Vera Cruz
The Nocturne is a, unique and classy, brown full-flavored tube. The Nocturne was originally made by CTC. When St Vincent became the manufacturer, the Elegante, a 'light' (denser filter) white paper/cork tip version of the Vera Cruz was introduced. The Vera Cruz tubes, like the Ramback, have 20mm filters.
Dec '07: Vera Cruz Midnight, black tubes with 22mm filters, are now available from D&R.
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- Vera Cruz Whites (Elegante)
- Posted by KL on Friday, 08-Feb-2008
The Vera Cruz Whites has got to be the coolest looking tube there is. The paper is a normal white, the cork colored tipping has a cool gold and maroon banding and the print job is a nice clear red lettering. They smoke like they are a Full Flavor tube.
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They have no taste of their own at all and stuff with no filter gap, using the supermatic crank injector. The 20mm filter seems to smooth out the smoke quite nice without changing the taste or making it any lighter. I will definitely order more of these
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 14-Dec-2007
I thought to myself I'm the last guy anyone would want to have provide my thoughts on yet another Vera Cruz variant, after all the griping I did when they re-engineered the first Vera Cruz Nocturne! I really enjoyed that tube; with its' 17 mm filter. This new Midnight tube has impressed me somewhat though. First off, it is a good looking stick; especially filled with Ramback Balkan, or another light colored tobacco. A designer smoke! The old Nocturne had a 17mm filter, the re--engineered Nocturne has a 20 mm filter, and the Midnight has a 22mm filter element. I decided to use my Five Brothers Smoking Tobacco, and Ramback Balkan to see where this new tube fit in. The Ramback Balkan seemed almost unchanged--almost, but it did get lessoned a little, but then I'm use to using Gambler FF and El Rey FF, and also hand rolled with this tobacco, so I knew I'd notice something different about the smoking experience! The Five Brothers Smoking Tobacco on the other hand was also different in that it was indeed smoother smoking in the Midnight than in a Gambler FF or El Rey. I believe there's more to that 22mm filter element than the size of it though! The new Midnight draws easier than the Nocturne, and almost the same as an El Rey--this I tried with no tobacco loaded in the tubes! The color of the filter seems to be a bit brighter as well on the Midnight? I also did the old glass of water trick I learned from Kerry I believe, and very little of the black could be seen leaving the tube--in fact it's still blacker than coal! I think there is other magic afoot with the new Midnight tubes! At any rate, I think the new Vera Cruz will become popular because of its' looks with the flat black tube, gold writing and artwork and the Gloss Black Tipping Paper! The Midnight is quite different, and I plan to keep some on hand! Capt Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Monday, 17-Dec-2007
I will take a shot at a review. First to let you know where I am coming from. I use Buglar tubes. I wont go through a long history of tubes I have tried, but I moved from el ray lights to Buglar. I found them to be slightly more harsh then an el ray light. But, less harsh then then an el ray FF. In short a "medium" tube.
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If you are thinking that the Midnights are going to be lighter because of the 22mm filter. You will be disappointed. They are more harsh then the Buglar. I can only guess that the denser, longer filter is to overcome the thickness of the paper, the dye, and so forth. The stiffer paper does make stuffing easy. On the harshness scale I would put them on a par with a Premier FF tube.
If you are looking for the element of cool. The fun factor. They are an unusual looking tube. And a black cigarette is...well, black. How cool is that :). One disclaimer. They do not look like the photos found on this web site. The printing of the name is less sharp. And they are also a two tone black. I also found that the glue lines dont line up the gold rings that go around the filter.
If I have sound picky here keep in mind that with postage these things cost about double what my other tubes have cost. If you pay twice as much for something you expect a bit more effort.
To sum up, I will look at these things the same way I do my wrist watches. I have every day work watches, And a dress up watch. Vera Cruz Midnight tubes will probably become like my dress up watch. Not too practical. But fun to show off. If they ever do find a way to make such a cigarette taste milde.r It would be worth the extra money to use on a daily basis.
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Monday, 17-Dec-2007
Just a sort of P.S.
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I got the Midnights from D&R. This was my first dealings with D&R. While ordering I asked about samples. (I have never tried their tobaccos) I assumed they would sell me a small quantity at an appropriate price. The girl on the phone surprised me by saying that she would send me a sample of Windsail for free. As this was one of the brands I wanted to try, I was quite pleased. I became less pleased when I did not receive the sample. Now I am in a sort of catch 22 position. I can't really complain about not getting the Windsail since it was free. But, I don't want to pay for additional postage, and a fee for some tobacco samples. I am not unhappy with my regular tobacco at any rate. I just thought I would try their product.
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Monday, 17-Dec-2007
I have to post a retraction. I noticed the corner of a plastic bag sticking out of the trash can my wife threw the packing peanuts into. It was the Windsail sample.
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I owe D&R an apology.
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by mike c on Monday, 17-Dec-2007
very glad to hear that.....because i was about to mail mark about that since I seem to have established a friendship there
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if that ever happens it's just an accident
FTR...one of my personal very favorite things is the pocket-pen snuffer(s) I got from them......I just found out they may not be able to get any more so I thought I'd mention that
without automobile, I use mine constantly.....
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007
One quick after thought on the Midnight's. They really should have made them in 100mm to make up for the filter length. They spoon on my supermatic is pushing into the filter. And forcing the tube out of the gripper.
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007
chuckle...I pushed the wrong button somewhere.
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Dave L on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007
Fixed. See Long Filtered Tubes and Spoon Length.
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 24-Dec-2007
I just got my box of midnights and immediately stuffed one and it may just be the aftertaste from my everyday smoke, but to me I could taste a little tinge of something that I can only relate to as cardboard like I get this from the Veracruz nocturnes.
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I could just be overly hypersensitive I guess and I am in no way disparaging these tubes, or the excellent service that I received from D&R. But I did get smart this time and only ordered one box versus the four of the nocturnes three of which is still sitting in the Cabinet :-)
They are definitely a good looking tube and the box is nice-looking as well. And I will try again later after cleansing my palate with my normal Christmas Eve glass of Johnny Walker blue, and give it another try.
So Merry Christmas to all, and thank the Santa Claus's at the Postal Service and at D&R for making my Christmas bright and happy :-)
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Dano on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I got a box of these last week. I must say they are a very attractive tube. The problem for me is the 22mm filter. It radically alters the taste of your tobacco. That's not necessarily a bad thing it just means if you're used to your smoke tasting one way it's going to taste totally different with this filter. I'd like to see them put a more conventional 17mm filter in it. Very classy looking neutral tube though.
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PS: The girl at D&R indicated to me that they were presently selling them only 1 box at a time because of beta testing? (or something to that effect). And to be picky, I also noticed a bit of crinkling where the tube and filter paper meet. Not a big deal but it shouldn't happen in a premium priced tube. I also wonder about how many people here actually like these new 22mm tubes.
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALLTALL on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
My final impression, having smoked them for a week or so now, is that they are a little harsh. Not unsmokable by any means. Just harsher than some tubes costing half as much, or less. I think the novelty of a black tube will wear off quickly for most people. And they will go back to their regular tubes unless they can find a way to make them more neutral in taste.
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I like these new Vera Cruz Midnight tubes, but I loved the original Vera Cruz with the 17mm filter! I wasn't going to get into this, but anyone who looks back in the posts will know my feelings on the subject anyways. These Midnights are good, and I enjoy them, but for me?
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I decided to experiment and cut 5mm from a packs worth of tubes. The filter element seems to be made from different material as well--it seems to be more absorbent. I cut the filters using a single edge razor blade to be sure to not damage the remaining elements, and I was surprised by the results! I used Two Timer, Roland Platinum, Windsail Platinum and Bali Shag Red. To look at the filter during smoking there is no difference in the absorption; in other words the filter was the same color clear to the tipping paper. I thought it would be an easy task, but it's taken me all day to do. In fact, it's a close call in some instances. I know if Doug Kennedy reads this he'll want to load me up with rock salt, but there is a difference for the better IMHO with the shortened filter! It is a subtle difference, but it's there! Bottom line is it would be nice if they would bring back the 17mm filter in a new model of the Vera Cruz, because it is a PITA to cut the 22mm down to 17mm. Subtle enough to enjoy, yes! Is it worth the work cutting down the Midnight's filter; it depends on the individual's taste. As for me, may be once in a while, but I can enjoy any tobacco in them I choose to use without reservation. If and when a 17mm Vera Cruz is engineered I'll buy them exclusively. But until then I'll use the Midnight tubes off and on; as I plan on keeping some on hand, because they are good tubes on there own.
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by ALL TALL on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I think the required mod to a supermatic (cutting the spoon down) might put some folks off. I can see no other way to deal with the 22MM filter. So a commitment is required to make these an everyday tube any way. It might be a good idea for them to go to the 17MM for that reason also.
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I agree with you that most folks aren't going to mod their machine to accommodate the longer filter. The only other way is to adjust the tube release; which gets complicated quick if you never did it before.
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I've written e-mails concerning this topic to different people, and have been told two things: (that people complained about not being able to hold the smoke between their fingers [with the 17mm filter], because of it being soft/collapsed), (and that some wanted more filtration). My argument has been that several other big name manufacturers have either a 15 or 17 mm filter, and they aren't considering any change. So, if I want a 15 mm tube I buy Zig Zags, or 17 mm Gambler, or El Rey. Another argument presented by the owner of the Cheap Tobacco Chain Stores is that you don't use as much tobacco with a 23mm filter element! As I said before, I can't figure out why a 17mm Vera Cruz can't be re-issued; since there no longer is a problem finding someone to manufacture them as there was years ago. I got no doubts a 17mm Vera Cruz Midnight would sell! For that matter, I believe all the Vera Cruz mods would sell if they had 17mm filters. Whacking off 1/2 to 5/8 inch of tobacco isn't a practice that has saving tobacco in mind to my thinking anyways? I don't see any commitment coming as long as people are willing to use what they have been offered! I use the Vera Cruz tubes now and then myself, and have two boxes of Nocturnes on hand, so I'm just as guilty as anyone I guess. Capt Mike
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
hey mike....I'm sort of thinking out loud to you as I peck here, but wouldn't you agree that one of DnR's purpose(s) and whole reason for the longer filters is "stuffability".......
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I find that starting at 17(mm) and going up, the stuffing just gets easier and better, but I do still like the draw of a 15 now and again
I just want to make sure newer RYO folks don't mispersceive that DnR's line of tubes are about the best for stuffing there is, in as far as the actual injection process goes.......
I'm wondering if your Top works so well that you are having to do major trimming even after tapping???
but I can surely say that for the other 'matics the DnR tubes stuff top-notch
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
Hey Mike, No, I don't think so. The reason is as I said in my post. I have to tap and trim every tube no matter who made it, and I like it that way. I like it because a trimmed stick is hard to tell from a factory made-- taped and trimmed properly, and the tobacco stays put longer too. I am an old fan of the 17mm Original Nocturne, and was quite put out when they stopped making them. My point being so many others still make tubes w/17mm filters. Mike, I'm so use to tapping and trimming I don't know what I'd do with a machine that finished the sticks like tailor mades! I'm quite happy with my Topomatic; because when loaded correctly I get a firm stick from the filter out and a tap and trim and I'm good to go! Capt Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
Mike, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me I believe Mark explained to me last year that folks complained of a soft spot where the smoke rests between the fingers, so it was decided to go to a 20mm filter to alleviate that problem. The guy who owns the Cheap Tobacco store franchise in Lorain is selling 23mm filter tubes under his Cheap Tobacco name stating that they need less tobacco to fill as a selling point? This is what I was referring to. I'm sorry, I should have been more detailed about the CT tubes. I got curious and decided to experiment with the Midnight, and I probably shouldn't have said anything here about it lest someone misperceive my intent. I buy Nocturnes now and then, and will buy the Midnight as well. Capt Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
oh geez
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i was hoping to have gotten across a little better...sorry sorry....of course my REAL ulterior motive was my suspicion that your TOP is TOP, I was using that opportunity to make clear a great point about our rather beloved DnR company's tubes.....
I am having a memory (myself) of Mark telling me less tossed-away tobacco was another strong point, and interesting your comment about the soft spot, as that is to this day one of my complaints and I recently realized the DnR tubes do hold firm as do the Zens I use regular (which happen to have the 17mm filter)
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by death1 on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Good tube. Not a natural brown. Put a drop of water on it and the color washes away. Its water colored. Not really natural brown color. I've heard somewhere, maybe here, that it was a German requirement that the tube color needed to be water soluble and was changed to meet this requirement. Its a nice tube, don't get me wrong, I'm hooked. It looks great.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by J. Ervino on Wednesday, 20-Jun-2007
I have been making my own smokes for about a year and a half now and have not yet tried the Vera Cruz tube line but am going to get some "Nocturnes " tomorrow at the local cigar/cig shop for a try. I smoke Bugler tobacco and hope they are a good combo. I was also curious as to weather or not the Vera Cruz "Midnight" tubes are out for sale yet as I have not seen these in person... any News on them?
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- Re: Vera Cruz Midnight tubes
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
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Is that a new image on RYOmag? Didn't see it before... I'll ask around for a retailer.
While they're at it, how about
~ VC Dawn (pastel papers/foil tipping a la "sobranie cocktails")
~ VC Ancienne (see-through natural paper / copper tipping)
~ grrl jonesing for excellent tubes
- Re: Vera Cruz Midnights
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007
If you call in your order just ask for them, and if you use their website, just write in what you want them to add in the comments box on the check out page. Capt Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 31-May-2007
Just got my shag samples and 3 boxes of Nocturne's
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I Believe that St Vincent has another winner. We love the Zen ES and my wife is already looking online for Vera Cruz tubes to find out how much more it will cost us to switch.
The 20mm filter makes for a real smooth smoke and I have not noticed any trouble injecting as some have reported. I have used my supermatic and excel and both go smooth.
Paper seems thicker and has a quite different texture compared to Zen or Premier. Havent noticed any paper taste but that could be just me, I have noticed most of all the smoothness of the smoke and I attribute that to the 20mm filter.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Buffalo Bilious on Friday, 01-Jun-2007
The paper is thicker than Premier? Fugeddabottit.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by David Brown on Friday, 01-Jun-2007
It appears that way to me and to my tactile senses anyway.
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When you go to put a tube on and it is tight on the nozzle for me anyway a zen or premier will collapse with slight pressure the VC seem stiffer and one can put a little into getting a stuck tube on the nozzle.
I know thats not scientific, but thats all I know is that it appears to me to be a stiffer, slightly ticker paper tube than the others I have used (bugler, premier, zen, gizeh, etc)
- Nocturnes, Elegantes
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Thursday, 12-Apr-2007
My first ever SYO order was to D&R. The aptly-named Gloria (as in, Hallelujah! WHAT a nice lady!) stuck a bunch of samples and full boxes in the order she figured I would like, including both Nocturnes & Elegantes.
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1) Both stuff well in my Gizeh GTP, but the Nocturnes have rougher paper which (a) resists the injection a little more and (b) smokes faster.
2) The Nocturnes have a distinct taste. You don't even have to smoke them to figure this out.
Take one box of white paper tubes, any brand; open it, stick your nose in it, take a big whiff. Now do the same with the Nocturnes.
Personally, I get virtually nothing off a white paper tube except a very vague hint of chlorine (Rizla + excepted, probably). Nocturnes have a decided scent of waxed brown paper bag.
3) Last night, my final two orders came in, and as expected The Blonde's eyes lit up when I wafted the Chas. Fairmorn Dark Fired Shag in his direction. He asked if I'd tried it and I said, NOPE, not that one. With a big grin, he said, TOO SCARED? lol, well Yeah, as it happens, I WAS too scared.
Well, he requested a full shot of it, in a Nocturne, so I complied. He was in heaven. (Pipe smokers! Whaddya gonna do with 'em?) :-D
Point being, the combo of Nocturne's rough paperiness/Old Brasil scent, with a really strong dark baccy like CM DFS, is one manifestation of perfection. I tried it, too, and wow. A glass of cognac & one of these? That would be spectacular.
- Re: Nocturnes, Elegantes
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Thursday, 12-Apr-2007
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correction: C"F" DFS, meant to say.
and: These Nocturnes I received are the StV/Phillipines-made, BUT they're not as yellowish-colored as the first run that some folks got months ago. The stem paper is browner than the corky tipping.
however: I did a hot tap water test. 5 seconds' immersion in 2 oz of water, and I got a white tube and what looks like strong tea!
... so this run apparently is the same paper, but with more dye than the original new paper version.
HOWEVER: this MUST be a fairly harmless vegetable stain, to come out so quickly and easily. ???
- Vera Cruz Second Chance
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 25-Jan-2007
Since I was the one who raised a lot of hell over the Vera Cruz Nocturne re-engineering; I felt I should publish the facts as laid out by Mark Ryan at D & R. I spoke with Mark about the VC line of tubes, and asked why they couldn't go back to the way they were with the darker brown paper, and 17mm filter. Mark informed me that back then it was hard to get an off brand tube made. CTC finally agreed to make the Vera Cruz Nocturne after a long negotiation process. When CTC was folding up--that was the death of the Vera Cruz line. There are only two or three manufacturers of the paper used to make all tubes, and Mark had his hands full finding someone to produce the Vera Cruz paper, and then the tube itself. Saint Vincent took on the job of making the tubes, and I don't remember who Mark said makes the paper. The filter was changed to 20mm, because many people complained about the tube collapsing under the tipping paper and the 20mm filter took care of that problem; the next problem was the paper! Do to regulations, the original paper could not be used! Mark told me " I found the paper comparison analysis on the Vera Cruz paper. The old version I suspect didn't pass the requirements of the German tobacco ordinance (tvo) and they may may have modified the recipe for a safe brown paper". The closest match is the paper used today. Regulations require the tube coloring to be water soluble. And there it is! I'm going to try the Vera Cruz Nocturne tubes again, and I'll be buying more with my tobacco order. I only wish I hadn't waited so long to ask someone knowledgeable about it! Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz Second Chance
- Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 25-Jan-2007
To me, it seems that one tube is fine, the next tastes harsh. No idea why. but I prefer the original ones. I had best results using them with Golden Harvest ultra light tobacco and Bugler.
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Report back on what you think.
- Re: Vera Cruz Second Chance
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 25-Jan-2007
Actually Scott I preferred the original Vera Cruz Nocturne too! A couple days ago I smoked my last Original VC tubes. These new VC tubes seem to taste different depending on the tobacco smoked. If I use a high moisture tobacco like McClintock FF, they are not bad, but if I load up some 1839 Mild; it being drier the smoke gets harsh about half way through. Then, I loaded up some Look Out Mild Shag, and no problem? But, if I load up the 1839 in a Vera Cruz Elegante tube--it's a whole different ball game; as the smoke seems to be tamed by the high density filter. So, I guess there's a tube for every tobacco, but not one for all! Strangely, the Original VC 17mm filtered tube was suited to handle more blends and tame the roughnecks. I also have some Zig Zag FF tubes on hand, and they can't handle the drier tobaccos either! Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz Second Chance
- Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 25-Jan-2007
I noticed the same with the Nocturnes and using moister tobaccos. I've also gotten the tubes more moist and used them if I was making one for immediate smoking. Another thing that worked was using dryer tobacco, making the sticks, then putting them back in with moist tobacco to let them draw some of the humidity back in.
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I agree about the Elegante tube. Of course it's a whole different tube. Last time I bought those I really enjoyed using them. And also the Ramback tubes, which are very close if not identical.
I haven't used Zig-Zag FF's in a while, can't remember how they were. But, I have to use moister tobacco with Premier and Rave FF tubes. So, I think I'll stick to the Rave light tubes as they are plenty strong for me and I can get them locally.
When I get back to work, I'll probably pick up some stuff from D&R like the Elegante, Ramback, and Windsail tubes.
sj
- Re: Vera Cruz Second Chance
- Posted by scott johnson on Sunday, 28-Jan-2007
Another thing I've found today. If I pack the VC tubes really tight, they seem to work better. Slow down the burning to a crawl, so to speak.
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sj
- Vera Cruz Nocturne too dry?
- Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 18-Jan-2007
I did some experimenting tonight with the few VC tubes I have left. I haven't been enjoying them much lately and I think I know why. They are drying out to much! I have some Golden Harvest tobacco that is very moist. I put a dozen VC tubes in with them and let them absorb some the moisture. After leaving the tubes in there for several hours, they tasted much better than before. The taste wasn't harsh as it had been.
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I think these tubes, with their thicker paper, are more sensitive to moisture content than plain white paper tubes which are much thinner.
If anyone else is having poor taste or harshness with these tubes, just try to raise their humidity to around 65-70 % and see what happens. I know that my house is dry inside even with a humidifier running.
SJ
- Vera Cruz
- Posted by Big Al on Friday, 10-Nov-2006
Yuk! tried the Nocturnes and they made my Windsail Platinum smoke too harsh.Throwing them out and sticking with the Premier full flavor. Looks aren't everything!!
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by scott johnson on Saturday, 11-Nov-2006
I tried windsail platinum and it tasted harsh in every tube i tried.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Saturday, 11-Nov-2006
Hitting the right combination of tube/tobacco can be an involved process. To me, the optimum tube for Windsail Platinum is Zig-Zag Lights. To a friend of mine, it's Mascotte tubes with his Windsail Platinum or nothing at all. Taste and perception are such subjecive things, after all. But don't throw them out...they may be the perfect tube for another type of tobacco....
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by scott johnson on Saturday, 11-Nov-2006
I decided to give them another try. Figuring what original tubes I received were from the first run. These I'm using now seem to be a little better made. They are all filling properly like they should.
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As far as tube/tobacco combo, I've tried Venguer, Penhooker, Ramback Gold and Two Timer Gold and all seem to taste fine in these tubes.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 30-Nov-2006
I've been trying these new dyed Vera Cruz tubes of and on since I got the order, and there's just something about them that changes the way my taste buds receive/perceive the smoke of any tobacco I've had! Since I ordered 5 boxes believing they were the old model 17 mm Vera Cruz Nocturne--I've had plenty to experiment with. I'm still disappointed with the change in paper and filter size. What happened to the old adage "if it ain't broke--don't fix it"? Rather than eliminate the old and established Vera Cruz Nocturne, the owner should have created new brands! I still have 2 boxes of the New Vera Cruz tubes, and I have been buying Zig Zag FF tubes as the replacement tube. I offered to give them to my neighbor, but was turned down after trying one. To me; the new Vera Cruz Nocturnes just aren't getting it! I sure am not going to wash every tube to get the dye out! Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by KL (kendall Kendall) on Friday, 14-Dec-2007
To me, Ramback Balkan (alone) is the best match to the VC ff tube, out of the tobacco that I have on hand. I can never smoke Ramback Balkan alone, it is just too light, but with this tube I can do it and then get the nice nutty taste from the ramback.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 14-Dec-2007
To me the best way to get the full experience out of Ramback Balkan is to either roll it by hand or machine without a filter. I feel Ramback, and Ramback Balkan are the finest tobaccos I have ever been able to obtain; without a doubt! The new Ramback Midnight Tubes, with their 22mm filter is too much for the delicacies of RB--it simply takes away too much of character of either Ramback. I presume you are talking about Vera Cruz Nocturne Tubes, which to me I could get by on with Ramback Balkan if I didn't have any 17mm or less tubes on hand or papers or non--filtered tubes. I have even resorted to cutting the filter in half with the Nocturnes on occasion with Ramback & RB. I do agree with you that Ramback Balkan has quite a nutty taste; if allowed to present itself! However, smoked in the 6.5 mm Ramback Ultra Slim tube is another story all together! This tube was made for Ramback I think! The 20mm filter in the 6.5mm configuration is quite nice, and allows the Turkish elements to shine through, but not everyone is into slim profile smokes. Capt Mike
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by KL (kendall leonard) on Saturday, 15-Dec-2007
Cap'in :
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I'm always looking for a good match for Ramback and R. Balkan.
Yes, I was talking about the nocturnes, thats all I have in a vera cruz tube.
The other tubes you speak of, I never heard of or seen. Where can I see a box of those tubes. my search did not come up with anything.
So there is a 6.5 mm Ultra Slim Ramback tube ?
Yes, I too I'm into "slim profile smokes" when it comes to tobacco that I really want to taste and/or tobacco that is tricky and must be smoked just right to present itself, like ramback is.
I roll non-filter sticks all the time by hand. I don't think I ever did the ramback that way (I have no idea why, just stupid I guess...) I think I'm going to try that right now with the balkan.
I would really like to know where I can get those slim ramback tubes and an injector for it (if needed).
It seems to me that a slim smoke is tastier for some reason than a fatter one, that would be good for this tobacco.
Also, did you say there was a "new Ramback Midnight Tube" ??? or was that a type-O and meant vera Cruz midnight tube ?.
I guess I could just roll them nice and thin with thin elements papers and with or without short thin filters.
-Kendall
- Vera Cruz pic
- Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 03-Oct-2006
Thanks to Kent C. for the new Elegante pic [link] and belated thanks to Brian M. for the Nocturne pic.
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- Vera Cruz
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 01-Oct-2006
I should mention that the lighter color of the new Vera Cruz Nocturne is due to the fact they are new production, and haven't been in warehouses that long. The old model 17mm VC tubes have been warehoused for over a year, and since the paper is a proprietary, patented natural product; it will darken with age since no bleach is used to whiten it. I apologize for any confusion my first post below may have caused. The old 17mm filtered Vera Cruz Nocturne's are my favorite tube, and when I discovered what appeared at first to be a complete make over I was a bit "put out"; as the British say! Mike
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- Vera Cruz
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2006
I have been buying my Vera Cruz tubes from another on-line site, and was very happy with them. They have a 15 mm filter element, and are made in Canada by CTC Canada Inc., Montreal QC. The finest tubes I've ever used! Then, I see that D & R finally got them in stock, and decided to order them with my tobacco. What a surprise I got when I shot the first tube! First, I noticed the tubes were a different color, a lighter color almost tan. Then, I noticed they had a 20mm filter instead of the fifteen? Even the box is different; as it is not as nice as the Canadian made, and has D & R & St. Vincent, Philippine's stamped on them!
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These tubes are not nearly as good as the Canadian Vera Cruz! They burn faster, run, and are not neutral in taste, and I've had some problems injecting some of them.
I'm disappointed.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by dan s on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2006
I just got a box of these also and noticed the same things.
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Especially that they seemed to burn very quickly. I have only tried them with the new Sigaretta tobacco from D&R. I thought the fast burn was from the tobacco but now that I read your post I am not so sure. I'll have to try one with one of my regular tobacco s to see if it's the tube or the Sigaretta tobacco.
DS
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by scott johnson on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2006
I have noticed lately that i'm having a lot of trouble injecting these. 75% of the time i get a gap at the filter end. thought the Elegante seem to inject just fine. The ones in the first 1/3 of the box were just great, i don't understand.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by platoslostdialogue on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2006
It seems to me that St Vincent has not done a good job at all on their new tubes. Both Laramie and Three Castle tubes I bought leeched a papery taste into the smoke, and burned rather quickly. For some reason it seemed that the paper used on the regular tubes was thinner than that which is used on the lights. They also seem a bit slimmer in diameter. Anyway, I may try the new Vera Cruz but I'm scratching three castles and laramie off my tube list. Its a shame, too. Thinking about "Laramie Slims" before I light up makes me laugh.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 29-Sep-2006
After making some inquiries; I managed to get in contact with the designer of the Vera Cruz tubes. I learned that the paper used is a proprietary, natural unbleached paper. Also, that the original Vera Cruz filters are 17mm. Since it seemed that a majority of MYO folks thought the original VC 17mm filtered tubes were just a bit too strong and some new folks as well--it was decided to go with the 20mm filter. The Vera Cruz Elegante' has a 20mm High Density Filter, and white paper with red and gold rings. I spent the day today trying to duplicate what happened to me when I first got my order of these new tubes. The only new addition to my tobacco supply was Cockstrong, and it happened to be in the two blends I had the trouble with the new tubes. So, after burning several of these tubes with the blends in question--I had some wet runs and a few hot runs. I opened the window, and loaded up the new Vera Cruz Nocturnes with pure Cockstrong. It became evident that the CS was the culpret, not the tubes! No matter how the stick was smoked (hard drag or easy) the CS still sweated the tubes. The CS had a humidity of 66% according to my Western Caliber 3. Yes, I can understand the desire of the designer to please as many palats as possible, but I would like to see the Vera Cruz Nocturne 17mm filtered tubes left on the market! I should note that I had no trouble with any of the other tobaccos I have and smoked in the new Vera Cruz Nocturnes or Elegantes'; just a slight difference in the way my taste buds and palate received/perceived the tobacco.
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- Re: Vera Cruz PAINTED PAPER
- Posted by Scott Johnson on Friday, 06-Oct-2006
I am truly disappointed! out of curiosity, I washed a Vera Cruz Nocturne at the kitchen sink. warm water caused a orange/brown "water color" paint to be washed from the tube. This left a gray-ish colored true paper. I don't know what dye or paint they are using to color the paper brown, but I'm not into smoking paint/dyes.
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- Re: Vera Cruz PAINTED PAPER
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 07-Oct-2006
Damn! I took 4 oz. of warm water and did the same experiment on one of the New Vera Cruz Nocturne's. I came up with the same results. If I didn't know better; I'd think I was looking at a urine sample! I repeated the experiment on an OLD 17 mm Vera Cruz Nocturne, and the results were quite different! The tube only lost maybe a shade of it's original color. The water looked only slightly as tinged as the first! Further, the old 17mm VC tube didn't fall apart as the New one did when I exhaled through the wet tube. I'm going to try drying the tube and injecting it; just because I'm curious. Just by looking at these two tubes--it seems that there are more than one recipe for this "Natural Paper"? I got a feeling that the VC Elegante uses this un-died paper. The lettering didn't wash out of either tube. Well, we now have the choice of bleached or died tubes. I knew there was a reason I liked the old 17mm VC tubes. Nice going Scott!
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- Re: Vera Cruz PAINTED PAPER
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 07-Oct-2006
BTW--I managed to dry the original 17mm Vera Cruz Nocturne tube after the leaching experiment. To my surprise, the tube injected without a hitch. It burned evenly, and I could taste the tobacco even better I thought, but when I got down to the last 1/2 inch; it started to smoke hot.
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- Re: Vera Cruz PAINTED PAPER
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 07-Oct-2006
Hey, it could be food coloring rather than dye?
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- Vera Cruz - St. Vincent USA
- Posted by Scott Johnson on Saturday, 16-Sep-2006
I just got a box of nocturne and elegante and see they are now made by St Vincent. These are very well made, beautiful tubes. I like using these. Seems like even my cheaper tobaccos taste good in these compared to some of the CTC tubes I've used.
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- Re: Vera Cruz - St. Vincent USA
- Posted by scott johnson on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2006
Well, I'm not going to reorder the Nocturnes, but will buy more Elegante. The Elegante inject every time on my excel. The nocturnes are just a headache. 1/2 of them won't fill all the way to the filter. Like the paper is rough inside the tube or something. If I use really dry tobacco, they will work fine. But end up being too hot a burn.
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I just made 3 packs with Windsails, Elegante, and Zen lights with no problems, so I know it's not my injector.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by platoslostdialogue on Sunday, 15-Jan-2006
After about four+ boxes of these tubes, I've found that all vera cruz are not created equally. Some taste good, some taste bad (kind of like tape), others have no taste. I suppose this is something that comes with the territory with "natural" tubes. I wish these tubes were built better (full circumference glue) but they are still among the best of the brands I have tried.
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- Vera Cruz Tubes
- Posted by Tim S. on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2005
I got 5 boxs of them, they look ok but not as nice as I thought they would. The filters on them smoke like light tube ones, the papper reminds me of card board for the most part. These are very over rated, if you ask me they are not worth the money.
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They don't help the smoke in any way, that I can see and I feel they are a let down. They fail on a few fornts, first is the over all look. They look very well made, but also they look like they are a little ciger tube. And looking at the filters, it has a little blackness between the filter and papper.
Making it seem dirty to me, my guess it is the papper and the filter being so white. It does smooth out the flavors, but any lite tube should do that. But these filter are not sold as a lite tube, but they should be sold as one because they smoke like one for sure.
On a rating of 1 to 10, 1 being the lowest, and 10 being the highest. I would rate these a 7 for the highest, and 4 being the lowest. You can buy 2 boxes of good tubes, for the price of one box of these tubes. So these tubes fail big time on price, they are not worth the money no matter how you cut it.
I felt it would of been much better, for them to have made a very well made tube. And fancy looking normal tube, and charge maybe .50 more per box over normal tubes. As to me, they are going in the wrong way with these tubes. And they will not catch on for reg RYO, smokers based on the things in my review. Tim S.
- Re: Vera Cruz: This is almost a verbatum repeat of a past post
- Posted by jake on Tuesday, 10-May-2005
I bought a small case(14 cartons) of them from D&R (Mark Ryan). As elegant as they are, I don't care for them. The tubes bring too much attention to me. My price was $2.75/carton + shipping. I'll sell 13 cartons for $35 and ship FREE!
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If no interest is shown, I'm almost sure that D&R will take them for credit. I bought tubes and my Supermatic Premier from him in the past. Makes no difference to me if I ship to Mark or YOU! I still have to pay freight.
- Re: Vera Cruz: This is almost a verbatum repeat of a past post
- Posted by Kurt Wall on Saturday, 04-Jun-2005
I'm interested.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Andy on Monday, 09-May-2005
I've been using Premier Lights since I began MYO about 2 months ago. I turned a friend at work onto MYO and he tried the Vera Cruz. Definitely distinctive in appearance, he gave away nearly a pack at the last job site he was on because everyone wanted to try them.
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I just got a box to try and, other than the great look, the best thing I've noticed compared to the Premiers is the paper burns much more smoothly and seems to hold its shape as it turns to ash. The Premiers always left me brushing myself off during and after smoking (especially outside) as the ash would scatter if not tipped off frequently.
Also, I've experienced no noticeable change in flavor and they fit on my Excel perfectly. In fact, they feel a little stiffer than the Premiers and seem to pack better.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Kev on Thursday, 21-Jul-2005
I'll agree they fit perfectly on the Excel and seem to stuff better than other tubes. The paper is stiffer and/or thicker. Having smoked Swisher Sweet lights (cigars stuffed in a brown cigarette tube with filter), these tubes seem very similar. The produce a cigar type smell which the wife doesn't like. The tobacco stuffed in a Vera Cruz has a slightly different taste. I'm not sure if that's related to the taste of the paper or the paper's aroma. After all, taste is influenced by smell.
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An interesting tube but glad I only purchased one box. The cigar lovers would enjoy this tube since it has some of the cigar characteristics. A good way to introduce quality cigarette tobacco to the cigar-only crowd.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Jeff on Saturday, 09-Apr-2005
I am new to MYO, and ordered 5 boxes. I have stuffed all 5 boxes with no problems with both an Excell and a Supermatic II machine. All with great sucess. I had no glue problems on either the paper nor the filter paper. I also experienced no double overlaping of the tube and filter paper. I find that it is a great tube.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by B on Monday, 07-Mar-2005
Disappointing. I would expect much higher quality paper in a tube costing twice as much as some others. Inconsistently glued, and slightly brittle like the other CTC tubes, brown color should not double the cost. Filters are nice looking though, if only they were better made. I'll stick with Gizeh.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by sponnie on Friday, 11-Mar-2005
I too like the Silvertip tubes. I do enjoy the Vera Cruz tubes as well. The Vera Cruz tubes do seem to vary from box to box. The manufacturer seems to use different tipping paper from time to time (the original faux suede to faux cork). I had one box that had spotty seam gluing, I opened another box to find well made tubes.
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The last box of Silver Tips I used had only half the tube flap glued. On these tubes I noticed the printing had changed from a cursive ST to a pyramid looking device. Perhaps Gizeh is using a different manufacture as well.
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Jennifer on Friday, 22-Oct-2004
I just got a box of the Vera Cruz nocturn tubes. I must say they are quite nice. I plan on using them for any special blends. It seems fitting that something that is only an occasional smoke should have such a unique tube. Another benefit is the visibility of the tube. People are probobly going to ask me "what kind of cigarettes are those?". This is the pefect opportunity to introduce people to SYO
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Kurt Wall on Tuesday, 26-Oct-2004
They are striking looking tubes, to be sure. They're a great
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way to tell people about MYO. It's how I got a couple of
smoker acquaintances to try it.
Kurt
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Tim_Mc on Wednesday, 02-Jun-2004
Yes, actually, I noticed that all of them are a little bit tight on the lip of the Supermatic and some of them just flat won't get on there.
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Did you get any exceptionally huge gaping in the area of where your filter meets the paper though?
- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Kurt Wall on Wednesday, 02-Jun-2004
Yup, they fit quite snugly on my Premier Supermatic. However, I've found that if I twirl an empty tube around my fingernail, it expands the tube opening just enough to get it over the nozzle on the injector.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by Dan on Wednesday, 08-Dec-2004
I had to throw a box out about two years ago and never tried this brand tube again. The tube would just not fit on my Supermatic...no matter how hard I tried! After reading the letter below from the rep, I decided to go ahead and give the new Vera Cruz nocturn tubes a go. I can't wait to give them a try, they sound interesting.
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- Re: Vera Cruz
- Posted by walter gremillion on Thursday, 26-Oct-2006
Ihad the same problem with the ones i purchased recently. however i found that if you rock the tubes on, rather than spinning them on, they fit. the thicker paper allows you to push harder than you would normally...walt
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- Vera Cruz and the Spot Glued Filter
- Posted by Tim Mc on Thursday, 08-Apr-2004
The Vera Cruz tubes are indeed very nice looking tubes. I love their style of course, and also the strength of the filter. This is not exactly a light tube and not exactly a full flavor tube. Its more definable as a medium. Its a fantastic compromise for me especially when using the typically lighter D&R tobaccos in my blends.
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One very big complaint from me though is going to keep me looking for the perfect tube. This spot gluing of the filter destroys what could be an amazing product. It also allows more tar and nicotine into my smoke than I want. If I wanted unfiltered smoke I would make unfiltered cigarettes.
I find that technique to be very shoddy and I as really disappointed to find what looked to be a high-end product actually with such a low-end defect. Its going to keep me from buying them too often. It sometimes even burns my lip because of the direct hot smoke that comes through it.
Clinton Tube Company... WISE UP!
- Re: Vera Cruz and the Spot Glued Filter
- Posted by Puffaddict on Thursday, 08-Apr-2004
"Its more definable as a medium. "
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Are they perforated?
I saw some of these at a local tobacco / ryo store and was thinking about trying them, thanks for the heads up.
- Re: Ver Cruz Perforated?
- Posted by Tim_Mc on Friday, 09-Apr-2004
No I don't think that they are perforated. The filter and filter paper are def. not perforated anyway. It might be a bit more permeable of a paper, though. The filters are probably a tad denser... resulting in a smoke that's a little cooler and cleaner.
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They're good, but the space in the filter paper and filter really gets to me. :-)
- The Response!
- Posted by Tim_Mc on Monday, 12-Apr-2004
I emailed CTC on Friday about the problem with some of their tubes (especially Vera Cruz) on Friday April 9th. They got back to me first thing Monday morning:
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Dear Mr. McLaughlin,
Thank you for your e-mail.
I must say however, that we are very concerned about your comments.
We at CTC, are making tubes since 1934 and we have gained our credibility and reputation due to the highest quality of our products.
We have recently purchased new machinery, making over 6000 tubes per minute. The Vera-Cruz tubes were made on this machine.
I must say that making tubes at that speed, requires new quality control procedures.
We have noticed the problem and already made proper corrections. You should therefore see the improved products on the stores shelves very soon.
We greatly appreciate comments from our customers, as it help improving our products.
Thanks again.
Stephane David
- Re: The Response!
- Posted by Kurt Wall on Monday, 12-Apr-2004
How very refreshing to see a company respond so quickly and candidly. I hadn't noticed any problems with the Vera Cruz tubes, but others evidently have and has CTC. In any event, I look forward to purchasing more VC tubes. They are knockouts for looks and the smoke is sure nice.
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- Re: The Response!
- Posted by B on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2005
Just received two boxes of Vera Cruz tubes after deciding to give them another try. I was quite pleasantly surprised. Glue line is now much less pronounced, the name printing on the paper is darker and the tubes seem to burn much more evenly, with the "crinkly" feel gone. I came here to post this and saw that Tim had contacted the company with our concerns. Thanks man, they responded and improved the tube. I'm smoking a 70/30 Three Sails/Ramback blend in one and it is a great smoke!
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