Exp1000 Injector
Posted on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
On the MYO Forum, Capt. Mike posted a link to a new stuffer from SimRon International called the Exp1000. The Ron in SimRon (his wife Sima is the Sim) is Ron Moscovitch and he's been involved in the industry since the 70's. The Sep/Oct 2007 TOB article also says that Moscovitch "expects the machine to hit the market in mid-October", no year provided.
The Exp 1000 looks like a bit like a Laredo with its separate compression and injection functions. I don't get it, it looks to be as bad an idea as the Turbo-Matic. With the single action Excel selling for $23, what does this machine (suggested retail price of $23) have to offer?
...Apparently the "Yes, more than a million satisfied customers."* refers to the Corona machine that was mass produced for RJR-Macdonald (Canada) in the early 90's.
Jan 03: RYO Magazine has an Exp1000 review which rather strongly counters my first impressions of the machine. Doug says that the Exp1000 "may likely become the most successful single design in injector history". (tkx KL)
Jan 10: $22.95 @ RYO Tobacco (description is bits and pieces from the RYOM review).
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by dave z on Saturday, 29-Mar-2008
Out of curiosity, I decided to time myself on a pack again and ended up stuffing 22 cigs in less than 5 minutes. I posted previously and was at about 7 minutes a pack, so its just getting faster with time. That puts me at about the same time as with my Supermatic. This includes trimming (pinching) and tapping. The quality of the cigs is uniform just as with the full size cranker. So far so good, Id have to say I m quite pleased with this little thing so far. (just for the hell of it, I did another pack with the same results) I m quite sure I could do a pack even faster if I tried. :)
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- Posted by JerzyJoe on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2008
My TOP died last night. I need a new chote. So I order an EXP1000 from D&R today. After reading Captain u 96 comments I thought I would get one. I travel quite a bit so I thought it would come in good use. Maybe a it would become my regular injector? I hope so. For &22 bucks I thought I could not go wrong...
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- Posted by Jim G on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
I have been using mine for about 2 weeks now and although slower than my top I think it works much better. I regularly switch the tobacco I use and some of the tobacco is very moist like PS London Export and the Exp handles them all with no problems including overfilling whereas my Top would jam with just a little bit of overfilling or tobacco that was too moist. The Exp has become my main stuffing machine because, for me, it is much more forgiving and easy to use.
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- Posted by Jeffo on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Just curious here..what happened to your TOP..is it the Top-o-matic with the extra grip handle crank machine?
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- Posted by JerzyJoe on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
My Top-o-matic has a lose tube holder. It came out about a month ago but I lost the rubber mallet to tab it back in. So I had to use a ball peen hammer and I bent the tube holder in. And all it dose is pop out now...
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So I have to replace the tube holder and get another rubber mallet
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
I decided to use the EXP-1000 as my main machine just to see if it can take everyday use. At the price, even if I ware one out every six months, and had to pay for a new machine--it'd be worth it. I am working on some modifications to the EXP, and will post pictures when finished. It's funny, but when I stashed the EXP and dug out the Topomatic; I started having overfilling problems? Soon rectified, I noticed something I hadn't before, that as good as the Top makes smokes, in particular the draw-ability, or easy drawing, the EXP is just a bit better in my opinion. Further, if it does break in the two years warranty; I just box it up and send it back to Simron for a repair or new machine! I heard that Ron is planing to support his warranty to the max, and that he's the kind of guy that won't bend you over! So, well see what we see. So far, other than the tightness, I can't complain. Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
moment of truth:
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has anyone with a "matic" that HAS the plastic cutter done the comparison and if so is the EXP taking the lead........
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by The Ghost Of Ed Murrow on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
This thing is great if you make fewer than 15 smokes a day. It will not hold up to heavy duty use. Capt Mike is correct to relegate it to part-time status.
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- Posted by dave z on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
Great! I wish someone said something sooner. I didnt know that and I ve been stuffing 30-40 a day w/it! Based on this recommendation I think I ll relegate mine to the tool shed as well.....thanks! :)
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- Posted by dave z on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
Well Mike C, I have both a SM and an EXP. I ve had the EXP for around a month and have stuffed about 6 cartons for me and my wife w/it. Since I wanted to really test this unit I havent used the SM much at all since getting the EXP. All joking aside, I can stuff a pack in about 7 minutes w/the EXP and about 5 minutes w/the SM. The quality of the smokes are comparable.
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I m not sure why some posters are having problems w/this units operation as its straightforward and intuitive. Many people also have problems w/their Tops and SMs as well. Its also tolerant to different cuts and moisture levels w/in reason. One of the members over at RYOREVOLUTION has the Canadian version, and its over 10 years old. I m not planning on selling my SM, but I find the EXP's size convenient and the speed pretty impressive too. For some reason I just enjoy using it more personally. If I were to stuff a carton at a time I would prefer the SM over it, but I generally stuff 2-3 or packs at a time and prefer this one at the moment. So I would say it not only makes a great portable stuffer, but for some it might be preferable to a full size cranker for everyday use.
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- Posted by Smooth on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
"I am working on some modifications to the EXP, and will post pictures when finished."
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Can you say which directions you are working in?
Mine came in Thursday and I'm struggling a little with getting used to it coming from a HH injector.
I can't feel how much tobacco is in the spoon before or after compacting.
With the variations in density and moisture that are prevalent in RYO tobaccos.. for me anyway, the "feel" is necessary in order to get an even & consistent load.
Also.. using Zen Light King tubes (7 made so far), the tube often pushes away from the nozzle before it's finished pushing the tobacco down to the filter.
Pushing the tube back up the spoon before pulling the spoon back seems to work.
This hasn't occurred when using 100's (4 made) so far.
It's too soon to know whether this will work for me in the long run as I've made under a dozen smokes with it so far and may have developed bad habits using the hand held.
I'll need to work with this unit more before I can develop an educated opinion.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by KL on Sunday, 09-Mar-2008
Rest your left thumb on the nozzle wile injecting, that will fix that tube from coming off too early
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Friday, 14-Mar-2008
Yes, as you and David both suggested placing your thumb on the top of the nozzle works well. Thank you both for pointing out what might seem obvious. <grin>
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After using this for almost a week it has completely gained my confidence and retired the old trusty hand held.
The quality of the stuff is nearly perfect every time and gets better each time I use it.
It is an absolute jewel of an injector without the high overhead and maintenance of the higher priced models.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U 96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2008
Yes, actually I'm working on a way to help stabilize the EXP-1000 a bit better when injecting. The little pads leave a lot to be desired IMHO. When I settle on a modification, I will post the pictures. My goal is to find a way to do it that anyone else can do if they choose. I feel that to be of service to the other regulars here and newbies, modifications, or other ideas need to be doable for everyone here, using materials widely and easily obtainable. Capt Mike
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
After an eye--opening experience a few moments ago; I've decided that the EXP-1000 is to be my travel injector, not my every day injector! I've never gotten use to not having the nipple ready for my next tube--having to stop and open the compressor/cutter. I just broke out my old model Top-O-Matic, and fired out 3 Gizeh Extra, 4 Laramie Shorts, and 5 Ramback Prestige faster than ever--immediately making the EXP look like a Yugo in comparison to my Z-28! Hmm, I says? One of the lessor known niceties about the EXP is that it is easy to store--not taking hardly any room at all, in fact it fits perfectly in my injector parts box; where it will be till I go on vacation in a month or two.
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After my experience with the EXP 1000, I'd recommend that folks buy either a new model Top-O-Matic, or new model Supermatic for everyday injecting. As I said, the EXP is a good machine for the road, but then so is the Excel, which I might as well try now that I've tried everything else. Even the hand helds I have now like the Gizeh Extra and the 6.5 D&R Ultra Slim make good traveling companions, and aren't in my opinion the hassle they use to be. So, it's back to business as usual for me. Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Al H on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
That is the EXACT conclusion I came to, and if I take a trip where I have a nice hotel room for awhile, I might STILL take the crank!
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
While taking the cranker is a tempting idea; it doesn't always turn out to be convenient. That's why I've been searching for a viable alternative, and without having any experience with the Excel, I have to go with the EXP-1000 for now. Capt Mike
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- Posted by EXP1000 Hell Yes on Monday, 25-Feb-2008
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Freddie said :
" I have one, so I can really say much about it."
Cool,
I only have so much room in front of my keyboard so the EXP fits perfect. I use a stuffer with it (a pack of papers) works perfect.
been using it as much as I can since I got it. would like to see how long it lasts, so far it's just as smooth as it ever was
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Monday, 25-Feb-2008
Sorry EXP1000.... Freddie does NOT have an exp1000 and until they send one to Dave for a second evaluation, I will not recommend it to anyone.... I think capt mike's honest statements reveals the Exp1000 to be an expensive hand held and not made for everyday use..... I trust their judgement to be fair and honest.
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Dried tobacco dust/grit/shake is very abrasive to plastic if not completely removed/cleaned after each use.
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- Posted by EXP1000 on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
Your not the real Freddie, the real Freddie bought 12 just to see if one wouldn't work well, and he would never be so biased and have such a clear agenda.
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That's not what I get from Capt mikes reviews at all.
Freddie would trust Capt mikes judgments and just let his words stand as they are like everyone else does. he wouldn't add his own bias agenda to Capt's judgments and reword them.
Let the reviewer do the recommendations since he and Freddie actually owns one.
Please don't ruin Daves chances of getting any samples to review by making this a troll site. Think about it, Who would give dave anything if people act like that during the review process. They will avoid us like the plague. I know Dave did not intend this site to be like that.
It should be and is a non bias review and information site people can trust. Not a flame fest from people that never touched the product ! if you would like to recomend something, buy it, learn it,
then share your findings in a fair and non-bias way we can trust.
kl
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
Freddie, you refer to dried tobacco dust/grit shake, and I forgot to mention that as the days go by, I'm noticing micro scratches on the bottom of the tobacco chamber. I didn't think much of it, because I'm use to seeing these scratches on the bottoms of cutter/compressor blocks and chambers. But, when these scratches are in plastic components that interact with one-another it's a different story. It took me almost a half hour to get the tobacco dust out of the EXP's Cutter/compressor travel-way, because the scratches only give up the dust reluctantly, and I believe the biggest part was on top of the cutter block; which extends back much further than the bottom. The more I look at it--the more I believe Ron tried to engineer the cutter block to act like a wiper?
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In fairness to the EXP, it does have another quality that I really appreciate! It's nipple is tapered! I have some tubes that fit my Top-O-Matic tight--so tight I hate to even fool with them, but they slide right on the EXP like a glove, so no more undersized tube problems for me! Well, that's it for now. Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Jo on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008
After reading about and looking at the new injectors, including the electric injectors, I have came to the conclusion that until they are perfected, I would rather spend my money on a matching DUSTPAN.
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I know that sounds odd, but I have been putting a dustpan under my crank machine to catch the mess. I already have a hopper.
It would be so nice to have an open ended pan that would fit under the 'matics that had a stop block about an inch longer than a cigarette from the end.
In other words, picture a baking pan about 2 inches wider than the width of the 'matics and about 6 inches longer than the 'matics. Picture a block made out of wood or metal, and made so it won't interfere with the machine, that will keep the machine from sliding and also made slanted, on the tube side, so when the cigarettes fall off, they will land on the slanted area and roll down sideways and eventually make a stack of cigarettes. Then picture picking up the 'matic and then lifting up the 'dust pan' or tobacco pan and dumping the loose tobacco back in the container.
It would be beautiful if it was made to match the matics in color.
Just thinkin.....
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008
Jo, I use a food tray with mine.... it catches all and holds my mty tubes also.
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- Posted by Jo on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008
What kind of food tray?
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I had been using a white tray with sides and you are right, trays help hold the tubes, but the tobacco showed up against the white. It would be great to have a muckelededun mix of browns so the tobacco strays wouldn't show so much. Even to have the whole tray look like a large picture of tobacco pieces would work for me. I used a makeup brush to sweep up the tobacco in a pile, then pick it up with my fingers, but it always leaves some in the corner.
(Spelling check caught muckelededun, but didn't have a correct spelling for it. I have heard the word all my life, but never seen it written. It means a whole lot of different shades of the same color.)
I thought the slanted wood piece would not only lead the cigarettes to a pile, but would make it easy to dump the tobacco back in the container. It wouldn't block the tobacco into two areas.
I roll 5 cigarettes at a time, so it gets old cleaning each time, but I suppose if I didn't, then I would have dried out tobacco and a lot of it would turn to shake. That is why I have been using a dustpan, but that looks pretty tacky, so it would be nice to have something classy:-) I could live with the white tray, if it was brown.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
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Spoon View
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
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A closer look.
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- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
I truly apologize if any is needed-
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all I wanted was a reason NOT to buy another machine, as I have now returned to record collecting and I live a very free life which equates to a rather financially poor life-
further, I would love to visit and watch you make smokes, because your experiences do not match my own, and I am intrigued by that!!
my friend Robin, who has the newer Topo machine, and now a chinese clone from me as well, had sticks with underfill the other day, and she had been using the Top machine, so, to me, the machines actually UNDERFILL, but as I stated in my earlier post, maybe I am just off, OFF!!!!
I do know a couple things, you're right, like say, the original 1961 abduction culprit in the New Hampshire White Mountains, was seen on military radar........to the future......no matter good or bad
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
None required or needed. Mike, everyone has their own methods, and I like to keep tobacco on top of the machine, which, probably causes me to make firm sticks with the Top-O. Hang in there old friend, Capt Mike
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
Let me apologize for the pictures. I took them on the spur of the moment, and that is how much tobacco accumulates after a days use. I also sent the same one twice. Again, my apologies, Capt Mike
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- Posted by dan b on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
I appreciate the pictures Capt Mike, although I'd like to see one more with the injector extended, it's not obvious as to where it's pivot point is... or does it just ride up against the injector arm and pivot due to spring tension?
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
The injector doesn't have a pivot point, it's a straight shot into the tube after the tobacco is compressed. I show the machine with the compressor open and closed. I will take a picture of the spoon extended and post it, but the injection process is independent of the compression. Two moves. After loading you move the compression lever to the closed position, then you simply grab the injector handle and slowly inject the tube. Capt Mike
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- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 15-Feb-2008
Capt Mike, I see photos showing dust pan removed..... But how do you take it apart to clean grit in compression chamber and slide block ?.... As with the Fresh Choice electric, if it is plastic, it has to be cleaned between use (which can't be done unless you take the FC apart and that voids it's warranty also).
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I think you have a nice traveling sidekick there, Capt.... but for everday use, I don't beleive I would be in a hurry to discard the old faithful Crank.
A closer look at your photos, reveals that the slide is not a straight push.... It actually pushes the heel of compression block against the spoon/discharge side of compression chamber due to the cam action of compression lever.... If your exp1000 is tight now.... trust me Capt, it will loosen up (if the dried tobacco grit doesn't clog it first).
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
Well Freddie, I don't know? My EXP has been getting tighter and tighter, and I can tell it's the cutter/compressor block. It was really tight from the time I took it out of the box! It gets even tighter the closer you get to making the cut. Ron says that's because of a simple Patent he has that makes the cutter housing a couple thousands tighter at the end of the cycle to prevent fish-tailing of the cutter/compressor. I e-mailed Ron to ask what to do about the ever-increasing tightness, and he advised me to spray a little WD-40 on the metal rivet. This I did, and I noticed it did get a little looser, but it also made it more apparent that the cutter was the culprit! I went on for a couple days, and noticed I had 7/32 play in the compressor lever up and down, and 5/32 play from side to side. When making a smoke, I noticed the compressor lever would move a little during the injection cycle. Too many things in too short of time, so I e-mailed Ron on the 18th and asked for a replacement, and I haven't heard from him since! My neighbor girl seen the EXP and liked it so I ordered another one from D&R. It got here Monday, and it is much different. First, it is so much more easy to operate out of the box, been using it ever since with no hint of tightening; though I brush it out every night. The instructions that come with the machine mention nothing about maintainance at all--just instructions on how to use the machine. I wouldn't recommend WD-40, since the rivet (linkage pin) now wobbles, and to watch it reminds me of a drunk Mexican with a sombrero doing the Mehican hat dance! That linkage is suppose to be Rockwell hardened, and then a self lubricating treatment is applied, from what Ron writes.
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Well Freddie, quite simply put-if I hadn't ordered a second unit--I'd not had an idea just how far off kilter my machine had become? It still makes good smokes, but at the rate of wear who knows for how long? I really didn't like making this post Freddie, but I recommended the EXP to everyone, and I said if I find something wrong with it I'd be just as quick to post that too! Capt Mike
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- Posted by Jeffo on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
Thanks again Capt. for your obvious integrity expressed in this thread about this "new" machine. I hope you hear from Ron soon. It doesn't look good for the durability of this design. Thanks again, Jeffo (Danang USAF 390th TFS 1967-1968).
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Thanks for your comment. If I feel a machine is a good, and recommend it; I also feel obligated to report any irregularities I may find in the future-not just stay silent and hope no-one else notices! The second machine is working out fine--so far without WD 40.
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I landed in Danang in early 1969, and not ten steps off the plane the VC welcomed us with 3 inch rockets. Capt Mike
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- Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
Never... NEVER use penetrating sprays on ANY tobacco machine (doesn't taste good either).... If you must use lube, use a food-grade, plastic compatable lube/grease only.
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Capt Mike, the tape only compounds the problems and jams dried tobacco dust/grit in compression chamber.
You might advise Ron to redesign his compression block to incorporate a one-way wiper surface on bottom of block.....Kind of like the wipers on the side of a windshield wiper, which allows it to wipe on the back stroke.... In the same token, the block wiper would drag tobacco dust out the back of compression chamber before it has time to dry and become gritty.
Capt Mike, I still think the exp1000 will make a good traveling side-kick, but not built for everyday use.
Now to unclog your exp1000.... try taking a 2mil (.002) feeler gauge ..... with compression open.... rake/push grit off of bottom of compression block/chamber surfaces and blow out remaining dust... You should be good to go again......
Remember... Plastic, Grit and WD-40 don't mix.
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- Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
I use 3 parts lube and 1 part Slick-50 which makes pivot points last much longer.
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I also use 3 parts 3-in-1 oil and 1 part Slick 50 mixture in all my fan/motor bushings..... I have an ageing airconditioner fan that I use to have to lube 2 times a season.... with this mixture, it has been 3 yrs between lubes and it still runs like new.... I use it in my airplane too.(if it ever blows an oil line hose, I think it will run long enough to get me down safely.)
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- Posted by dave z on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
That does make sense, as I ve used that in my bike, but how does it taste w/ your baccy? :)
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
My thoughts exactly, which is why used q-tip to place the WD 40 on the rivet. Capt Mike
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Freddie, I know that! I also know that WD 40 and plastic don't mix well. But, I felt I had to do as Ron instructed me. The machine is I believe a one -- off, in other words someone goofed up super gluing it together, or the parts were not cooled enough before being removed from the molds and warped! I have some special plastic lube around here someplace for model building. Whether it is food grade or not I don't know. I also have a .002 feeler guage here too. Ron told me the metal parts have been Rockwell hardened, and all I did was what I was told and put a dab of WD 40 on the metal rivet in the linkage. Supposedly, the rest of the parts are pre lubed. Ron not getting back to me pisses me off more than the bum machine does! I like your suggestions, but they'd probably cost too much to build into the product. Anyways, I think we are dealing with a Rube Goldberg here! Thanks Freddie, Capt Mike
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- Posted by dan b on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Capt Mike, it seems to me that the jamming is likely in the compressor block, since it rides on 2 rails on the bottom of the chamber my guess is something is jammed in there. IF it's possible to detach the linkage you could drop the compressor out and clear any foreign material. I've looked over the patent drawings, the original design used a flat-bladed type shoulder screw as the main pivot between the crank arm & compressor linkage. Is this where you are getting the excessive play? Have you tried putting a pair of pliers or vise grip on it to see if you could tighten or loosen the pivot screw?
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008
I know it's the compressor block. I won't put any tools to it other than Freddies idea of .002 feeler guage to try and push some of the crap--if any out. No place in the directions is maintenance mentioned! So, since I am inclined to follow instructions and directions made by the manufacturer, I should only have to worry about filling the corners first--then the middle. I'm kind of inclined to believe either the compressor block, or the housing are warped. It happens when injected plastics are removed from the mold too soon before they've had a chance to cool enough.. The metal rivet spins around in the hole; which is now big enough to allow the rivet to wobble to the direction of force-in other words leans towards the compressor/cutter when compressing, and towards the back of the machine when opening the chamber. The cutter is shaped so that the top of the cutting block extends back around 3/8 of an inch, and the bottom extends back only the thickness of the front of the cutter block which I estimate to be about 3/16, and the side rails extend to the end of the channel on each side of the cutter when the chamber is open. I used some Dust Off Computer Duster to blow out the dust, and that seems to work well. With tolerances as close as these, I think I'll stick with the Dust off. Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Jeffo on Sunday, 24-Feb-2008
Hi Mike,
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Your posts are the only ones I'm interested in here so far since within a short time of making this your main machine your EXP began to break down from premature wear. Are you planning to return the machine under the 2 year warranty? Have you tried calling Ron? Have you heard anything back from him other than the WD-40 recommendation? Since the machine is so new to the market place not many of these have had a lot of use yet except yours. How long have you had the machine?
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
Hi Jeffo, Yes, I tried e-mailing Ron at the e-mail address he used to ask my permission to use my comments/review on his website. I haven't heard from him, and he is using a Blackberry to get his e-mail on. I wanted to send it back to him for an exchange, and told him so, which is why I probably haven't heard from him. My second unit is still working great; though I managed to overload it for the first time last night. I stopped and dug out the tobacco from the chamber till I could eject it easily. It happened with Bali Shag Red-the end of the can. I've been comparing Bali Shag with D&R's 3 Sails, and I kind of favor the 3 Sails I think. Not no where's near the shake, and it is more flavorful I noticed. I'll go with the 3 Sails for a while and see, and it works smooth in the EXP too!
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Jeffo, that was the first and last time I'll use WD-40 on any smoke chucker of mine! Ron said the machine's parts have been pre-lubed, or given a lube treatment, but yet nowhere in the instructions is maintainance mentioned--just how to load the machine. Ron also said the EXP is designed to make "Thousands" of smokes! BTW, thank you for the kind words; I appreciate them. As far as Ron, we'll have to see what happens. I was hoping he'd send Dave an EXP to review, but I guess not. Thanks again, Capt Mike
One More.
Last one.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
I've been living with an EXP 1000 for a week now, and have to admit I too was skeptical, but I made the $22 plunge anyway. I was looking for a machine to replace my Topomatic when I travel. Since I got the Exp 1000 I haven't used the TopO! It's different than anything I have ever used before! It's made of high quality plastic; with the only metal part being the compression lever, and a spring on the tube keeper! While I've made a few loose smokes; all were smokable! The machine adjusts itself for various tube lengths, which makes it ideal for the new Laramie Shorts, and the SilverTip Extra. Yes, you have the extra plug to trim, but no ripped tubes! My machine is tight! The tightness comes from the fit of the compressor/ cutter block; which is so tight I don't think the tolerances can be measured with common tools. The first thing I realized was I was loading the machine like a top loader. Once loaded, moving the compressor lever closes the chamber, and moves the tobacco in-line of the tube and then compresses it. The chamber lip is shaped in a V fashion to facilitate the cut, and insure the center is kept as loaded I believe, but I'm not an Engineer and could be wrong. The bottom comes off for cleaning which is a snap with a small brush! No where in the instructions is lubrication mentioned! All in all I'm quite satisfied with the EXP 1000. It makes good smokes, and is tolerant of all the tobaccos I use. I simply followed the instructions. Since the machine is designed to make 100mm, you will have some overhang with other sizes, but this is a small inconvenience for the consistent quality this machine produces! Perfect draw, unless you purposely try to overfill it, then, it's a little harder to draw.
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I had to laugh when I opened the box, because I expected it to be a little bit bigger, not small enough to put in my coat pocket! Like all machines, there is a learning curve, but I am enjoying it very much, and I believe I'm saving tobacco too, but I haven't had enough time with the EXP 100 to say that for sure yet. Is it worth the $22? No doubt in my mind it's worth that, and then some; just for the conveniences and space saving not to mention the quality smokes it produces in patient hands. I think it's a little slower than my TopO, but again it makes up for it in quality smokes. Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Cap'n-
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2 things-
you made the $22 plunge??? they got you in shipping then??? (just a little humor, between friends)
you got a free promo, no???
and next-
your statement reads as if you think this thing has a chance of outdoing our crank machines.....could this REALLY be true?? HONESTLY?????
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
What's going on Mike?
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Yes, I made the $22 plunge. Simron didn't send me one for free. Last week I called Mark at D&R to ask if he had any of the machines since he is listed as a distributor on Simron's site. I bought mine from D&R for $21.95, and they do have them for sale, but not on the site yet. So, if you want you can call in your order, or put a note in the comments section on the shipping page asking them to add one to your order. These are first run units!
No, I don't think the EXP has a chance of outdoing our hand crankers, but it is replacing my TopO when I have to travel! It's not as fast as a Super or TopO, but speed is the least of my priorities.
I want a quality stick, uniformly packed, easy drawing with a minimum of dress up on each stick. For instance, when I make a Laramie Short I'm going to end up with a good sized plug off the end, but, packed correctly that plug is solid enough to allow time to get the stick over the machine for trimming. With my preferences, I leave about a quarter inch, then my usual two taps, and I have a perfect short! With King Size, there's usually 1/4 overhang, and I give it two taps, and I'm in there. I haven't ran any 100mm so I can't say how they will turn out. I also forgot to mention this machine has a TWO YEAR WARRANTY! I hope I have answered your question Mike. Thinking about it, I'd have to say it will be up to the individual if the EXP 1000 outdoes the Super's and TopO's for their desires. I do believe the EXP-1000 is going to be a growing contender for the Excel's patrons selling for $21.95, and able to make 100mm's, with a smaller footprint, and ease of use. Hell, over at RYOTobacco they claim they have tried to purposely break an EXP-1000, "Haven't been able to break one. More importantly, they produce sticks of exceptional quality and do so consistently with a surprisingly large range of tobacco cuts and moisture contents". Quoted from RYOTobacco. [link]
Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Dave L on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Its an unattributed quote from RYOM's review (click "Cached").
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Thanks Dave. Them folks must not understand what Plagiarism is.
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Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Monday, 11-Feb-2008
Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement. ( [link] ).
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I had to look that up.... I didn't know if I are one of them there Plagiarisms. :)
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Mr T-
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nothing going on, I just do the best I can with my cheese-hole riddled brain to cling to things said here
If I recall, you had a promo lined up, and I almost asked you for a contact person to get one for Dave, since he's tolerated me a long time
so I guess this means I must destroy the company for being made of green cheese.....bloody lying c*n*s, maybe if you still do that, I'll try hard to get somebody what was promised
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Well... shut my mouth, saw my legs off and call me shorty!
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But then again, I thought my Fresh Choice Electric was fantastic when I first got it..... for about a week... until all the plastic parts began to ware. I am now making parts out of ss to replace worn plastic parts and lining existing plastic with hardened .010 ss shim stock.
Keep in mind that tobacco dust remaining in machine acts just like sandpaper.... Plastic doesn't hold up very well against grit.
Captain, You may just have you a decent traveling side-kick as long as you clean it after each use.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
Oh hell yes Freddie! The bottom snaps off for cleaning, and I have a small brush I use after finishing up. The tolerances on the compressor/cutter are so close the average guy doesn't have a chance of checking. Who ever designed those dies is a top rate Tool Maker! Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Jeffo on Thursday, 07-Feb-2008
Has anyone purchased or tried one of these machines yet?
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 03-Jan-2008
I've sent the following via the SimRon contact page:
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I'm hoping you can send me an Exp1000 to review for the Stuffing Your Own site ([link]). My first impression ([link]) lacks any first hand knowledge. If this is doable, my contact information is at [link].
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 04-Jan-2008
I'm still trying to figure out how having to perform two discreet steps instead of one is "likely [to] become the most successful single design in injector history." :-)
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 10-Jan-2008
Apparently not doable, all I got was an automated 'message received'. Capt. Mike had better luck and may have one soon. They are now for sale at RYOT ($23) [link].
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 10-Jan-2008
I'm surprised. Generally, the answer you received is the way my luck runs. I haven't seen it yet though, and none of the tobacco shops around Lorain, Ohio have even heard of it? I was surprised to find new model Supermatics at Cheap Tobacco for $43.89, with the Acetal plastic cutter/compressor. Super 2's are $33.89, and the Excel is $23.89. New Topomatics for $43.89, and the TurdoMatic for $28.00? Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by dan b on Thursday, 10-Jan-2008
I really hope they get around to reading Dave's Email and send him one. It would be great to get a nitty-gritty review and a look at the mechanicals rather than the sugar-coated marketing fluff we're being fed elsewhere. Of course they may want to wait until after the intial hype has worn-off before risking an objective review.
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I'm surprised nobody was talking about it earlier since I stumbed across the website around Thanksgiving. It looks like it should be an ideal travel injector, and at under $25 could potentially be a great starter machine. Time will tell, I'm sure.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 11-Jan-2008
Dave, If the Exp1000 was as good as "Inron" claims it to be.... They would be eager to send you one for evaluation...... With your site traffic/exposure and if the Exp1000 is any good..... It would be a great sales booster.
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After taking a closer look at their website and video.... I think the Exp1000 is just a cheap re-make and distant second to the Supermatic II.... Or better yet just another expensive re-make of the hand-held slider.
If "Inron" fails to submit one to StuffingYourOwn web site for evaluation..... Stay with the proven Supermatic II before blowing your money on the Exp1000.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 11-Jan-2008
One way or the other a few of us will get our hands on one of these EXP 1000's. D&R should have them in stock any day now, and I think BR already has them for $21.95. I'm planning on one of these as a travel machine if it works to my satisfaction. It'l save me room not having to take my Topomatic in it's special box! Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008
Well, I've come to the decision to make the EXP-1000 my main machine. The reasons why are several. Once I got the feel for loading the EXP, it got faster to operate. Using a tube with a 17mm filter I get no overhang, or so little I can stove it in with my fingertip.
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Using the 20mm tubes leaves a little more overhang, but is easily stove in with the finger tip. In fact, the only tubes I have to trim are the 25mm SilverTip Extra, or the Laramie Shorts, but even then, it's only a slight trim. I get constant draw-ability from one to the next, and it doesn't make any difference what tobacco I am using; as long as it isn't too damp. The EXP is an exceptional design. All the parts inside are plastic, with the exception of the Loading/Compression Lever; which is metal. According to Ron over at Simron, "The machine is good for many thousands of cigarettes. There is noting on the machine that can wear out. The main stress is on the link motion at the round rivet. These pieces before plating are Rockwell treated along with a self lubricating treatment". The cutting surface is shaped in a V, and the cutter/compressor channel is tapered a few Thousands. Ron says: "The cutter will get tighter when it gets very close to making the cut. The concept if like a pair of scissors. You will notice the small V shape on the tobacco slot. Now when the cutters drop down to the V it must get tighter (a few thousand of an inch) and cut the tobacco. The very tightness will keep the cutter from fish tailing and to continuously make the right cut. A simple patent I have on the product but it works".
The metal compressor lever has what looks to be a Teflon or Nylon bushing to protect the plastic from wearing from the metal. the push point is a simple one on one. One joint on the Lever and another on the Compressor/Cutter Block itself dead center.
In my opinion this machine is the closest to perfect I've owned as a multi-sized tube injector. No torn ends, a perfect pack every time, unless you under load it, and its small footprint to me make the EXP an everyday machine that performs superbly with all the tobaccos I use. And, it's made in Canada, and the main man is in Florida! I am really getting to resent seeing stamped on everything "Made in China", or "Made in Mehico"! All's left to do is box up the Top-O-Matic to put in storage. Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Jeffo on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008
Thanks Captain,
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For the in depth posts you've taken the time to share with us about this machine. Sounds very good. I'll be purchasing one of these eventually and this post just cinched it. I'm very happy with my new "C" Series Supermatic especially after doing Dave Ler's shortened spoon, surgical tubing mods and readjusting the release timing. Also made in Canada. Thanks again for your valuable reports on the EXP1000.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 12-Feb-2008
Thanks Jeffo. I do my best to give a detailed account of my experience with a given product including the not so favorable details. I appreciate your comments. Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 13-Feb-2008
If we don't stop buying Chinese Junk, Capt Mike.... We are all going to be speaking Chinese because they (and Wal-Mart) will own this country.
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 13-Feb-2008
I'm nerved about the e-x-p overtaking the crankamatics
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could this be real??
I think I make smokes a bit diff than Mike, as I tap ten times and end up manually adding tobacco, so it might not work the same for me???
further, has anyone actually counted how many sticks yielded from a pound?
I screwed up, but I don't think I was getting 2 cartons
maybe I'm just off, off, dunno anything
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Al H on Wednesday, 13-Feb-2008
My two cents worth after a week. Use this injector when traveling ONLY !
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This machine doesn't hold a candle to the Supermatic. The only thing it has going for it is its compact size.
I'm very disappointed in the quality of the sticks. CAVEAT EMPTOR (or whatever those latins say)
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 13-Feb-2008
I am waiting to see what Capt Mike has to say after 30 days or more of everyday use of the EXP.... Most things that I bought worked pretty well when they were new or used very little. :)
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Kerry on Wednesday, 13-Feb-2008
At first glance, and no, I don't own one, it looks to be a glorified version of a hand held stuffer. However, Captain Mike is not a newbie to SYO and has made some good posts regarding tobacco and machines, so I am going to reserve any judgement and, like you, wait for further review after he has has "lived" with the machine for a while.
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Bugs seem to hide well in anything new.
In the mean time my SM with no plastic cutter/compressor or any other mods works fine, albeit I take special care with the hydration level of my tobacco.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
Kerry, I agree with you on a lot of things, like taking care of my tobacco, and seeing to it that it is properly hydrated. Further, as you say, time will tell all! The Exp has already paid for itself in good, quality sticks made, and it does have a two year Warranty, and it didn't cost me $100 for the second year either! But never the less, I'll report anything that comes up good or bad. I'm going to grab the old flash box and see if I can get some pictures of it innards to post. Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
Quite frankly Freddie, so am I! I spoke with the owner, Ron, about how tight the machine is the closer you get to the cut. He explained to me that he in fact patented that aspect along with several other patents to prevent the cutter from "fish tailing" when it makes the cut. The cutting edge is shaped like a long V to facilitate even and consistent cuts. Ron says the EXP is designed to produce many thousands of smokes! Even though it works like a champ now, like you, I am judicially keeping a "Weather Eye", and I will report here anything that develops good or bad, and you can count on it!
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Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 14-Feb-2008
Mike,
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There is a learning curve with any machine. That said, I found out on the first few sticks that the EXP likes to run light. You have to pull tobacco to each end, and pack it more so than a Top or Super, then fill the middle. I've under filled, overfilled and now I'm getting it perfect most of the time. The EXP will load from .08/10ths a gram to 1.1 Gram depending on how you pack the corners--then the middle. There are 28 Grams to the Oz, and 16 Oz to the Pound; so that equals 448 one Gram sticks. The empty tubes weigh .02/10ths of a Gram, with some coming in a .03/10th Gram. A sampling of my sticks today yealded from .09 to 1.1 Gram per stick with a Tare of .02/10ths Gram. That's the trick of it! Now when I use a stick with a 17mm filter element, I don't have to tap at all! If anything, I just stove in the tobacco with my finger tip. With a 20mm filter I need 1 or 2 taps, then stove in the end. 22-25mm filter, and I need to tap and trim. Where I had to be watchful not to put in too much tobacco with the Top, I now have to be sure to load both ends till I feel resistance, then pull tobacco to the middle.
Mike, I too had my doubts. All I wanted was a machine to use when I travel, and that was my goal in buying the EXP. I am as amazed to report my experiences as you are in reading them. I simply read the directions twice, then went to work. Up until the other day the instructions were on my loading tray in case I needed to refer to them for something. In fact, I'd have bet good money it wouldn't work as well as it does! And, if someone told me I'd be stowing my Topo, I'd have laughed my funky ace off! Hey Mike, you aren't off, or just off; you know more than you let on my old friend! Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by KL on Friday, 15-Feb-2008
I'm working on my 2nd day with the EXP1000 and everything capt. mike said is right on the mark. he left me with nothing original to say. Mine is tight to, so I guess it's supposed to be that way.
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I just love the damn thing. Didn't need to read any directions and every stick has been damn nice, no filter gaps. the fact that there wasn't any rubber on the gripper post made me think mine fell off but it's supposed to be like that and it works great as it is. Snap off the white bottom plate for an easy clean job and your done. I might just get another one for the hell of it
P.S.
I wonder what the EXP2000 will look like?
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 15-Feb-2008
oh dear
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I still haven't ever sold anything on ebay, shit
hurry up and either break it or just say some negative stuff about it
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 15-Feb-2008
Mike, What's going on? I think I know what your getting at. It's like my skepticism towards Hand Held injectors! I'd never have believed they were capable of working so well till I actually had time to live with the two I have for a while. I kind of felt that way about the EXP as well! It's simple, it's way better than I expected for $22! Think about how nice it would be when you go visiting to just stuff your machine in your pocket and go; as long as they got tubes and tobacco where you are going! Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Mike,
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I really appreciate the blow by blow on the Exp1000 and have contacted my favorite retailer (LB) urging them to look into it.
One question, what's the difference or advantage of this unit over the basic hand held injector?
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Other than costing 3 to 4 times more.... good question.
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
I was going to say headache, frustration, anger, and much lower life-span, but I would be "projecting" a bias I don't know exists:
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I would say this: nobody buy it until Dave is sent a a promo, especially those who have been enjoying and making good use of these forums-
it's (about) time, the percs and reward flow in- the FC doesn't count as that took too much BS to get him and we already knew it would fail.
and my usual parting comment: a properly set-up crank with the HIGHLY recommended plastic cutter requires NO LUBE, and if you are using it you likely have OCD, which is OK, I have my own form of it.......
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 15-Feb-2008
Hey KL,
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Well, I take it that you like it! Ron is suppose to be coming out with a 6.5mm model of the EXP in April. I'm going to get one. Getting a second one Too? Actually, so am I. The neighbor lady makes her own smokes from gas station tobacco. She likes 100mm, so I gave her the Hildbrant I got from Mr. Wong, since her HH 100 shooter didn't work too well. When she seen my little EXP she picked it up, and when I told her it makes 100's too she stuck it in her pocket, and offered the Hildbrandt back! No No Hell No I says! I'm guessing the Hildbrandt isn't working as well as it was when new?
The gripper is that way to cause the filled tubes to slide off rather than tear the paper. Did you notice the light spring tension on the tube keeper? I don't think you'll find another machine for $22 that works as well as the EXP! Capt Mike
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by KL on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
I totally agree. I love the thought that went into this little Jewel. Looks like there is way too much fear about such a nice little device. whats the big deal.
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Dave Z. likes his too and ryosmoker has had one for a while and loves it from day one, no learning curve to speak of. I never seen so much negativity from so many people that never tried it. Like ryosmoker told me. he could see why the people that made the EXP probably wont give out free samples to be reviewed cause all it would take is a few miss lead impressions and a ton of negative people that never tried it will trash the hell out of a great product just to justify the money they spent on other machines. it's just fear of the unknown, running amuck. All I can say is, Come on in ! the waters fine.
OR
it's not that much money for what you get, and what you get is a great product.
It's just as simple as that.
just give it a try, what can it hurt ? or dont, thats fine too
kl
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by KL on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
smooth said :
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"One question, what's the difference or advantage of this unit over the basic hand held injector?"
Thats easy
it's the best of both worlds. The speed of the crank jobs and the size and light weight of a Handheld. One more cool thing about this hybrid style machine.
It seems to compress a slightly smaller tobacco plug than lets say a supermatic, cause it just will not inject a tube thats too tight. I really like that about it, I really dislike a tube thats too tight to draw well and makes the smoke seem like a light. You don't ever seem to get that problem with the EXP.
kl
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Sunday, 24-Feb-2008
KL,
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Thanks for your input!
Although I do like a fairly moist & tight pack, after Capt. Mike's reviews and a price point of $22 I'll have to get one to try out.
Haven't heard back from Lil' Brown yet on when they will be carrying them so I'll call them Monday and make further inquiries.
Thanks to all the helpful folks here!
Smooth in "Okrahoma"
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by KL on Sunday, 24-Feb-2008
Smooth :
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I think you'll like it . I read quite a few people are getting two of them, Freddie, capt. m and others.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Monday, 25-Feb-2008
Lil Brown says they still haven't heard anything from the manufacturer.
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Small operation I suppose?
Looks like I'll be looking elsewhere. :-/
Suggestions on sources appreciated.
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by dave z on Monday, 25-Feb-2008
D&R sells them as well as RYOtobacco and American Thrust. You have to call D&R though, its not their website yet (lol).
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
It looks as though I've lucked out.
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Lil Brown emailed me this evening with the news that they had received the EXP 1000.
They noted the quality of the machine, "a very good machine", but sadly felt the price point wouldn't work with what they currently carry. :-/
The good news is they have offered to ship it with my next order.. which I promptly made. :-)
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
Hmm, the retail price is $21.95 (Manufacturer Suggested), How much did they charge you? I've decided to run mine till she quits! Upon closer inspection of the warranty, if the machine breaks you simply box it up and ship it back to Simron! So, we'll see how she goes. Since I now have a spare unit--we'll see if it can actually take daily use, and for how long. The only thing is it squeeks, and I have to find a plastic lube somewhere; since I can't seem to find mine. I use alcohol swabs to clean the residue off the cutter/compressor only because I was told by Ron (Simron) that it was o.k..Capt Mike
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- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Smooth on Sunday, 02-Mar-2008
Didn't charge me a dime.
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Lil Brown threw it in for free.
Good prices, service and a prize in the bottom.
<grin>
- Re: Exp1000 Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Monday, 03-Mar-2008
Good deal! I hope you enjoy it! Capt Mike
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