Royale-Matic
RYOC/FairPrice recently started selling the Royale-Matic (RYOC page), another Supermatic clone, for $28. mike c reports that repair service is available.
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- Re: Royale-Matic Update
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 09-Oct-2007
Just had words with one of the nicest retailers there are (I can back that up)
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I am a man of truth, so thus: the machines have a repair address, and $20 bucks get the whole thing redone, (and reshipping next day) regardless, and parts availability is on the horizon.....partially per my request???......it's a fantastic machine at it's price....
- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by just me on Tuesday, 31-Jul-2007
dear smokin'.....
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it occurs to me...you've got a Royale-Matic!!! everybody's got that Supermatic look but how many have that tricked out weird glowy colored machine (that keeps drawing my eye), and it's not a huge secret that I prefer this machine to the Super (after slight modding) though this will probably be the last time I state that on camera......
you saved cash there
but the point of this post is YOUR opinion of it VS the SM 2????
you CAN put the plastic cutter on the RM, I guarantee!!!!~!(though I haven't done it)
- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 31-Jul-2007
I really don't have an opinion Mike. I stripped the threads on the gripper timing release on the Royale-matic before I got a chance to make more than a couple of sticks on it. Will the new plastic cutter work on the supermatic II. I can tell you that I like my supermatic a lot better than I did since I got the turbo-matic.
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- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 31-Jul-2007
ok...here is what I am thinking and hoping from my own experience....
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I am betting and gambling that you in fact have simply done what I have done a few times now.....ruined the nut but not actually ruined the rivnut......
in which case I can fix you right up with a better Arbro one....there is only one problem,,,,,I haven't figured out how to remove the bad nuts yet......but surely it is easy and I simply lack the proper tool, thoughts, and skill......here's hoping that the answer pops right up......
seeing as how the plastic cutter can be manipulated by sanding I bet you could fit one on a Fresh Choice if you wanted or even the turbo-matic....
so lets see if things start getting better and we can put your 2 devices into a dogfight!!!!!!
- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 31-Jul-2007
No, the bolt is stripped. I tried another nut on it. I have a new supermatic II that I bought for a backup. I can take the gripper mechanism off it and put it on the Royale-matic.
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- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 01-Aug-2007
I am only half awake (morning) ....
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in this case still good....yeah I wasn't positive which piece you were speaking of, and GOOD that it didn't happen to the rivnut but the other dealie (yup, half awake).......
in this case new parts can all be purchased if needed,,,,,,and I hope mine is just another stripped nut,,,,,,,btw, how do you get the nut off? imagining it still doesn't want to unscrew from a stripped situation???
also, don't hold me strictly to this, but I seem to recall noticing that parts were all more interchangeable than I had at first noticed and thought.....though I must say I prefer having Arbro linkage on my bitch with heavy use, etc......
hopefully you can just pull the h-linkage, maybe the cutter, the other dealie, the better Arbro gripper cap, and generally whatnot else to bring the red one up.....then you can compare and decide which fills to your better liking........and a couple sidenotes......in one of my posts I downplayed the plastic cutter which was a mistake so I wish to upplay it again....definitley better, less prone to lockup/jam, etc etc....also, I have discovered that some machines require the washers on the linkage and some don't....but if h-link nuts are moving ever or working loose then it looks like you need them....
- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by Dave L on Wednesday, 01-Aug-2007
For removing the stripped nut you could try prying from below (knife blade or screwdriver) while turning the nut.
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- Re: Royale-Matic vs SM 2
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 01-Aug-2007
those little things are EVIL to me Dave.....the last sucker I had by the tail in a pair of channel-locks or whatever they are while trying to unscrew and I couldn't get it
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and while I communicate to you:
I can tell you this which brings us (I think closer to your cutter confirmation)
there is a slight difference between my clones and the Premier posts/pegs whatever, and while the h-link screws are NOT interchangeable, the cutters ARE
- Re: Royale-Matic-time sensitive info
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 26-Jul-2007
maybe I am the only collector, ,maybe not, but the Royale-Matics available now from RYO/FairPrice are only limited protos, and I must say the blinding shade of red-pink appealed to me for a change.....I think I'll be using 'matics around the home as art in the same way the truly disturbed put 1o,ooo clocks strewn about..........I'll be having BOTH machines, of course@@@.......this one will become a collector item if anyone cares like I do, the same way my proto Ulltimatic with the darker paint will someday command high dollar, esp with me at the verbal helm of description..........the Royale-Matic is compatible with the SM where plastic cutter is concerned and everything else for that matter..........the chipping paint I mentioned was my doing......I will help anyone get the time release where YOU want it....I swear........BTW, going on reports here on forum, and my own exerperience with more of the non-Topomatic clones, leaves me to conclude the extreme "tightness" during stroke on SM is exclusive to that machine, or was (maybe only certain models, bad factory day, etc etc)..."love" ,mike
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- Re: Royale-Matic-time sensitive info
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 26-Jul-2007
meant to point out that the newer "Royale-Matics" will be face-lifted and changed with a handsome look in mind, I'm gathering
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so it SHOULD be different art for the home......haha....and functional at that (I'll probably still fancy the iridescent glowing red-pink one myself, shall see, shall, see
Friday's almost here
- Re: Royale-Matic....my report
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 21-Jul-2007
I have it now, and I will do my best to honestly describe through my eyes.
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What I am about to say reflects my own opinion, and am hoping if I am incorrect somewhere, it will only invite conversation....(info share, etc)
If you are willing to make a couple easy adjustments, this is it.....this is what you want to make the most affordable leap to a crank machine from a hand held device.
To start, Smokin' n Jokin' made the proper educated guess.....this machine is a Chinese made machine, exactly an Ultimatic, painted red and labeled "Royalematic"......the dead giveaway that I noticed the second I opened it was the factory setting of the time release plate....EXACTLY as Smokin' N' Jokin' reported.....the setting was exactly as the Ultimatics come, unadjusted, with the washer being up in the way of the 100's setting........
the second glaring clue, is that the nuts used on the plate are the 7/8 ones rather than the 1/4 ones used by Arbro Inc........
The machine comes in a nice box with a picture of the Royale-Matic, which trumps the Ultimatic's blank white box......instructions are still not included, but IMHO, if you hang out on this forum, the instructions are like pre-skool things anyway, unneeded.............
2 things recommended.....when you adjust the time release, be VERY VERY careful to never overtighten the nut, otherwise it will strip.....replacing these with Arbro nuts is recommended when/where possible but not mandatory.......
the second VERY important feature is that these machines are being sent out with plastic gripper caps that are so thin they need immediate replacement (imagining this was part of SnJ's problem right away)
Once again, thanks to this site, it shouldn't be a problem, since simple R/C airplane fuel line is recommended for all machines really, it's more forgiving, cheap by comparison, and lasts and lasts......
this is a controversial part, and I am only speaking truth as I see it, and hope Dave may help me understand this one, etc, but he will have to remember to talk REALLY REALLY elementary for me to understand. (which has NOTHING to do with "short-worded")
I don't like my Supermatic.......key words/statement..."MY" Supermatic....
it does NOT fill a cigarette as well as the Ultimatic's and now the Royalematic.......I do not know why, but it IS true...the only OBVIOUS difference is the nozzle size, and from reading, not all have a small one, so there could be Supermatics I would like best of all......(except looks, but, who cares)
The Supermatic is made in the highest of industry standards, and you won't get the totally expert paint job, and highest quality of certain parts, with these........BUT, to me, that isn't enough reason to skip this.....
as long as you do not jam the living $hit out of it, you'll be fine......
a comment to Smokin'........When I think about it, I don't believe there is such as machine (crank style) that will fill your tube tightly to the filter and also to the tip without any following "work".(unless you adjust spoon sizes like Dave does, but I'm not smart enough, yet)......Once I adjusted my machine (before making even one cigarette), it makes a smoke perfectly and exactly like my Ultimatics........the gripper cap I put on isn't one of my very best, it is an intermediate one, and I have gotten a few slight paper tears due to it's newness....this just tells me it's filling hard like I want it to..........I can always "tell" when my machines have filled properly, and so I then just do my "tap-ritual", and I'm a happy huffer
(I always use 100 setting, haven't even made one on reg, but sure it will work perfect)
with my Supermatic, the fill I speak of is NOT a matter of reaching the filter, etc...it is in the diameter........they say you can wait and the stick will "puff itself out", but this is not my experience, and I want mine totally full and ready to smoke instantly.......the last Ultimatic I got (the other day), and this machine, both have the largest nozzles yet, and the Ultimatic has trouble fitting DnR tubes.......which to some of you may sound awful, but to me is OK, I have my scissors that easily make them fit
I wish I knew how to submit digital photos (or take them) so I could show where I set my time-release...it's really easy once you get used to it, it just sucks up five minutes or so, and does require a bit of patience......
and for the last part.......I have "relaxed" a little about the plastic cutter, the reason I like it so much is the thought of it preventing scratches on the chamber floor...the performance is really about the same, although maybe a bit more loose tobacco going under machine with the aluminum one........so I stray for a second, bare with me....yes these bases fit very tight, and I tend to just "set" my machines on top, rather than fully mating them on, so I can easily and quickly "empty out" loose tobacco...
eventually getting an Arbro mat is also not a bad idea, as that one is more flimsy, easier to work with, etc.......and less smell if you're one of "those people" (kidding)..............the further good news is that the machine can be upgraded at a future point if you WISH to, with an Arbro H-Link, Cam, and cutter, although you should really never need to do this unless you just want to........
another difference is that this machine is connected to RYOC/FairPrice, and the man who runs it is Sergio, very nice man, so you have a place to go if there is a problem.....also, I'll be glad to help if I can, and if it involves me, a knower of these particular machines
I say get it before the price gets raised....this IS IT
mike c
ps-I am considering letting my Supermatic go in trade for tobacco, or yet another Royale-Matic, or something, unless Dave teaches me how to get equivalent sticks with it
- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
Dear SnJ, PLEASE report DETAILED info on the Royale-Matic, as I want one but have a feeling I may not get it.......how is it compared to SM2, and if you have any SM exposure, do your best, please sir......is the nozzle larger than you SM2, same, smaller, whatever......metal cutter?? warranty??? quality of stick fill??? HURRY!!!! I'm bored today and it's too humid/hot here
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- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
Mike, I just got the machine yesterday so I haven't had a chance to give it a workout yet. I have a supermatic II but not a supermatic so I can't say whether or not it is a true supermatic clone. Here is what I know so far. It arrived with no manual, no instructions and as far as I know no warranty. The body is two piece formed metal with a rubber mat that doesn't fit very well. I've tried a half a dozen different tube brands and all seem to fit fine, so I'm assuming the nozzle diameter is whatever it should be. It is in need of some adjustment. When the lever is set at 100MM the cam bumps up against the washer on the timing release nut not allowing the dimple to seat in the hole in the cam. I'll post pics of this problem later. The cutter is all metal. I made a couple of king size sticks and got filter voids and paper tears, I'm assuming this is because of the timing release mis-adjustment. The cranking action seemed smoother and easier than on the supermatic but this may be just because it's new and I haven't had a chance to abuse it yet. The short story is that if you don't have a crank machine, the Royale_matic is probably better than the one you don't have, but not by much.
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- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
yeah I overtightened a little nut on the gripper plate (too lazy now if I am referring to it wrong) on a newly chaotically acquired ULT machine, (I have no patience with my fave toys) but luckily I have enough extra parts no matter (I got mad and bent the whole mechanism in anger when the nut couldn't be removed with a variety of tools)....with the Ultimatic, installing a plastic cutter and using ARBRO cam and h-link (the regular one does NOT need the washers, although I got plenty of those thanks to one of MANY connections related to this place.......the answer: TWEAKS TWEAKS TWEAKS.....Direct question!!! and the answer I seek may not be the one you'd expect...is the nozzle smaller or larger than your SM2, can you look real hard PLEASE, and also, with the 2 machines side-by-side, maybe after removing rubber mats, (are they) exactly the same size??? my machines are not
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sorry all this
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- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
The Royale_matic and the Supermatic II are exactly the same size. The diameter of the nozzle on the Royale_matic may be between .0005 and .001 inches bigger than on the supermatic.
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- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
Well I've tested this machine pretty throughly and it consistently either leaves filter voids or tears the paper, so I think it's safe to say that it is indeed... a supermatic clone.
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- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
no (in the friendliest of sense), this hobby works for me, I'll get it somehow, and I'll use my mind over matter
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may take a while
the paper tears were common with my first arrival machines,,,honestly forget why that goes away, (maybe dry tobacco in my case) do not discourage too hard.....HOWEVER, cranks IMHO will all always need taps but the prospect of taking a MAGNUM into the bathtub on the floating tray with me inspires me that Kastner will live on.........
and my favorite time to SYO on a machine is when the Texas sky is green, tornadoes are evident, and the power's been out more than 5 mins
- Re: Royale-Matic
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2007
I'm actually looking forward to the day when they get the taxes on premades up to around ten or fifteen dollars a package. Then maybe someone will seize the opportunity and take enough interest in this "hobby" to design and produce a machine that makes a suitable alternative to premades.
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