Quick Roller Archive Dec '04 - Jan '07

Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 12-Jan-2007

This is a tough call to make, because the Quick Roller, and the hand crankers both have their good points and bad; as we all know. I can say I'm happy with the Quick Roller for many reasons. First, it's fast when all the elements are in place (tobacco not too moist), and tubes that aren't tight. The QR consistently makes smokes that draw perfectly, and it's quiet. All one needs to do is make sure there are no clumps of tobacco in the hopper to bind up the screw drive and lightly touch the button. This would be easy in my opinion for anyone who has experience with a hand cranker. At least to me--the production capabilities of the QR outweigh any short comings. It makes an ALMOST perfect smoke--fast without trimming or tamping. And to top all that off it comes with a free two year warranty.

On the other hand-- my Topomatic makes visually perfect smokes better than 99% of the time; with an almost perfect draw. I end up tapping & trimming almost all smokes made with the Tom, and I don't mind, because afterward you can't tell the difference between store bought and home made. The Tom is slower, much slower, and it can't handle shake at all; whereas the QR will gladly take all the shake you care to load.

Yes, in my opinion the Quick Roller is worth the $157 plus tax & shipping I paid for it! I'm sure Pete feels the same as I do, and he paid more to get his than I did. If someone wanted to buy the Quick Roller from me I wouldn't sell it, unless they came up with boo--coo money! I don't know what else to say. I've done my best to be objective, and unbiased. Most of all I wanted to do an honest product review, and I sure tried. Mike

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Posted by lipps1948 on Saturday, 13-Jan-2007

Good Morning Cap'n,

True, I paid more but not a whole lot more, I ordered the dulxe model, and extra deluxe spiral 166.00, Euro = 214.80400 U.S. dollar. Like you will keep the ole' hand cranker, don't think its going to see much use anymore though. Anyone who knocks these new machines should give one a week of learning curve, or less. If I'm not mistaken there was a certain amount of time to gain experience with Supermatics.

Kindest Regards, Pete

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 13-Jan-2007

Pete, you should be happy to know that your Deluxe model has a 44 Watt motor. Mine has a 24 Watt motor. Yours doesn't hang up does it? I'm going to see if there is any way I can upgrade mine--since it appears to new. Mike

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Posted by lipps1948 on Saturday, 13-Jan-2007

Cap, its hung on me one time, tobacco was overly wet and I wanted to see what it would do. By the way that 166 euro or 214 US included shipping and vat tax.

Kindest Regards, Pete

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2007
Pete, I just watched one go for $180+ on e-bay! For the little extra it costs I'd order one from Hans, and have the Deluxe model. My new Teflon spiral is on the way to me from Germany, and after I put it in I think I'll be in there! Mike
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Re: Quick Roller + D & R's Tobacco: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 12-Jan-2007
It sure did surprise me when I loaded up the hopper with Two Timer, and made good, viable sticks as fast as I could put on the tubes! I expected the opposite with D&R's blends, as well as most other American Blends. I also used Windsail Platinum, Ramback Gold, and Ramback with like results. One exception was a small stick or twig perforated the tube while using Windsail Platinum; but I try to watch for that stuff as I go. It takes about 3 seconds or less to do the injection. and if tubes are not undersized--look out! Mike

This aught to make Mark happy!
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Posted by lipps1948 on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Read caption in picture, click pic to enlarge.

Regards, Pete

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Gratefully, mine works fine the way it is; except for a slight squeak when the Tube Retention Arm is depressed. Mike

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Posted by lipps1948 on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Mine did to, little drop or spray of oil fixed it right up.
Regards, Pete

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

I thought about it, but aren't petroleum products hard on plastic? Grudgingly, I used some Vaseline, and it didn't help. Mike

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Posted by Scott Johnson on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

I dunno? But, vaseline comes in a plastic tub/jar and gas and oil are stored in plastic jugs. couldn't be that bad. I use it because I don't want to use anything that might drip out.

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

After greasing everything and still no results; I took it apart again, and and found the problem --the black plastic arm that the tension spring is attached to was rubbing the side of the hopper! I fixed it with some Vaseline, after a light touch--up with Marvels Mystery Oil produced no results.

I discovered another troubling problem. The day I got the machine I made so many smokes I had to store them. I put up two packs in my D&R tins, and filled a small Lock & Lock container as well before I knew it! I wasn't even trying --just puttering around! The smokes put up in the L&L containers appear to be OK, but the two D&R tins caused me some concern; as the tobacco has came out of the ends of many of those smokes? I could have let the tobacco out too long--I don't know. I thought it was worth commenting on though. Mike

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Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

The D&R tins are not air tight, at least the one I have which is sort of like a Sucrets tin.

Those sticks simply dried out and if they were not stuffed fairly tight to begin with, tobacco starts falling out as they dried out. If it were very humid, they most likely would not have dried out. Time of year.

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 12-Jan-2007
I thought the D&R tins were kinda air tight; since they've protected my smokes from high humidity. Hell, the other D&R tin is O.K., but I haven't carried it around with me yet! I sure do know what the time of the year does to tobacco around here in Northern Ohio! It's somewhat of a task to keep tobacco at its proper RH; then in the Summer I'll have the opposite problem of to high of an RH. I try to keep small amounts of the tobacco I'm working with in separate containers so I don't either dry out over time, or over hydrate the rest of the tobacco--it seems to work. Mike
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Posted by Major Havoc on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Hey, smoke 'em if ya got 'em!

Instead of vaseline, have you considered a shot of silicone spray? Or maybe a dry graphite? Either one will attract and keep a lot less dust and shake than a heavy grease like vaseline.

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Posted by Major Havoc on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Let me be more clear... either one will work better than vaseline, as far as resisting dust and shake.

Cleaner and meaner.

Sorry for the repost/clarification.. FYI, I'm winging it here, I do not own a Quick Roller.

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 12-Jan-2007
Next time I clean it I'l try the silicone, thanks for the idea! I've never had an electric machine till a few days ago, and still use my Topomatic for the high RH tobaccos. The Tom seems to make a better smoke appearance wise, and structurally too. Mike
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Matt on Friday, 12-Jan-2007

Graphite works just fine. I just use a plain old #2 pencil on the H-link and any other moving parts. Another thing I've tried based on other board members recommendations that's worked good for me is Goo-Gone.
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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2007

I received the Quick Roller today, and it is a brand new machine. Instructions came in English as well as the original language. I was quite surprise right off the bat! When putting fresh Look Out Milde Shag in the machine it jammed--, but was simple to clear. I simply had to let the tobacco dry out a bit first. Next, I used D&R's Two Timer, with the new Vera Cruz Nocturne Tubes, and perfect smokes every time--after adjusting the compaction to its weakest setting which is marked with a minus sign. With the compaction set to maximum; the machine blew out the Vera Cruz tube about half way full! With the compaction set to the minimum the QR makes perfect smokes every time with not only the Two Timer, Ramback, Windsail Platinum but with the 1839 as well. I even ventured to make a few non--filtered smokes as well; with very good results. I think I got a winner; even though you have to use a step up adapter to convert the electric current. I then made a bout 10 smokes with Bugler Gold--all near perfect. Perfect draw, firm packing, no tamping needed, since the tobacco is seated next to the filter. The price of the unit on the Quick Roller website is $138.60, plus shipping, and includes a 2 year warranty. So, I guess I didn't get hurt paying the $178 tax and shipping, and for that I'm glad.

I took the machine apart as far as I could without voiding the warranty to clean and check out the innards--just like Pete's machine. A cleaning brush is included. But, time will tell, and I don't have to come up with $100 before the end of the year for the warranty either! I got over two packs made just in a half hour fooling around with it--not on purpose; they just piled up and all good to go. Mike

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

All that's missing that I'd have appreciated is a plastic cover for the tobacco hopper. This machine has its little quarks, but so far I'm satisfied. I experimented using Athey tubes, and Excel tubes. I found that the Athey tubes work best. There's a trick to making a non--filtered smoke! Using an Athey tube there is enough overhang off the end of the filling tube to put my finger over the end of the tube. I then run the machine in short bursts till the tube begins to push against my finger--then I just finish loading the tube. Again, perfect draw, and not bad looking either. Mike

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Posted by scott johnson on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

maybe you can find a tupperware/gladware cover that will fit the tobacco hopper.

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

Scott, actually the measurement is 4 3/8 by 2 3/8 outside measurement. I'll end up having to cut a piece of Plexiglas I imagine. A piece of 1/4 or 3/8 would be nice. Mike

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Posted by scott johnson on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

Is there an inside ledge or something for an insert to catch on? Maybe a piece of plexiglass with a chrome knob in the middle? Or cut a piece bigger than the top and heat and bend it to make sides? Just an idea.

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

Scott, you must be a mind reader! That's exactly what I was thinking about; except for heating and bending the edges to fit. Thanks, that's a good idea! Mike

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Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 25-Jan-2007

Mike, Did you ever make a cover for your hopper? I was just thinking (believe it or not!) for short term use, one of those elastic bowl covers would work. I can't remember who makes them (Glad, Hefty, Saran) but most grocery stores have them. I've seen them in various colors and clear.

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Re: Quick Roller--Non--Filtered Smokes: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 27-Jan-2007
I cut a piece off an old Tupperware lid. It works, but I still want to get a piece of Plexiglas, because it would look better. During the day I been loading the machine up, and making a smoke when I want one. The tobacco gets to air out that way too.I'm waiting for someone to visit; just to get their reaction to the Quick Roller. My daughter will probably want to take it home when she see's it. Mike
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Re: Quick Roller--Non--Filtered Smokes: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 10-Feb-2007
I got hold of a piece of plastic 1/8 clear and fashioned a cover. I used a .50 Maxi ball for the handle by drilling a hole through the cover, and into the base of the .50. It turned out O.K., but I still want something heavier, like 3/8, or if not available, 1/4. This works to keep tobacco from drying out for a few hours, but I don't think I could get away with it for a whole day.I was also thinking about one of those covers people use to cover up model ships! One of those would cover the whole machine. Mike
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Posted by NJDrew on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

Mike, I’m glad to hear it works well with Two Timer as that mixed 50/50 with windsails is my daily blend. I know windsail tends to have more stem pieces that other blends, was the machine able to work threw these ok or did you have to remove them before running the machine?

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

I have a habit of inspecting the tobacco for things like stems, wood, sticks and such and removing them. I got in this habit from using a hand roller. I didn't expect the Quick Roller to be so good with Windsail Platinum, and Two Timer! I thought that since the QR is Danish; it would work best with Dutch Blends like my Look Out Milde Shag! To the contrary; I can fluff up some Two Timer, or Windsail Platinum and just drop it in the hopper and push the button. The only tobacco I had trouble with is the Look Out Milde. I've been loading a smokes worth at a time with it right out of the can. The manufacturer recommends that humid tobaccos be left out to dry a little before using, but I like it the way I'm use to. Mike
P.S. I never thought I'd run into a machine more RH sensitive than my old Supermatic!

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Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007

use both machines..retire none...Topo for thr lookout..save wear and tear!!!!

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2007
I agree! The Topomatic and Gizeh Metal Hand-roller are sitting next to the Quick Roller. Under the table is my rolling box; which has my pipes, a box roller, Zig Zag Hand-held, a couple plastic rollers, and two jars of Excel tubes--and various books of rolling papers. Like you I also enjoy using different machines from time to time as mood requires. Mike
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Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

Thanks for the info regarding the new Quick Roller, Mike.It sounds like it performs better than I would have expected, to tell you the truth. I'm sure you're happy your gamble payed off as well.

Tell me, does the corkscrew-design loader eliminate to a major degree the criticisms aimed at the earlier auger design (that being the auger tended to mulch the tobacco into shake)? Also, how do you compare the firmness of the sticks it produces to your TOM? Also, did yours arrive with the required voltage converter, or did you need to purchase it extra?

Heck, I might break down and grab one of these gizmos eventually if the reliability proves itself.... Thanmks again for all the info and your first-hand reports.

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by lipps1948 on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007
Wazmo,
Here is the converter I purchased from Ebay bout a 3rd of cost from overseas. [link]
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007
It performs better than I expected too! The new corkscrew helps to keep down the grinding effect.At the bottom of the hopper is an offset that I believe is designed to prevent too much tobacco entering the tube at once. Actually compared to the Topomatic, the resultant tobacco texture is almost the same. When I first got it I loaded up some Two Timer, and neglected to check the compaction setting. As a result; the machine blew out the Vera Cruz tube on the side--the paper split! What was left was hard as a rock. I then set the adjuster on its least compaction setting, and no problems ever since. This machine will in fact inject shake if you put it in the hopper, but beware, the cherry falls out when shake is used.
The sticks the QR produce are firm, and have a perfect draw; compared to the Topomatic I believe the Quick Roller is better in that respect. If you go to the E-Bay site where I got mine from they do include the voltage converter at no extra charge. I believe they have 3 or 4 machines left. The machine is new as advertised. I'm glad I got the dam thing! I been looking, thinking, which is why I was there to bid to start with. I had no idea the high bidder would withdraw his bid; which made me the high bidder. I just couldn't withdraw my bid too! Anyways, yes, I'm happy so far, Mike
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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 06-Jan-2007

I e-mail the people who make the Quick Roller to ask about getting a replacement spring. Here is their answer.

Dear Mr. Mike

We hope you are glad for the machines.
It is our company, who made the Quick Roller, and the springs.
We made the springs in Stainless steel, we do not want to Teflon coated
them, because it is not good for the health.

You can buy the Stainless steel springs from us, they cost 9 $ each

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Posted by scott johnson on Saturday, 06-Jan-2007

That's not really a bad price for replacement. I doubt it would need replaced very often.

Does that machine use a gear reduction drive?

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 06-Jan-2007

I don't know--good question? By the looks of Pete's pictures, it's a direct drive; but I could be wrong. Mike

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by lipps1948 on Saturday, 06-Jan-2007
Mike,

It is a direct drive, powerful motor I've tried to stop it by pressing my fingers against the spiral, there's no way you can hurt your fingers in this design they have made.

Pete
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Posted by lipps1948 on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

Doug Kennedy at ryomagazine.com does a great job for the MYO industry, on his video presentation of the Quick Roller he describes the adjustment knob as changing the motor speed, it actually adjusts the tension on the lever underneath the tube holder allowing tubes to be filled tight to loose. I'm sure he had gotten one of the first models and did'nt know exactly what the adjustment knob really did.
Pete

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 07-Jan-2007

I remember the video. The last thing Doug says is "too bad we can't have it here"! We actually have a better product; probably due in part at least to RYO's inexperienced and shortsighted observations. Mark from D & R Tobacco mentioned that the unmerchantability was due to the auger, and liability incurred because there is no cover on the tobacco chamber! Pete, you mentioned you purposely stuck your fingers in to try and stop the motor! I believe all the safety issues have been addressed. Further, ask yourself this question. Would you pay close to $50 for a hand cranker, or about $139 for the machine you now have in your possession, or $449 for the crapshooter? What do you think the MYO smoking public would do given the same choice?

If you were an executive of one of the companies selling hand crankers here in the U.S.A.; what would you do?

To my mind the answer is simple. The executive picks up the phone and calls his local senator, representative, or congressman or congresswoman; whom they've contributed campaign funds to, or lobbyist and tells them to Block Importation of these potential threats by any means! Do you see what I'm thinking? Am I cynical--you bet! Even if I hadn't observed what certain other people appearing to represent the Fresh Choice machine have said, and others!

I apologize for the long post, but I have been watching, listening, and learning for a long time, and I needed to speak my mind on this subject. Mike

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Posted by mike c on Sunday, 07-Jan-2007

the FC machine is just obnoxious....it's vomit, tobacco, and sh*te colored, it's tobacco sensitive, NOT European, and soon may have a voice to tell you what action to perform....I really need an eBay-modified video game, so I can amuse myself blowing them up with a simple "fire" button everyday when they force themselves in my face....same for TV commercials if I had a TV (reception)....anyhee....watch the electric bill and don't let the Topomatic get dusty because when the QR dies, it'll most likely achieve stasis and need a repairman

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 07-Jan-2007

Mike, The Quick Roller is in number 2 spot. I will use my Topomatic the same as always. I only make a pack of smokes if I am going out--otherwise I prefer to make them one at a time to have that just made taste. I will be experimenting allot with the QR when it gets here to learn its secrets and report them here. I sure as hell am not going to pack up my Topomatic! Mike

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Re: Quick Roller at RYOmagazine: Posted by mike c on Sunday, 07-Jan-2007
dear Captn'
please know me better...I knew that already....I'm just worried if the word "stasis" was applicable in my post..
ps-the machine is cool, and I have enjoyed every tidbit you've enlightened us to, about it....don't stop here...
(I am hoping you have servicing to it figured out, etc...that's all I meant if you decide to go crazy on it, which could easily be done I imagine!)
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Posted by lipps1948 on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007

-:) -:) What would you do. Regards, Pete

Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 07-Jan-2007
I remember the video. The last thing Doug says is "too bad we can't have it here"! We actually have a better product; probably due in part at least to RYO's inexperienced and shortsighted observations. Mark from D & R Tobacco mentioned that the unmerchantability was due to the auger, and liability incurred because there is no cover on the tobacco chamber! Pete, you mentioned you purposely stuck your fingers in to try and stop the motor! I believe all the safety issues have been addressed. Further, ask yourself this question. Would you pay close to $50 for a hand cranker, or about $139 for the machine you now have in your possession, or $449 for the crapshooter? What do you think the MYO smoking public would do given the same choice?

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Re: Quick Roller at RYOmagazine: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 11-Jan-2007
Since I already have a Topomatic, and now the Quick Roller; there are no other viable choices. Mike
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Posted by lipps1948 on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

I bought my machine from Hans at quick roller, it was right before Christmas had ordered an additional spiral, he
forgot to add this into bag containing instruction manual & cleaning brush, emailed him and he promptly stated he would mail this out. Now that is a very fine man, highest integrity, could easily have ignored my emails and kept the money, I sure as hell would not have traveled to Germany to pick this up. Am I pushing his sales, you bet, honesty goes a long way in today's world.
Pete

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Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

So how's your machine working out so far? Any problems with jamming, inconsistent fills, etc? Details, man! :-)

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Posted by lipps1948 on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

Okay here's the skinny, right now smoking S.J. Remboche, great tasting tobacco, don't fill machine worth a damn. fills tube good and full, BUT fire will fall out, (short cut strands do not work well) NOW YOU TOBACCO MANUFACTURE'S LISTEN UP, BETTER START CUTTING SOME OF YOUR TOBACCO'S LIKE THE EUROPEAN STYLE, LONG FINE CUT STRANDS AS DOUG KENNEDY SUGGEST'S IN HIS VIDEO PRESENTATION OF THE QUICK ROLLER, BECAUSE THEY ARE SELLING WAY ABOVE THEIR RETAIL PRICE ON EBAY, AND U.S. SMOKERS ARE GOING TO USE THEM. I ordered mine shipping total and all from Hans at quickroller.com cheaper than price's at Ebay. Have never tried McClintock, Doug Kennedy says it works great in machine, if it's a sweet tasting tobacco will be my next purchase until the American tobacco makers get it cut for the machine's.

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Posted by mark on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

the quick roller looks to me like the machine that was available for a short while at cigarettes cheaper stores five years ago or so (and mostly as a demo only). the machine which we tested at that time was not merchantable to our company for a couple of reasons. it worked on a corkscrew mechanism that literally grinds the tobacco as it enters into the tube. besides making an inferior fill with every brand and style of tobacco we tested, their greatest issue for us as a potential vendor was the serious liability issues with the machine. there is no cover over the tobacco slot to protect against fingers accidentally caught during closing. we tested the machine with the filter side of tubes and they were cut off and spit out the end. they never made it into the usa for obvious reasons other than some "big business" paranoia. these machines may be closeout remnants from that era. their latest effort with the revolution electric machine is superior by comparison (but not yet perfect) and uses a premier-type spoon.

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007
Mark: I believe the machines you are thinking about are the ones being liquidated in Ventura, California, by Recycled Goods. They state on their site that the machines can not be sold in the U.S.A. per agreement with the consignee. This is the model Doug Kennedy tested and on RYO's site. The improved models come with a corkscrew type device rather than an auger like the old model. I'd almost bet that Koppa Cheapest was nearly financially ruined over this misconception; since U.S. Customs is holding their shipment not allowing the new machines to be imported. Or, the people making the Fresh Choice $449/$100 machine/guarantee complained to the Federal Trade Commission; being they are the only U.S. manufacturer of an electric machine, and that their business would be severally hurt by foreign imports--like Harley Davidson did when Kawasaki started exporting big bore motorcycles here--remember? Something's up! Mike
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Posted by lipps1948 on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

Oops! sorry wazmo, has jammed only one time, had the tobacco so moist probably could have wrung it out like a dishrag, aside from that no problems, short strands tend to let fire fall out, having to relight 2-3 times while smoking cigarette. Falls out when you flick ashes off.
Regards, Pete

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Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

This was what I was wondering about...that sounds totally unacceptable to me. Does tamping the cigs down after manufacture mitigate this problem? If not, I'll certainly leave well enough alone and stick with the Supermatic....

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by lipps1948 on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007
Wazmo, I love the machine, it's time for our tobacco manufactures to cut the proper fit .
regards Pete
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Posted by lipps1948 on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007

No, tamping down the cigarette did not alleviate the problem, but the tobacco is the problem, it's apple & oranges, I'm a retired Bosch Automotive shop owner and drive Toyota's, the best far as I'm concerned, Europeans also build some great cars. Grew up with GM, Chevrolet was the thing but time passes and some things go downhill such as the big three. When the big 3 auto and the big tobacco suppliers start to listen we'll get it right. Kinda like unions, have belonged to 4, made higher wages, but facts are this the manufacturing companies are going to continue their huge net profits and so they go to a foreign land escaping our wage cost, now in the present we manufacture little but service a lot. Same with these Quick Roller's as long as Americans buy them we need a tobacco cut to work.
Pete

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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007

Well, I went and done it! I won the bid on one of these machines on Ebay on default. The guy who was winning withdrew his bid. $157 before shipping and tax. The issue with these machines to me is the moisture content of the tobacco--I'll find out in a couple days I guess? They have 3 more machines to auction, and that's it! Mine and the other machines they have were opened and tested to be sure they worked, but are brand new otherwise. The seller told me in a telephone conversation that no more machines were going to be imported. I hope I haven't been screwed LMAO! But better to be had for $157 than for $449? Mike
BYW--The unit Doug tested had a plastic auger filling screw, but which one did mark test? Green or Red?

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by a friend on mike's named mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007
oh too cool...to be honest..the quick roller "looks" intense...and anything that could catch fingers and hurt them is OK with me....looks like Quick Roller will be welcome here then huh??? If I were you, I WOULD treat it like a "collector's item"..since it does appear to be one.
the "Fresh Choice" isn't as cool..I agree...
and the Quick Roller has all that cool "controversy"
after that post by Major Havoc....I am fearful of the perfected Fresh Choice machine, or whatever it eventually is...and it will take away the "personal touch" that WE give to making our cigs....I think people should stick to Supermatics even after a perfect Auto-Spewer comes out....just like there are still people (and god bless 'em) using turntables exclusively for their music...more work, but to many much more rewarding.....also..it seems like this list has made the point about auto-machines before, but I forgot if so.
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Posted by lipps1948 on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007

If Mark looked at one 5 years ago it was most likely the Easy Roller, blue in color and concave sides on the plastic body. this one had more problems than can be counted. Still selling though, [link] the latest model of Quick Roller is the green colored body, I believe the brown body comes with the plastic screw with later brown bodies having metal screw.
Pete

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007
Pete: If you look closely at the blue model in the link you supplied--it's a knock--off of the Easy--Quick roller. Knowing a little about Germans', I believe they bought the rights to manufacture the Quick Roller in Germany; probably with the stipulation they not export them. And, they are selling the Quick Roller on their site as well. As for the Chinese--they'll pirate any technology, copy any design, improve on the design in some cases and get away with it! I can't figure out why we trade with them, and not Cuba? Could it be politics, money, big business? (:-{) Mike
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Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007

Yes, probably the Easy Roller, the brown (plastic auger) one in Doug's video. This is the first I've seen/heard of the Fast Filler (your link) and the site has no details to know what kind of auger it has.

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Posted by lipps1948 on Friday, 05-Jan-2007

Okay, site with quick filler (blue model) I thought was a German site until looking at the end of address (.ch) - Switzerland, here is the video of it [link] only 62.82 euro / $83.15 American. like you I don't know about the auger, but guy in video is loading tubes faster than all videos pertaining to the different machines.

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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by lipps1948 on Friday, 05-Jan-2007
Video seems to be quicktime format only, at least on my machine.
Pete
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by lipps1948 on Friday, 05-Jan-2007
Nahhhhh! I'll stick with my Quick Roller. More I use the better it's getting (learning curve) just like with crank machines. A little moisture works better, certainly not dryer.
Pete
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2007
Pete, I just ordered the Teflon Spiral from Hans as well. I hope it solves the problem I have with the Look Out Milde Shag! It'll work fine if I let the tobacco air out a bit, but I want it to work perfect with any tobacco.If I can get to work as well as my Topomatic with moist tobaccos -- I'll be in there! There is one thing though, I've found the QR needs cleaning more often when using moist tobacco. Mike
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Quick Injector-Electric Cigarette Injector

Posted by lipps1948 on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

Okay, hope I get the upload pictures right this time, had to take my Quick Roller apart, tension knob setting would back off (not stay in setting) the outer knob snaps into inside lever and the only way to snap tight was to remove front cover section holding spiral.One screw in center of bottom holds this part (REMOVE SPIRAL FIRST) remove and tilt the top of this front section away from back motor cover (will not void warranty), not knowing this ahead of time and thinking the covers were one piece I removed the 2 small warranty tabs underneath from back cover. Oh well somebody had to start in house repairs, shipping back to Denmark is too expensive. Hmmmm six pics to upload, will have to add links to this one if it can be done.
Pete

[click image and then 'next' to view the rest of the images]

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Re: Quick Roller Pictures: Posted by scott johnson on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007
looks like something i could build in a couple afternoons. maybe. naw, i'll stick to the supermatic!

thanks for the pictures though.
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007
Hi Pete! Thanks for the photos. Looking at your pictures makes me feel a little better about my purchase of one of these machines on E-Bay. It appears to be of quality manufacture--we'll see! Mike
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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 12-Nov-2006

Doing research on the net I found this site which sell its TM'd Quick Injector for a recommended price of $139.00. It comes with a two year warranty, and a one year Satisfaction Guaranteed Guarantee. Approved for use in the USA, and they have a warranty work address too. Looks better than other electronic wizardry being it makes regular, Kings and 100's. The only drawback I see is you have to call them; as I couldn't up and buy one with my Mastercard for some reason. Here's the link [link]

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Re: Quick Injector-Electric Cigarette Injector: Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 12-Nov-2006
Just to be clear--I'm not actually buying one. When I check out a site I also check out its payment options. Anyways, it is a nice thought, and the best deal by far on the market now for an electric. Mike
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Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2006

Something maybe fishy with them. The site is says they are rKoppa Cheapest LLC, the website is registered to FreedomAlive Inc. IEM Global S.A. and PayPal says they are Student Approved Teachers Alliance. That PayPal says "This recipient is currently unable to receive money." makes one wonder if their account is frozen.

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Re: Quick Injector-Electric Cigarette Injector: Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2006
The site has pictures of a Quick-Roller but they say it has a plastic auger (i.e. Easy Roller)... and their YouTube movie 'The New Quick Injector' is a copy of the RYOMag Easy Roller video... Hoss @ Quick-Roller says they are not Quick-Roller's and that the manufacturer is not exporting machines to the US. While Hoss's conclusion that the machines aren't made in the EU is possible (China), I think its more likely the Quick Injector's are hacked Easy Roller's, i.e. the ones that Doug was hawking.
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Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007

Dave, something is fishy with Koppa Cheapest! The link I had referred to in my earlier post is dead! I called them; since I still have their number, and got the same recorded message stating--there is still a Customs Hold on their shipments, and that they expect to have product by next week. They are willing to reimburse anyone who has placed an order from them, and ask for an e-mail or fax. For some reason these folks are screening their calls! If I'm not mistaken; this is the same message I got when I called them last year in November! Mike

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Re: Quick Injector-Electric Cigarette Injector: Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 04-Jan-2007
I'm not surprised. I could find nothing to suggest the company was on the level. If there really are machines, I doubt they are as advertised.
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Re: Quick Roller: Posted by James Thompson on Monday, 28-Nov-2005
The quick roller is the best machine that I have used to date. I have worn out several of the supermatics. One thing that I have found with the menthol tobaccos is that you have to shop for the one you like. I also use menthol tubes. The Quick roller is making consistant well packed cigaretts every time after a bit of practice. The moisture content of the tobacco seems also to make a difference.
I had seen the original Easy Roller? used in a large American discount chain store.
Overall I would say that this one is a winner.
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Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005

Thank you for being the first one brave enough to try out the Quick Roller, and for the frank review of it. I'm sorry to hear that it fails to live up to expectations.

Would a tobacco that is more moist be less prone to crumbling?

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Posted by Rick on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005

I wondered about that too. The Zig Zag canned tobacco is always fresh and pretty moist anyway. It often builds up on the Supermatic cutter. I was thinking of adding moisture, stuffing with the quick roller, and then leaving the sticks out in the open to dry out again. It still sounds like a pain.

I the RYO video of the EZ-Roller hit on it. They said you have to have a very long, fine-cut, shag tobacco for use in the machine for it to perform. That seems not to be the normal in the US, and certainly not in the limited menthol versions. RYO's video even mention filing the edges of the auger, but the Quick-Roller uses this auger made from copper wire, so there are no sharp edges. I was wondering about a slower motor, but then you'd increase the time and ease to stuff each stick. That is what we're all after, isn't it?

If I was really smart, I'd come up with a piston driven machine - kind of a hybrid between the quick roller and a Premier.

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Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005

"If I was really smart, I'd come up with a piston driven machine - kind of a hybrid between the quick roller and a Premier."

How about a steam powered piston. LOL

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Posted by David on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005

hi Rick,

After a few more days at it, how is the machine doing? I am totally new to RYO (I'm not even good at other things rolled into paper), and a machine is how I would like to go. Because I am totally new, I am particularly concerned with speed and quality of smoke. Oh and I am also curious, can your machine make 100's? Do the tubes come with a filter already in them? Thanks for any input, because that Easy Roller really caught my eye as a nice investment if I were to make the plunge. Happy rolling everyone...be happy as my state is going up $6.00/carton in state tax this Friday. We will be at $47.00 now to get out the door.

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Re: EZ Quick Roller: Posted by Rick on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005
Hi David,
At this point my strong personal recommendation is a Premier Supermatic II, with Daves' Hopper. It's more work and more time consuming, but makes a much better stick. I haven't tried 100's, but I'm pretty sure it would do them. And, it's a whole lot cheaper, particularly if your just getting into MYO. You can get some of the small hand injectors for a few dollars.

Welcome to the hobby. I'd call it a hobby, because it's much like brewing your own beer. You have the flexibility to try many different brands of tobacco, tubes, or rolling machines to find out what works for you. I stuff about 3 packs a day for my wife and I. This takes about an hour, give or take, but can be done while watching the idiot box. An hour a day, every day is a sizable committment, but I figure it works out to be at least a $12 savings every day.

Find a local cigarette or tobacco shop that sells MYO supplies and check them out. Their "clerks" often don't know much, but use what info they offer. I suggested to one store owner that they hold an MYO workshop to let people try equipment and supplies and to share knowledge.

Also, look through the many online storefronts. This site offers the most information and support, bar none. I also have learned a lot through the RYOmagazine (.com) website. Their back issues are all there and offer a lot.

Yes, the tubes we all talk about are empty, rolled tubes with the filter already inside. There are many brands, types and sizes, including 100's. They vary widely, but an average might be $2/200 tubes. I figure my cost, minus the machine, is about a dollar a pack.

Welcome. Start small and see if it is for you. When your into it a bit and still want an Easy Roller, maybe we'll talk..... ;)
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