffed tubes, but I tried that again last night with no success.
(Most of the time I get a tube that has 1/4" to 1" with no tobacco near the filter)
I just watched David's new vid and will give it another go in a bit. (Hopefully with better results)
I also tried to make a few adjustments which didn't seem to do much.
The "Engrish" manual says there is a compression screw and nozzle screw, but doesn't point them out. I tried adjusting the screw than uses the included allen wrench and the one near the nozzle tip that uses a square bit (I have one marked S-2)
Also- My compression rod is not completely smooth. If I run my finger down it I can feel irregularities.
If one of you guys could help me out here I wanna make this thing work.
BTW- I am using D&R Roland tobacco with Twister tubes.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
scott,
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try loosening the screw under the brass nozzle, and see if that helps getting fuller sticks.
also, do you have flat spots on the bottom of the rod?
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
I assume you are talking about the screw near the nozzle tip that uses a square bit. I just loosened it and am going to try again.
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and yes I have flat spots on the rod. The instructions are unclear on how to change or rotate though.
BTW- My unit was tested at the factory. At first I was upset when I noticed tobacco residue, then I saw it stated "tested with real tobacco".
Thanks for your response.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
I'm sorry, but by flat spots, I was referring to curved up spots from the drive wheel eating away on the rod.
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As far as it being tested, they probably just ran 1 stick through it and said, OK pass.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Yep...that describes the rod currently installed.
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I am looking around to find my manual. I gotta figure out how to change the rod. I just tried a few runs and didn't make a single stick. It jammed each time except once. That time it left an inch and a half of air from the filter. :(
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Its going to do that now every time it comes to that curved spot.
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If you notice at the back of the machine, there is a metal tab that rides up against the rod, once the rod passes that tab the machine will stop. With a small screwdriver or whatever, just push back gently on that tab, and the rod will pop out.(handle down-machine on)
Rotate the rod 90 degrees and insert from backside. You are going to use some force to push it in. If it doesn't go in, then loosen up the tension screw on the bottom with the Allan key, and then try again.(handle down-machine on) Then re-tighten. As far as tightness, David brown said his worked best tightened all the way, then back out half a turn.
I tried that on mine and was able to make 3 packs and then my machine broke.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Scott,
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To get the tobacco closer to the filter, tighten down on the screw under the brass nozzle. If paper is being torn off, then its too tight.
Also it will compact the tobacco more,(which is probably why you are getting under filled tubes) You are going to have to try different adjustments.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Thanks.....
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It seems to be doing much better since I put in the spare rod.
Looks like it likes really dry tobacco. We'll see what kind of results I get with a little practice.
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- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
yeah, I would leave my tobacco out for a few minutes, and that worked best for me also.
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good luck
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Scott B on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Well I am through messing with this contraption!
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After making a few somewhat decent stuffs I had a couple of jams and now have another rod problem.
I am sending it back. Hopefully the next revision of this product won't be in beta still!
Thanks for your help though!
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Scott, you brought up another of my beefs with this machine, the manual. People that are having trouble with this machine are getting bashed in general saying "they probably didn't read the manual". Whadaya' kiddin' me?!? I read the manual twice, once in the .pdf format before I got the machine and again with the booklet. It offers no help other than to "start with little tobacco". Let's not even mention the grammar in it, (sheeesh). The instructions are pretty much a joke.
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Good luck getting it to run.....I mean that sincerely!
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- Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Correction: I looked it up, my quote was incorrect. It should read "Start first cigarettes with a small quantity of tobacco."
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- Posted by David Brown on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Well Mark so are the instructions on a supermatic, While I agree the manual is less than it should be we cant expect a 50 page manual with pictures, DVD demonstration and on-site training for 150 bux.
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That's not to say comments on both sides couldn't have been put differently, but I am still in the camp that believes it is a solid design and solid machine. but it seems now that there are those who can use it and those who couldn't.
I know the rod not being inserted argument but Joanne was first to report that and at last report is living well with the machine so the argument that there were those who had tested machine and those who didn't being the reason machines worked or didn't is mute.
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- Posted by Mark White on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
"it seems now that there are those who can use it and those who couldn't"
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You are still going on the assumption that all the machines were set up the same. It's an incorrect assumption, I believe.
I didn't say I expected a 50 page manual with a DVD.....just something spelled correctly and with a TAD more detail than it has. Having an English speaking friend\associate go over it before it was printed would have been a good idea, don't you think?
I guess only time will tell how these machines fare. Right now as far as people posting that have the machine, it looks like about a 50\50 success rate to me.
I really AM glad you are having good luck with yours, it shows that the machine has the potential of being a good one.
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- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Well Mark so are the instructions on a supermatic, While I agree the manual is less than it should be we cant expect a 50 page manual with pictures, DVD demonstration and on-site training for 150 bux.
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Why not?
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- Posted by Mark White on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
LOL With a Supermatic you don't NEED instructions.....it works!
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Actually I can live with sketchy instructions but comments have been made here, on YouTube and on RYO Revolution saying the people having problems with the Magnum haven't read the instructions. I find that laughable.
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- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
"put dry tobacco into the reservoir, and fill the chamber,Do not pack too tight, start first cigarettes with a small quantity of tobacco." that is what the manual actually says. now you cited earlier just the last step in that sequence, is that because you overlooked the first 3 steps?
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I followed the above steps and it made a smoke, i did it again and again until i got the hang of it. I have jammed it, but when i did i backed the rod out and cleared it.
Now I am going to say something a lot of people are not going to like. After having mine apart and seeing the components and how they work, rod flatspots are the result of jamming the machine and instead of clearing it just letting the motor run against the rod out of frustration or what ever. There just is not other plausible cause.
Now I am sorry you guys couldnt get the hang of it, but for everyone that is out there claiming it is a POS I will be there proving it isnt. Just the way it is going to be.
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- Posted by Mark White on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
Yeah right Dave..... I skipped over the whole thing and went right to that half sentence, ignoring the rest.
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As far as the flat spots, I didn't have any , just a bowed rod, you can check my past posts. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, I just tried to convey my experience with the Magnum as accurately as I could. You seem head strong to defend ALL of the Magnum's, only having experience with one. I never claimed all Magnum's were no good but the one I had was a P.O.S. Don't take it so personally.
This thread is really no longer benefiting anybody.....I'm out of here.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
I saw something that impressed me
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no tamping
David it's obvious the manual is a piece of shit and there isn't much excuse for that
however I am all for this machine working out and am changing my own mind al little with the idea I will get one eventaully after I watch and see if it keeps working
something else- does it have to run on a charge or can it stay "plugged in"?? I am funny about battery operated things: I hate them, so I would want to never bother with charges and just have it stay plugged in (when in use)
pardon my ignorance here
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- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
Yes it will operate plugged in, I dont however leave it plugged in due to the "learning" capability of a gel cell. I will charge mine and get about 400 sticks give or take a few out of a charge. then i plug it back in over night and let it charge then uplug it again after the 11 hours.
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I leave the machine unplugged normally. Again that is just me i dont want the battery to learn that it is always plugged in.
i would imagine if you like you could disconnect the battery and just use the charging jack, if the charger had enough amperage i guess. I havent tried that and probably wont :) but in theory it could be done if you could find out the current draw and match the charger to that.
And to get to your first observation, no tamping, that is correct if you have the release tension adjusted right it will put the tobacco plug all the way to the filter without fail. The release tension isnt rocket science either, just a single screw that if too tight will give you rock hard smokes and if too loose with result in under filled tubes. I found with mine to close the chamber and back the screw out where the release was too loose, then snug it up and back off just about 1/4 turn from snug. that results in a good drawing smoke that is filled good every time
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- Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
kewel
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well, the little power adapter for my portable-made-permanent cd player has many power settings so maybe this could apply to that (boy you can tell I know my stuff hehe)
none of this is a big deal, if it can keep up with the pink rabbit and packs 'em minus tamping then it's good stuff indeedie :o)
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- Posted by tony a on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
David,
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your right about the release tension not being rocket science, it fact, the whole machine isn't rocket science. There is only 2 adjustments. So the machine is going to work, or it isn't. So far the majority isn't.
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- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
I'm not convinced that the majority isn't, for two reasons one I've communicated with a lot more happy users than I have with unhappy users. And the other is that those on this particular forum have long since shown their bias against the Magnum from the announcement last April.
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And I would hardly call the six or seven people who have seem to have problems on this forum a majority by any means. There are numerous places on the web where people congregate and post besides this forum. This forum however and it is documented dating back to last April some users have gone out of their way to be hypercritical.
And statements like yours above saying so far the majority isn't, creates an impression that has been fostered on this site since last April. If you have watched this site over the last year you will know exactly what I'm talking about.
We can all agree to disagree, but I would be receptive and a little bit less skeptical if instead of words I actually saw proof of failures instead of just words. I have posted proof of success and it didn't cost me a thing. And like I said earlier I have talked a lot more happy customers and I have unhappy customers and for some reason the majority of the unhappy customers all seem to post to this forum. Take that for what it's worth.
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- Posted by tony a on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
I am new here.I haven't been watching this site and I can't understand why people would bash something before it came out. I started by reading ryo magazine, and thats how I came across the magnum.
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I couldn't wait for it to come out, and when it finally did, I purchased one.
I followed the instructions, charged it overnite, and so on, and so on, and it did not work the way it did for doug. Thats when I searched for forums and found this one. I tried everything I could to make it work.Its really not that difficult of a machine. I watched your videos, and even tried your adjustments, but then, my machine broke. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, and I didn't even force anything.
I am not bashing this machine, I am just very upset because i really like it, I had high hopes for this, and still do. I am even considering to exchange it and try again.
You said there are other forums, can you tell me which ones other then ryo revolution? I did a google search, and can not find any other. I want to hear from those happy people.
As far as the people in this forum, you and wazmo are the only ones that has good running machine(notice I didn't say perfect).
As far as joanne, I think she is just bearing with hers.
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- Posted by mike c on Monday, 10-Mar-2008
uhhh david, I haven't even read your whole email but beg to differ on something
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the majority of magnum users/owners here look to me to be unfamiliar new people (and nothing wrong with that, whatever draws a person into the foray) as opposed to biased ones from april
IMO all that matters is that you are having a joyful experience and what others think really shouldn't be too stressful
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- Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
David, I agree with all your comments here beginning with the use dry tobacco, and your hypothesis on the flat spots! To me, everything you say is just common sense. I also want to thank you for the videos and pictures of the workings of the Magnum. I do honestly wish people would please quit attacking each other! The goal of this site is the education and enlightenment of those who choose our way of enjoying tobacco. It's not here to facilitate personal flamings and continuous negativity! I don't think it's fair to attack David for trying to help others and add useful content! It really bothers me to see things get this far out of hand here! Please, for the good of the site lets be civil, and work through these problems like mature adults. Capt Mike
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No, I don't have a Magnum, and until I feel comfortable with the idea; through this site, and RYO Revolution, I won't. Capt Mike
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- Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
Ditto on everything you said! I would hate to see Dave Lers drop the site over such as this.
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- Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008
Yes Kerry, I too would hate to see Dave L. shut it down because it got out of hand, and a fire hazard, and a Buzzards Roost. If all the energy spent in thought on taking other's personal inventories were spent of problem solving--we'd be much better off! We have the talented people to make it happen! Lets stick to the matters at hand. Capt Mike
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- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008
relax, just like real life, not everybody gets along all the time
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I bet the forums fine......
just don't aim at Dave
careful wording so as not to offend anyone with (IMHO) care towards newer folks could go far......
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- Posted by ChasM on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008
Being one myself.... I think "Geezer Roost" would have be a better choice of words. I'm disappointed in the seemingly ignorance of people of the MYO page...
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Mr. Lers has been more than gracious host.
And to me, I just wish that most of commenters here would find another arena -- where to vent.
I just like to stuff my own cigarettes.
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- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Mar-2008
well I apologize another from me, but I hope you don't see me that way
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I lost my self-control yesterday, but got it nuked quick
I try to encourage pleasantness as a rule and I certainly wasn't calling for more BS.....it just seems to be a rhythm of life if you are around long enough
we've been doing quite well actually.....considering the past that you have luckily avoided....
peace
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
It's taken me a while to figure out the failure of the Magnum but I said rod failure all along. Here is how to fix the thing remove the top and go to side where the adjustment spring is which tightens up the roller wheel, take this adjustment screw all the way out and remove the small barrel which sits in center of spring and reinstall now you can tighten the wheel enough to stop the slippage, this small barrel limits how tight you may have the wheel, tobacco still must be fairly dry though.
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
Having loaded over one carton now with zero failure, seems the limit barrel under spring at adjusting screw was the problem, but further testing must be always performed. Stuffing is great seldom over stuffed and never to tight. one thing is for sure this machine uses less tobacco than filler slot in supermatic.
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Pete
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- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
well pete,
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how's it going?
still working good?
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Yep so far Tony, I was in fear of overtightening but rod is staying straight. Perhaps the spring limit barrel was just a little too long.
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Kindest regards, Pete
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- Posted by tony a on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
If my machine was still working, I would of tried that.
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Maybe on the next one if I decide to exchange it.
I'm waiting to hear from more people that purchased it.
Overall Pete, would you say its working as good as Davids?
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
Tony mine is working but damn does anything work as good as Davids. God has assinged him the perfect machine.
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Pete
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
Tony here is the straight out truth does it work as good as anything out, NO the supermatic is still supreme but it's a handcrank, no electric machine yet has the ability to do what the supermatic can do. Now do I like the Magnum so far yes just hate waiting forever for the tobacco to dry enough to use in it, o well I suppose I could do like the British and toast the tobacco first. David has made an excellent video, don't know affiliation he has with company but seems awful defensive or maybe just full of shit looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
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Kindest regards, Pete
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- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
with no nastiness in my heart, I must say i was wondering the same thing...
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had he not firmly stated that he bought the machine, and having known he'd been in contact with the company, my mind drifted to thoughts of "promo"??
it's just not going to be the big revolution, however may be just perfect for certain individuals....and I also wondered if the enthusiasm to prove it's worth might not even have frightened some (newcomers)
please, no offense intended, swear to god, just stating what it looks like from here
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- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
Sometimes I find this hard to believe, not only have I over and over again stated I have no affiliation with anyone, in the video I also stated that I had purchased the unit from American thrust.
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If you all are going to talk Shit, at least do your homework and at least try to put some effort into it. I just can't for the life of me believe you even wrote that I might be scaring off newcomers with my enthusiasm. I suppose he would just rather have all the bullshit from Freddie who's never laid eyes on the god damn machine as the end-all and be-all of the subject.
In response to Pete the reason I am defending the machine is simple, there are so many people here some have it some don't who have been intent on trashing this machine since last April. You can't disagree with that if you do I can show you the links to the posts.
Until somebody has the balls and I mean balls to make a video that shows that the thing doesn't work, then you all can just kiss my ass and you can sit here on his puny little forum and shoot your messages back and forth speculating on whether it works or not, I don't care.
This is the reason that Stephane a.k.a. Magnum quit posting here, and is why this forum is becoming more and more irrelevant every moment. It's so easy for you guys to speculate and post anything without any proof whatsoever, well I put up the proof not once but twice.
So once again if you'll just want to sit here and bitch be my guest all you're doing is making this forum more irrelevant with every post.
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- Posted by Ernest S Lipps on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
Damn your'e a defensive son-of -s bitch.
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Pete
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- Posted by tony a on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2008
"If you all are going to talk Shit"
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Cmon David, isn't that what you did with mark white?
You over exaggerated his comments and pissed him off. So now he left.
People are describing there bad/good experience with the magnum in detail, and thats great, because other people can than decide if they want to purchase one. Its like reading the reviews of a product before you buy it. But the way you come across, its as if the ones that are having trouble, are stupid, and they can't follow directions.
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Now, the videos and pictures are great, and most appreciated, but you seem to overdo it. It does seem like you are promoting there product. I have nothing against you, other than promoting the product too much.
I like your videos, you talk simple and make it look easy, and it was most helpful.