Stoker #2
A decent inexpensive tobacco that's widely available/popular. Its a flavored Burley tobacco with an uncomplicated and slightly bitter taste. The smell reminds me of something like overripe plums. The medium/coarse short cut is forgiving and easy to stuff. H&R was my preferred alternative. Low ~$14 per lb.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Daryl on Thursday, 24-Jan-2008
When I first purchased a bag of Stoker's, it was #2 Light. When I opened the bag and took a whif, the apple-ish/bourbon-ish scent was like... WOW, It actually smells like tobacco rather than like you just walked into the barn where the horses are stabled. I was delighted with the first smoke I pressed too. Yes, it is generally dry, but with a little humidifying, I usually only end up with about an ounce of shake. I drilled tiny holes in a prescription bottle. I cut off a few slices from a red delicious apple, drop it in the gallon jug I keep the tobacco in, leave it on top for about a day, then dig about two thirds down and leave it for about a day. The bottle keeps the juices from actually touching the tobacco. And the sticks?? Who cares if there's about 4 grams of sticks per 16 ounces. It is a little frustrating when you have a little, overlooked, stick poke through your tube but. a tiny piece of gummed rolling paper fixes that. I'm not interested in a fancy machine to crank out numerous cigs. In an effort to cut down, I make one cig when I feel like it or am able to. That means when I'm driving down the road, I don't smoke until I stop. (I carry a Bali Shag can, with my smoke, machine and a few tubes inside). Anyway, I tried the regular #2 and it is good too. I just like a little milder smoke. I don't get the comments about Stoker's being bitter. It seems sweet to me. I like it and it's readily available here in Knoxville, TN. About $14.50 per pound. (lasts me a month or more). Y'all :o ) have got me curious about the menthol. I might just have to try it for an occasional.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 24-Jan-2008
What were you smoking before that smelled like a horse stable? Do you realize that the "fruity" smell of Stokers is not that of tobacco? It is the smell of additives to make cheap tobacco palatable.
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Given, Stokers is a passable smoke, but it is not a quality smoke. Of course, to each his own, but I suspect you haven't tried or had easy access to better quality tobacco or you might not be singing the praises of Stokers so much. Perhaps price is the only object?
Good luck!
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 25-Jan-2008
Daryl, I agree with you... I have smoked many different brands... Stoker's #2 Light is not bad.... I like Peoples True taste and it is cheaper here in Chattanooga (10.49/lb)... Other tobaccos either taste bad, rotten or gag you when you smell them.... Gambler Light is the worst I've tried to smoke (smells like a horse stable and the smoke smells like a moldy locker room.... Threw away an almost full 1 lb bag... (No one wanted it when they smelled it).
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Daryl on Sunday, 17-Feb-2008
Yes, Kerry, price is an objective. There is not a good selection here in Knoxville either. As Freddie stated, the Gambl'r tobacco is one that I was referring to. Haven't ever seen Peep's True in K-town, Freddie. I wish Stoker's distributed 6 ounce bags. That would be great for an occasional menthol. I was smoking G T One ready mades before I went SYO. I read elsewhere in the forum that they market loose tobacco under that name. Soooo, I called General Tobacco and a local tobacco distributor and lit a fire. I'd like to try the loose.
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The last bag of Stoker's I bought is the Ultra Light. (Not Impressed). There seems to be less sticks in the UItra Light but, I wish I could sell what's left of it and get a bag of Light.
(In my opinion) Anyone who smoked (and liked) L&M/Pyramid cigs will be impressed with Stoker's #2 Light. I think I'm going to go sift out some fairly course Light from my shake bag right now! Cheers!
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Scott Johnson on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2007
Well now! I have tried this in the past via samples from American Thrust and thought it t be a decent smoke. I picked up a one pound bag locally and have been very disappointed. Almost every pinch I grab to put in my Supermatic has at least one big chunk of stem in it. My catch tray looks like a mini stack of brush now. Of all the brands I've tried, this is the worst for stems and shake. I'll be going back to Rave or Golden Harvest between D&R orders.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Groovehouse on Tuesday, 24-Apr-2007
Well, I've just tried it. I agree with those that think it is bitter. Not as good as what I had just tried smoking previously, Sagamore Pure and Natural, $15 lb. However, the premium Sagamore is a lot better and more consistant in quality, and twice the price. These are available from ryotobacco,com. D&R is by far a better tobacco than the cheap Sagamore or the Stoker's. My suggestion is, American Thrust samples to find what you like, and blend your own smoke.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Scooter on Friday, 18-May-2007
I am new to ryo and my first pound was Kentucky select. Have no idea what others think of that, but I was quite pleased. Now that is coming from a newbie. I just bought locally a pound of #2 regular and I am wondering if I should even open it or return it, from these comments. at $17 a pound for a local store, not sure if that is priced good or bad. My first # of Kentucky select was the same mail order. The thing that surprised me about local (Huntsville, AL) was the Zig=Zag tubes for 200ct were only $3, and I picked up a carton of Gambler with a .50 coupon, making 200ct of them barely over a buck. I will check out this D&R product(s), since it gets decent reviews from you all.
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Now for the newbie question. are all of these with fillers and all the chemicals that are in Rolled Marlboro and all, or is cut RYO tobacco additive free?
Scooter
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kerry on Friday, 18-May-2007
I live near Huntsville. Where did you get a coupon for Gambler tubes? The only coupons I have seen are on the tube box and are for the Gambler tobacco, not the tubes.
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As for the question about "fillers" and chemicals?
Hard to say for sure, but I believe unless it is VERY clearly and explicitly stated that there are NO additives, ABSOLUTELY NO ADDITIVES, then you will have at least casing and flavoring added. The semantics of marketing speak can be confusing. Just because a product says there are no "chemical" flavorings does not mean there are no additives.
Casings and flavorings are not all bad, but in some cases are over-done to hide low quality tobacco. In other cases, high quality tobacco is used and the flavorings/casings are added to acquire the desired taste and help to keep the tobacco from drying too fast.
All in all, quality SYO/RYO tobacco *should* have less additives than pre-mades, but that is not a given, contrary to popular belief.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Rob S on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2007
Granted, everybody has different tastes, but I wouldn't call Sagamore cheap, or inferior to D&R. I haven't tried all of the brands from both companies, but in my opinion, Sagamore Virginia is a very good quality tobacco. I even like it better than the Platinum Gold. It smells better; it stuffs better; it feels better; and it even looks better. That's just my opinion though.
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I like the tobacco from both companies, to be perfectly honest. That, along with Peter Stokkebye are the three main categories of tobacco I draw from.
That said, and no offense, I think Golden Harvest is garbage. Granted I only tried the menthol light, but it had such a nasty aftertaste, that I'll never buy that brand again.
I've been a menthol smoker for many, many years, and the tobacco from RYOT, D&R, and Stokkebye is so good, that I find I only smoke a menthol blend about half the time, since, even though I still like it, it tends to mask the wonderful flavor of the tobacco that these companies produce.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Turtle on Sunday, 24-Dec-2006
This is my everyday smoke. I stuff it into a zig zag full flavor tube. I'm still looking for that perfect smoke but this will do till then. I like marlboro reds and the best way to compare it is like this, it's not as good as a red, but better than a basic. I make mine for about 90 cents to $1 a pack, compared to over $3 a pack for reds and about $2.70 for basics here in Alabama.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by arthur on Sunday, 05-Mar-2006
Can someone tell me the deferents between Stokers #1, #2 and #117?
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kev on Sunday, 05-Mar-2006
I've smoked #2 but haven't tried #2 or #117. See if you can make any sense from Stokers catalog:
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#1 full-bodied blend for SYO or RYO. A rich, traditional American smoke with a robust flavor.
#2 ideal medium shag that is perfect for SYO. A robust taste that mirrors the flavor of America's most popular brands.
#117 our best selling blended especially for smokers of America's most famous cigarette brands. The cut is ideals for SYO or RYO. Light to medium flavor.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Ralph on Thursday, 19-Oct-2006
If I ever saw #1 or #117 for sale, I'd buy it and tell you.
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- Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by FreqZ on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2006
Why is it that I can no longer find Stoker #2 in Michigan? I've asked all around and I only hear that "They stoped making it"
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YEA RIGHT.... On my trip back from Florida I stoped off in Kentucky and they sell stocker everywhere.
So whats the real deal ?
- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by Kev on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2006
I doubt they stopped making it since they've been in business since 1940.
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They also put out a bi-annual catalog. Call and request one though they're probably higher through their catalog due to non-compete agreements. 1-800-243-9377
- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by Walt on Saturday, 04-Mar-2006
I looked all over on March 3 of 06 not a one to be found.
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:-( Walt.
- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by Bob on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2006
I'm in Michigan, and Stoker's is available at every tobacco or ciggerette store I go into.
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In fact, Stoker's and Gambler is about all you can get! Since I find them both horrible, I have switched to internet ordering.
- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by FreqZ on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2006
Really, I'm in macomb county and so far about 6 places I've tried do not carry it anymore.
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- Interesting.. I guess this is Why.
- Posted by FreqZ on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2006
National Tobacco regrets to announce that because of the discriminatory natures of the Michigan’s equity fee assessment on Non-Participating Manufacturers, their products Stoker #2 and Old Hillside brands of make-your-own tobaccos will no longer be available for resale into the state of Michigan.
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- Re: Interesting.. I guess this is Why.
- Posted by Bob on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2006
That is interesting. I guess they just haven't run out yet here in northern Michigan.
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- Posted by FreqZ on Thursday, 02-Mar-2006
Well lucky for you that is if you smoke it. I've tried other brands and the last one "Hi-val" was like smoking dried leaves off a tree about 5 yers old. and peoples choice is not much better. I really don't know what I'll switch to next.
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Personally I loved #2 light. I'd just hate to drive to Ohio to get it.
- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by Ralph on Sunday, 05-Mar-2006
The guy who owns my tobacco shop said that the state rigamrole and taxes drove Stoker's out of Michigan. My wife just got a $150 fee charged for driving without a license from the State of Michigan. This was after she paid a $210 fine to the police department that ticketed her. This sounds like double jeapordy to me. All is not well here in the state of Michigan. Granholm is an out of control tax and spend leftist. George Bush is the biggest criminal since Nixon but there's criminals on both sides of the aisle. This whole government thing is out of control. Make no mistake about that.
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- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by kidd442 on Wednesday, 17-May-2006
the reason stokers is no longer sold in michigan is because of gov. granholm stoped the delivery of it because they would'nt give to the tobacco law suite fund.
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- Re: Stoker #2 no longer in Michigan
- Posted by Jazzbo on Wednesday, 17-May-2006
Yeah? Then phuck the governor. Twice and without lube. Obviously just another in that pathetic American Breed, the Scumbag Politician.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Mr Sniffles on Monday, 03-Oct-2005
Recently, the local tobacco shop was out of Stoker Iceberg, so I decoded to give #2 menthol a try, seeing that it was the same price, and seems to have a fan club on this site and others.
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I think it's safe to say, I am not a member of that fan club...
I found it to be a little harsh, but moreso, it's also very, very bitter. Imagine rolling and smoking Hershey's unsweetened cocoa. That's the closest I can come to describing the flavor.
Ironically, I went back to the shop once they got Iceberg back in stock, and mentioned to the clerk I really didn't like the #2 I bought a couple weeks ago. "Probably because #2 is terrible," was his response.
Gee, he could have told me that while I was buying it...
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by zippy on Monday, 03-Oct-2005
I am a devoted Sroker #2 user. I am wondering if you had Full Flavor or Light?
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I have tried the full flavor and didn't care for it much, but I found the light to be quite nice. It's not great, but the cost is low and the availability (where I am) is excellent.
Just curious.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Mr Sniffles on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2005
I had the full flavor. Perhaps the light blend eases the bitterness.
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So, I may try that if Pure & Natural or Iceberg isn't available. I just find those Stoker brands to be smoother and sweeter. And, at least around here, they're the same price.
But, I can understand why some people like #2. It certainly is distinct. Just perhaps, not for me.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2005
My guess is that it has to do with availability. I used to use it in blending and kept using it longer than I really should have.
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It is the most commonly available "cheap" tobacco in my area and probably a lot of other areas. I think once folks try D&R or some of the other slightly higher priced and much higher quality tobaccos they will quit Stokers as I did.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kev on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2005
I've been using Stoker #2 light for the spouse's blend (add some Arrango Vanilla). It can be harsh if not at the proper humidity. I've just started using D&R Penhooker light as a base for the mix since it's much smoother.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005
Ah Mr. Sniffies, you should ask Mr. Lers for an Iceberg thread as opposed to dogging the company that makes your favorite brand. If you don't have something good to say, don't say it. It's tried and true. Stoker's #2 light rules the world and anyone who disagrees with me can go buy $10 an ounce conisir label and report back.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kerry on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005
Although I don't think it was the responsibility of the shop owner to tell him what he thought about Stokers #2 (don't even know if he asked him about it or the menthol), most tobacco shop owners I have delt with have no idea what a good tobacco is. Or at least they don't carry the better brands such as D&R and a few others.
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As for $10 an ounce tobacco, never tried any and never will. I could make a carton of smokes out of Stokers for about $7 or 8 dollars including the tubes, but I prefer to smoke something better and smoke less. My choice is a blend of D&R's Ramback, Windsail and Two-Timer. It beats the heck out of Stokers (any Stokers) and still only costs me about $12 a carton including tubes.
Of course, taste is a subjective thing. To each his own. To say that Stokers "rules the world" might be slightly accurate regionally due to better local distribution channels and thus better local availability, but to say it rules based on quality is simply wrong. As I said, to each his own, but if you read the majority of material here on this site you will find that there is a large consensus that for quality D&R probably "rules" along with Stokkebyes and a few others that are slightly higher priced, but much better in quality.
Once again, to each his own and taste is very subjective.
As for Mr. Sniffles, looked like a decent report of his experience. He found that he didn't like a particular tobacco and said so with what I took to be a little humor. I am curious what other brands his local shop offered.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Mr Sniffles on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2005
Yeah, the clerk comment was purely anecdotal, the clerk seemed to have no opinion while I was laying down money for the stuff. But, after the fact, he informs me he thinks it's terrible.
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Anyway, I don't think it's terrible. I've had worse. However, if you were choosing to go the Stoker route, I'd recommend P&N or Iceberg over #2 (and by the way, Iceberg does have it's own thread since it's just menthol P&N)
Disagree? Well, people like different stuff. It's okay.
I've been wanting to investigate the D&R line for awhile, since it seems to gather nothing but praise. But alas, it's nowhere to be found.
Most stores in the area seem to be practically owned by Stokkebye. Which was fine for awhile, as I absolutely loved McClintock. But, the price seem to go up 50 cents every month. It's seriously double the price now, then when I smoked it on a regular basis a couple years ago.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kev on Thursday, 06-Oct-2005
I've only found one store in the Dallas/North Texas area that carries D&R and it was cost prohibitive. Nearly twice the price. But most brick and mortar retailers charge about 50% more for ANY brand than the prices online.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kerry on Friday, 07-Oct-2005
There are no local retailers in my area who carry D&R tobaccos. If you would like to try "some" of the D&R line, try American Thrust online. They may carry the tobacco you like at a reasonable price and they have 1 oz samples for $1. Unfortunately, they don't carry the entire D&R line. For you will probably have to order direct from D&R.
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I guess I should stop now since this is in the Stokers brand forum. Lol!
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by tom on Friday, 07-Oct-2005
i'm a retailer an there was an increase in price for mc clintock but not "every month". it might be a state or local tax thing.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by tom on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2005
speaking as a ryo/myo retailer, menthol tobacco is not a big seller. one out of two hundred people that come into my store buy menthol. my suggestion is to tell your retailer (owner or manager) what you prefer and how often you will buy the brand. if you meet your commitment your retailer may supply your brand. if it sets on the shelf it is returned to the distributor and not reordered.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Mr Sniffles on Sunday, 16-Oct-2005
I have yet to even try D&R, so I'm not going to try and convince my local shop to carry it under the auspice I'll buy it all up, because I may not even like it.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Jim2me on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2005
I started out rolling my own cigarettes about 20 years ago. I first started with buglar menthol. Now that I can get the stoker's #2 menthol at a reasonable price, I have now used it for 6 years.
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I find some bags dry, and some to moist. Mostly they are suffient. For the to dry I use a couple slices of fresh apples. Then take the apples out when I get the moistness that I want. If it is to moist, I just simply leave the bag open until it gets dry enough.
To help keep the freshness in the bag, I use a "la choy chow mein noodles can" It is just the right size to store a day or two amount of tobacco. To keep from it looking so foodish, I put my own label on the can, "Jim's cigarette tobacco", of course with some nice pictures.
All in all, I am pleased with the price of the stoker's tobacco. A pound should roll over 500 cigarettes (2 1/2 cartons). So compared to $20.00 for the tobacco (including papers) to $30 to $50 for factory rolled.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Mar on Tuesday, 21-Jun-2005
Just bought a bag of Stoker's #2 from Lil Brown, $13.20, it is pretty dry. When you smoke it, the smoke has a bad, strong, odor to it, and it stinks up the room. The taste is poor, earthy and dry. I tried to doctor it up a bit by blending some mclintock Virginia with it, however the improvement was marginal. This was the second bag of #2 I bought, I thought the first bag I tried was defective, so I tried it again. The price is right but the smoke sucks. Ive smoked the Stoker's #2 Light before, and it is much better.
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- Re: Stoker's #2 Ultra-light
- Posted by Ralph on Monday, 02-May-2005
I normally smoke Stoker's #2 Light but I have found that the Ultra-light works well in a pinch. As for the Light, I can't say enough good things about it. Nice cut and moisture content makes it perfect for my Supermatic. I use the Supermatic light tubes and the resultant cigarette is ideal for both my wife and I. We used to smoke manufactured lights and ultra-lights so I think this combo is a good fit for SYO newbies with similar background.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Bill S. on Thursday, 08-Jul-2004
Maybe I'm a rookie or have got beginner's luck. I went to the local smoke shop after buying my first tabletop stuffer and asked them what they sold a lot of in the Menthol category. They said Stoker's #2 or Midnight Special Menthol. The Stoker's was fantastic, fresh and had great packaging. I have gotten 6-7 1# bags of this and it has been consistently fresh. The container bags always seal well and just to check. I always squeeze the bag. If it acts like it is sealed(no deflation), then I buy it. I do this after each opening and have yet to had stale, dry and broken strands.
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The "Midnight Special" Menthol, was very dry and tastless. I later used it for mulch on the plants; if you know what I mean?
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Jennifer on Saturday, 03-Jul-2004
I just picked up some stokers #2 the smoke shop had on sale.Its not bad. I realy like the cut on it. I have been hand rolling and it rolls realy well. I haven't tried it in a tube yet. Normaly I smoke with a filter, but this turned out to be mild enough for me to smoke hand rolled unfiltered. My only complaint is a slightly funky taste. Over all I would say its a decent tobacco. I am prety pleased with it.
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Jennifer on Saturday, 03-Jul-2004
I got around to buying some tubes and injecting with the stoekers. It injected just fine. with a plastic injector I have gotten fast enough to make a pack in 10 or less. If I am that fast with a cheap injector then why buy a supermatic or excel?
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- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Sunday, 04-Jul-2004
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Convenience.
- Re: Stoker #2
- Posted by Kurt Wall on Monday, 05-Jul-2004
As Tim writes, convenience. For me, though, it isn't only convenience, and I'm not terribly concerned about the speed. I get a more consistent smoke with my Supermatic: the tobacco is more evenly distributed; the stick is easier to make; the tobacco is more evenly compressed; the machine is easier to handle; and the quality of the finished cigarette is the same stick to stick.
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- Re: Stoker's #2
- Posted by Joy Gallacher on Tuesday, 10-Feb-2004
I bought a 16 oz bag of #2 it is so dry we can't make
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cigerattes...it just breaks all up and won't stuff our
tubes....
Joy Gallacher
528 Black Oak Rd.
Mammoth Spring,Arkansas
72554
- Re: Stoker's #2
- Posted by Kev on Sunday, 18-Jul-2004
I'm smoking a bag of #2 light from Lil Brown. It's a little dry but a good base. I'll probably order some more.
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FYI, seems we have another Kevin on the site so I'll start posting with a different name.
- Re: Stoker's #2
- Posted by libby meche on Wednesday, 19-Nov-2003
i need to order from u how do i do that ........?
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- Stoker's #2 Menthol
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 26-Sep-2003
My friend, who got me into SYO, smokes this as a stand alone tobacco. I was impressed with it, I don't normally care for menthol cigarettes. It has an extremely mild menthol flavor and you can still taste the tobacco. I my opinion, most menthols, especially premade cigarettes, have so much menthol flavor that you might as well be sucking on a Vick's Inhaler. Stoker's #2 Menthol is probably the best menthol cigarette I've ever smoked.
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- Stoker's #2 Light
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Friday, 26-Sep-2003
I use this as a base for my personal blends. Alone, it is mild without much flavor. A subtle American blend. Smokes good, smells good and blends well with other tobaccos.
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