Ultimatic
The Hildbrandt Ultimatic is a Chinese made Supermatic clone. Currently, its only available on eBay from preciousauctions. Here's a link to his Tobacciana listings. At this point there has been no information provided relating to warranty, service, or parts availability. Cheapest price is currently $36 shipped.
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- Re: Hildbrandt /SM bushing enquiry
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 26-May-2007
I am wanting knowledge concerning the life of the bushings.
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I am under the impression that they tend to wear out or even crack. Is this correct?? how long can they (generally speaking) be expected to function?
also, the bushing on the Hildbrandt is different than the Supermatic, and the metal shaft (for lack of term) on the Hildbrandt is too thick to fit into Supermatic. I am not sure if the ultimate circumference of the bushings is the same but I am hoping this is the case, and if it is not, can I find one that fits correctly somewhere???
thanks
- Re: Hildbrandt /SM bushing enquiry
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 30-May-2007
I know we have machinists and otherwise technically gifted readers on this forum.
could someone please prove how sharp they are by pointing me to where I can purchase a proper crank-bushing for the Ultimatics?? The seller is a very busy person and access to parts remains uncertain
That is the only potential threat I can see to hinder my continued use of the word "Ultimatic" FOREVER!!!!!
(there is of course, the possibility that a SM bushing can be used, but a shaft replacement would then be required, hmm)
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- Re: Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- Posted by Hildbrant History on Thursday, 24-May-2007
my now perfectly pristine and time-capsuled collector's item, the prototype Ultimatic machine, has a different paint job....
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The blue isn't as "vibrant" or "electric" as compared to the later issued one, however the texture is such that it stays cleaner easier......
this post is what you get for having a tiff when I actually wasn't home/around
- Re: Hildbrandt Ultimatic- Conversion Success
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 22-May-2007
the dream has been realised.
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my Ultimatic is better than your Ultimatic.
I discovered that my plastic cutter fit on the newer Ultimatic, but doesn't fit on the older....hmmm
WHO CARES!! HAHAHAHAHA
after many attempts and part exchanges, I ended up using the original Supermatic H-Link, Supermatic Cam, and Supermatic H-Link screws......
good thing I had one set of the micro-washers as these are MANDATORY if you do this mod. I am now in need of a new plastic cutter to replace on my Supermatic (damn), and a new Supermatic Cam, and H-Link screws..and nuts...I guess I will become a PITA to Arbro Inc, today...I may come back begging again...$5.00 is a lot to me right now
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 10-May-2007
I seem to have ruined a machine last night
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my second Ultimatic has always been tight in the action, but between forcing it and taking it apart and sanding the cutter bottom a bit, something has happened which BEWILDERS my brain infinitum.
I cannot see what is wrong. The machine jams up and forms a plug that doesn't want to push through
bent spoon doesn't seem to be it (switched them, as well as cutter, pretty sure I did) This is very dissappointing, as it is SOOO confusing. Sorry to be posting again but I can't help it and I imagine you understand
mike
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 10-May-2007
Does the machine work fine when there's no tobacco? With the chamber closed, can you see a bit of the cutter/compressor sticking out inside the nozzle (even when you push on cutter face with a chopstick)? [link]
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- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 10-May-2007
wow, thanks that was fast
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the answer is yes!
one thing....the metal plate where the washers are in which the h-link screws go, just fell off, and I have been just placing it on and letting the h-link screws hold it on.....could this be it??? I don't THINK it is, but you would know best
mike
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by Dave L on Friday, 11-May-2007
If that was two yeses I don't know what to suggest. It sounded like the tobacco might be hanging up inside the nozzle. I assume you've tried with less and dryer tobacco.
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- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 11-May-2007
ok. thanks
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it just scares me that something like this could happen.
In comparing my 2 machines, it appears like the spoon is being pushed towards the compressor and making the "avenue" too tight to push out the nozzle
I just can't see what/how I caused this but will offer these old words anyway in case I can save anyone this grief.
do NOT, i repeat DO NOT force a machine if it jams.
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 12-May-2007
You may have already figured out the problem and I have never seen or operated a Hild...
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However, it is a Supermatic clone, so from what you describe it sounds like the H-link may actually be moving where the screws attach it.
Turn the machine upside down and watch where the H-link is connected by the screws. If when you work the crank, the H-link appears loose at all where it is attached by the screws, that is the problem.
Not sure about the fix. Depends on the damage. At least new H-link screws and possibly a new H-link. On the Supermatic, the H-link screws must fit securely into the "cut-out" in that plate. The fact that your plate "fell off" tells me that the H-link is moving and that is enough to make the cutter move too far into the chamber.
Maybe you simply got a lemon, maybe you forced it too much, but all in all, I would say you get what you pay for or as Dave Matthews says it "you pay for what you get".
Good luck!
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 12-May-2007
Oops,
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The fact that the plate fell off is actually the problem. If you cannot weld or otherwise re-secure that plate, that machine is scrap metal.
You will notice the holes in that plate have holes that are larger than the actual screw portion of the H-link screws. That is what keeps the H-link from moving and keeps it from grinding the threads of the actual screw part.
Unless you can successfully re-secure that plate in the exact position it needs to be in, new H-link screws and/or a new H-link won't do you any good.
I have to admit that I have used more force than should ever be applied to my Supermatic and it has held up quite well. I guess this says something about the quality of the Hild... or the strength of your arm! (grin)
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Sunday, 13-May-2007
Kerry
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super-glued that plate back on right as Dave showed up to try to help
I couldn't believe (I guess I am easily amused, not well-trained in super-glue) that it set into place INSTANTLY, with not one bit of play or looseness.
That apparently wasn't it...man it is weird
I didn't force it THAT hard, as you know I have been doing this a while, and have a special beveled lollipop "stem" that I quickly produce every time I get a jam (because I inject shake and you are to blame for teaching me that as well...hehehee)....I'll try it one more time tomorrow and if I get results I will report it, if not, just be glad you are not me on that one!!!!
thanks again
m
- Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Sunday, 13-May-2007
Kerry..thanks very much
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them h-link was wobbly, AND, one of the h-link screw caps is/was a lemon, and wouldn't fasten down tight, so it would just go on loose to some degree, but I am pretty sure the other one being tight held it all in place good.
To be honest, it confounded me so badly, I just accepted it is dead, and figure I have a bunch of spare parts. I think the seller is going to fix me up, but I told him it was OK either way. I paid a total of $15.00 a piece for them. First was free, then second was 15, but I paypal'ed him another 15 so as not to feel too cheap. Incidentally there are differences about the cutter "peg" sizes..(the original cutter, not plastic "jobber")..., and h-link screw sizes, etc.....the h-link on the Supermatic seems to be slightly more heavy-duty, etc...(I will try the evil thing one more time in morning...I am at peace right now and don't want to enter frustration zone)
again, thank you Kerry:)
- Re: Ultimatic Jambing
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 17-May-2007
was bored this a.m., had a hunch my problem was due to a damaged/faulty H-link.
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That was it.
switched cutter into the machine I am using, didn't like the tighter action....apparently a bad combo of chamber/cutter on bad machine
it's gutted.
I guess this may be the classic effect of "forcing"?
and a not-so-smooth machine..I refuse to be held responsible...it's someone else's fault due to poor workmanship.
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- Re: Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- Posted by scott johnson on Friday, 13-Apr-2007
Well, You get what you pay for. This is a really cheaply made Supermatic clone. Mine came partially disassembled and with no instructions. I had to install the spoon and use 2 washers I found inside the box to get the clearance right so it didn't drag. It stuffs most tubes OK and tight against the filter. I think that the quality control at the factory lags behind most other manufacturers. Though this is a really cheap machine to use as a backup once it reassembled it.
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The rubber base on this thing really stinks! It needs to stay somewhere that it won't stink up your main living area.
The action is smooth enough for me and I will use this one for travel and as a back up for my old red supermatic.
SJ
- Re: Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 14-Apr-2007
Currently an Ultimatic cannot be had for less than $36 shipped (the last one sold for $46). Lil' Brown [was] selling the Supermatic for $33. If you buy a few pounds of tobacco (and who wouldn't :-) with your machine, the Supermatic shipped cost could be less than $36.
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- Re: Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- Posted by scott johnson on Sunday, 15-Apr-2007
I think I got mine for around $25. I bought it out of curiousity more than necessity.
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- Hildbrand Ultimatic has arrived!
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 03-Mar-2007
My Ultimatic arrived today from Canada, and I'm going to try and borrow a camera so I can post some pictures along with my thoughts on this machine. Capt,n Mike
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- Re: Hildbrand Ultimatic has arrived!
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 03-Mar-2007
The unit arrived in a plain white box w/the shipping label affixed there to. This is how bulk orders are sometimes shipped. The only writing was "Made in China"; visible through the tape. Inside, the Ultimatic was sealed in a plastic bag, and no papers were included and I could find no markings on the machine at all!
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The paint scheme is kind of neat and is flat crinkle like. The rubber base had a smell like a tire store, and fit snugly on the base of the machine. Running a few cycles without tobacco I could tell the machine was in need of lubrication, and my inspection of the unit confirmed it. I used Marvel Lubricating Oil in a Spot Oiler to accomplish the task. The unit looks like it does in the pictures, but better in person. There is a good deal of play in the linkage where it connects to the cutter/compressor; enough to visibly move the linkage on the compressor studs. The selector wouldn't lock into position to make 100's, and the reason is the washer on the nut holding the adjustment cam in place. Before I moved anything; I ran a few King size filters, and Non--filtered smokes using my dampest Look Out Milde Shag tobacco. The king Size Filter smokes came out perfect, and the tobacco was against the filter without tapping and was packed good; with perfect draw. The Non--Filtered smokes didn't work out as well, and neither did the 100's. The Non--Filtered tubes were released early, and the 100's tube got torn slightly. I adjusted the tube release after scribing the original location--to a point where the adjuster would snap into place for the 100 mm setting properly; which wasn't a big deal. Next I injected a tube with the machine set in the 100's position, and produced a viable smoke with minimum overhang. Then, I set the machine for Non-Filtered and used an Athey 76mm tube. The Ultimatic produced an almost perfect smoke, and I injected several more still using moist Look Out Milde Shag to be sure all's well. Since I generally smoke filter kings; I set the machine for them and been making them ever since!
In conclusion, if I were one of those who enjoyed picking pepper out of fly shit I'd have no problem running down the Hildbrand Ultimatic! The metal to metal fit isn't the greatest, and the tolerances are "relaxed"; not to mention the mechanism has a few tight spots when dry cycled. I discovered the Cutter/Compressor is the main cause of these hangups; due in part to relaxed tolerances of the Cutter/Compressor, and/or the Chamber! For the price of this machine--I can live with these discrepancies!
The Ultimatic does in fact make quite a good smoke as tight or loose as I desire. I'm tempted to get a stencil and paint "Ultimatic" along the Vertical Axis on the Nipple side of the machine! The Ultimatic definitely resembles a Supermatic, but at a lower quality and price point. But, I'm sure if I were to make a smoke with a Supermatic, and one with the Ultimatic, and the Topomatic, then--mix them up and try to tell which smoke came from which machine--I'd get a headache to say the least! The Hildbrand Ultimatic is therefore a keeper! Capt,n Mike
- Re: Hildbrand Ultimatic has arrived!
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 15-Mar-2007
Just a few more comments on the Ultimatic. After some time living with an Ultimatic I'm surprised by the machine's predictability. The first day I got it I used various tobaccos; having good results with all. Once I got the release set correctly (so the adjustment lever locked in the 100's notch), I had the same results. I still think this machine is a good buy! I was so impressed with the Ultimatic, I gave it to Kathy across the street, because she likes 100's, and has been using using my old Supermatic 2 since I got the first Topomatic. I hope to add to the knowledge base here her experiences with the machine. Kathy is fairly new to MYO--CMS, and has the patience to sit there with a hand held making 100's, so I thought why not give her a new machine; since I have 3 others? Capt'n Mike
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- The Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- Posted by Hildbrandt on Monday, 04-Dec-2006
I am the seller that Mike C was referring to that is introducing the "Hildbrandt Ultimatic". Wow, I had no idea that the MYO community was so large and interesting. I have been smoking since I was 14 and unfortunately for me, packs of smokes have gone up to a WHOPPING $9 a pack in BC, Canada. MYO seems to be a pretty wise choice for me. I've been using this German automatic one button electric cigarette machine for over a year now and it was satisfactory in performance but I've had this problem of the cigarette burning unevenly. Seems like the spindle it uses cuts up the tobacco too much and it ends up turning like dried parsley in the smoke. After testing out the Hildbrandt Ultimatic, I was quite impressed with its functioning compared to my german made electric machine. I didn't have the problem of the smoke burning unevenly and the smoke just seemed to hold together a lot better. I've never used a Supermatic or Topomatic before so I hope that maybe in time I might get some feedback on this forum on how it compares.
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Its a funny story how I got into considering entering this business but long story short, a good friend of mine manufactures these machines and asked me if I wanted to help him sell them. I am going to be marketing them under the brand name Hildbrandt Ultimatic. As a matter of fact, after reading how Mike C was anticipating owning a machine like this, I am going to give him this demo model for free. I hope that you will get a lot of use on this machine Mike. Merry Christmas. I am sorry I cannot extend this same offer to anyone else as 1) I am out of demo models 2) my next batch of these machines will not be ready until a little after Christmas.
- Re: The Hildbrandt Ultimatic
- The replies and everything below this point has been deleted (early speculation about the machine, chitchat, etc.)
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