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- Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by Laurie on Saturday, 13-Oct-2007
Anyone know a company out there where I can buy cigarette tubes that have an actual silver tip? An e-mail address would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time, Laurie
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- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by mike c on Sunday, 14-Oct-2007
Hi Laurie....I've decided to answer this since I feared it might go unanswered, plus, you reminded me of a very nice person who isn't active here anymore...thanks, I've mailed him....anyway, we had some discussion some months ago about new radical tipping for tubes....he came up with silver tipping...as far as I know, they don't yet exist....maybe they will in future...
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- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
aw, for a moment I thought you meant me, mikey. ;-) you're still sweet.
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Because of the recent changes made in the Windsail tubes, I've decided to go back to Zen until the Nocturnes come out.
I could live with the tighter diameter of the tubes-- it might have been intended as an improved fit on machines.
But then, when I noticed that
(1) the filter diameter distorts the shape of the tube (same diameter as before, so the filter's thicker than the stuffed tobacco-holding portion and it leaks smoke), and
(2) the paper is suddenly FASTER-BURNING (you should see that 1/2" cherry on my beautiful Turkish baccy)...
... well, right about then, I realized these changes couldn't possibly be a mistake OR an attempt to produce better tubes. It was an intentional quality-reduction move on their part.
I'm done with Windsail.
- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
well girls are made of sugar and spice, rather than puppy-dog tails right??...
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he's nice but not as nice as you
he did get the insane idea of silver-tipped tubes however!!!!
could I interest the lady in Nocturne SLIMS??????
- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
my old Sobranie Cocktails (now available again, by the way) were gold-tipped. Why not a silver (not meaning cork) tipping for Scott? :-)
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Dunno about Nocturne slims, as I work at home and like a long-lasting smoke out of my gorgeous Turkish blend. Say more, though... girls are so malleable in their enthusiasms, right? except for my undying affection for you & Dave and lots of other great guys around here. ;)
- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
oop, when I said "insane" it meant "outrageous", "radical", etc,,,,,when he first said it, my first thought was the normal meaning....but I was obviously wrong, since that lady asked for them
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there be slims on that thar horizon
more details as the runway is clear for takeoff
stay tuned (for any interested)
- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
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Mike, you're an insider?
Tell now, babe!!!
- Re: Silver tipped cigarette tubes?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
i confess
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i am
certainly wasn't intentional
all I know is slim tubes are soon to be introduced, but if you think about it you can come up with a thought of what that will require, I have a lot of New Yahwk friends and while they may have an accent, being slow in the head isn't a trait.......
- Black Tubes?
- Posted by ALLTALL on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
Since I have to do the manual labor of stuffing my own smokes. I would like to have some fun with it. Does anyone know of a company that makes black tubes for SYO?
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- What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Monday, 28-May-2007
How about ...
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1. A tube made with those great low or no-taste, nearly-transparent papers such as the 'Raw' brand papers, the other near transparent one called 'Pure(?)' - or the tobacco-infused papers like 'Rollies.'
They'd make spectacular tubes, yet not a single tube manufacturer uses this kind of paper.
2. A "design your own" tube, with choice of filter, paper, tipping, banding... and HEY how about monogramming?
3. The Gambler Light tubes, looking the same but with no perforations, slow burning paper, and a choice of Kings and 100s. :-)
Anybody else have an ideal tube 'rolling' around in your head?
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 29-May-2007
I want a St. Vincent made tube with a low density 25mm filter element. With the same paper as the Zen line. I want this in a king size. A longer filter makes more sense to me as I like the taste of full flavor tobaccos, but not wanting the full blast of nicotine and tar. Also, I never get to smoke a full stick anyway, more filter would mean less tobacco wasted.
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I also want silver tipping paper.
SJ
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 29-May-2007
Scott
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do you like the paper on the Zen,, preferable to the Ramback line?
I don't seem to have the taste buds to notice or pick out paper discrepancies, except I thought the Rizla FF did seem pretty clean.
I can't tell if the paper on the older Zen is different from the newer, but it definitely runs, and I am wondering if being "wider" circumference contributes to this.
you mention silver tipping paper, I had never heard the term until I arrived here...doesn't that equate to the brown "cork style" or white paper normally used around the filter??? if so you want it all silver???
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 29-May-2007
I believe they both use the same paper. I think all St. Vincent tubes use the same paper except for the brown Vera Cruz model.
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Tipping paper: the normally cork printed paper the surrounds the filter/butt end.
I just want something different.
SJ
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
The Vera Cruz Nocturne paper is Elegante with a dye job. Rinse one in a bit of warm water; there it is.
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The Zen Light 100s I bought a couple of months ago had thicker, firmer paper, raspier/chalkier to the lip, than the VC Elegante. Nor did it show that fine light ring banding -- it seemed homogenous throughout.
I concur, Scott, I want something different in a big way. The Premiere white tipping is starting to irritate my lips, the Windsails work great on my Gizeh GTP but pack loose on the Top-O, and I've just unburdened myself at length to Doug at RYO Mag about my views:
TUBES - THE WEAKEST LINK.
We've got stupendous tobacco, marvelous machines, and tubes like pig iron fuselage on fighter jets. Does that make sense to you?
Come ON, tube makers!!! :-}
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
I agree totally...the consistency of tube quality, even amongst the more "consistently consistent" of tubes, is haphazard; mediocre at best. Maybe the next big thing, beyond mechanised stuffers, should be some method of making your own tubes. At least then we'd clearly know who to blame for the duds! :-)
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- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
I find myself thinking "keep 'em the same Zen, you can do it!!!! keep them the saaaaaaa-mmmmm-h...
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BTW, the "Dry Mc V" comment, was involving what could have been STALE Mc V....just wanted to tell you that....
I once talked with someone respected, who shall remain anonymous, and the focus was sort of "with the tiny amount of money involved per tube, discrimination is rather silly"
these are my own words, used for the point
also, apparently not everyone is sensitive to paper aspects, etc.
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Matt on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
To answer the subject question, Bugler is my idea of an ideal tube. They're very consistent, draw well, and are neutral in taste. The best thing is with a 17mm filter they work best for me on the Excel. The bad side is the price: $2.85 at the nearest incense burning cigarette outlet. If you haven't given Bugler tubes a try, I highly recommend them.
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- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by ,mike c on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
in response to Matt:
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17mm on the Bugler? I din't realize....I will second his opinion, to me, these and the Rizla FF (I think maybe even a tad better, but could be wrong) are probably my 2 best picks if it were not for the "wider" diameter which I don't like myself.....very good quality though, neutral taste, recommended!!!!!
ps-also the filters don't stay together as nice as Zen and St. Vincent tubes, but the paper used is probably superior, etc
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
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Wazmo, once again you're speaking my language.
...
I interrupt this post to say that Doug wrote me back a whopper. I'll summarize here what I believe to have been his main points relevant to the topic at hand, if I obtain permission from him to do so.
...
Meanwhile, I'm fantasizing about two utterly disparate options:
(1) a service through which we could order up a carton of tubes the way we can pick options on buying a Dell PC online. A choice among papers (composition, color, flavor, length), filters (composition, density, length), tipping (cork or white or metallic or colored or 'clear'), trim (shape, width, number and composition of bands or other style of applique'd add-on), and print (standard letter/#/symbol, monogram, or custom design); and
(2) switching over to a rolling machine that accommodates filters, and picking me own whatever.
humorous side note: in one recent box of Premiere Light 100s, half a dozen tubes were missing the filter entirely. I noticed only after stuffing them. Tasted pretty great. ;-D
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Jo on Sunday, 24-Jun-2007
I like the way the Windsail tubes slide easily on my machine. I have used them on a Top and a Premiere and have had no problems. I have had problems with other tubes that crunch up on the end and won't slide on. It may be that the paper is thinner on those that crunch up.
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Ideally, I would like the most organic and thinnest paper that slides on as easily as the Windsail tube.
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Bob Brinsfield on Tuesday, 07-Aug-2007
And I was going to ask all of you which tube you would suggest. I just started this week. I bought zig zag because it was available. I also have the zig zag hand injector. I'm considering the excel next. But just today I managed to get it down to one hour 20 smokes.
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I really don't like the zig zag tubes..They remind me of store brand cigarettes. Can anyone suggest a better tube? Thanks.
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- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Dave Brown on Tuesday, 07-Aug-2007
Zen ES is the tube for the wife and I
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We have used both the 100 and king size and have tried premier, top, bugler and giseh.
beside no tase whatsoever we like the 17 mm filter in the king and 25mm in the 100, makes for a smooth smoke. The fact that there are 250 in a box is a bonus
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 07-Aug-2007
he's absolutely right....seconding this since it seems like there is a few new words without faces here......time for me to order (eyeroll), I guess I should try to hook my current shop up somehow, it's so nauseating to see only Premier tubes and Menthol Top's being offered....
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FYO, I appreciated the video you made and saw it pop up early in the morn', but I got tired of seeing you barely move while I was waiting on the dialup....my shop has the new Supermatic, at 60....uhh
also, if you want even smoother, DnR tobacco has their own line of tubes with 20mm filters as well, but these Zen's are my preferred and to me, hold up the best of any
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Dave Brown on Tuesday, 07-Aug-2007
Mike, buy it at 60.... it is worth it.
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The action can only be described slicker than snot on black ice.
I have over 1000 injected through it so far and......
Not one jam (even injecting stuff the 500 would hang on in a second)
Havent cleaned it other than a brush off
havent had to tighten any screws or nuts (like i had to do with the 500)
- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 07-Aug-2007
dear Dave, not to be confused with _Dave_ Dave, yes I agree, and that very fact is why I used a handheld today, just to get a reminder of the past, and the money savings all total make getting a chunk of steel well worth it....I was the second person that anyone can document around here to conduct experiments with the new parts (plastic cutter, h-link)...while my Supermatic was my first machine, and was the initial recipient of those goodies, it is currently awaiting a makeover, I have since moved on to a modified clone, and I wish I could let you take it for a test-drive to notice the weird differences in top-rate performance---either machine....(tit-for-tat, as it were)
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- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Bob Brinsfield on Wednesday, 08-Aug-2007
Thanks. I'll order up a box of them and give them a try. I might have to get them online though because there just aren't too many places around here that sell these.
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- Re: What's your idea of an Ideal Tube?
- Posted by Danny Edwards on Friday, 22-Jun-2007
When I was in that Cheap Tobacco store looking at the tubes, they had one with a 22mm filter on a king size. The box said it was made in the Phillipines. They said it used less tobacco and had a smoother taste
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- what difference does 2mm really make?
- Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 26-May-2007
Started MYO a few months ago and I do a lot of stuffing, the wife smokes about a pack aday and I do two so you can figure my supermatic gets a workout. We get our tobacco and tubes from the same place once a month and get 5 lbs of tobacco and 12 boxes of tubes.
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I was just getting premier ff tubes since they carry the same brand name of the supermatic and figured I couldn't go wrong. Most of the smokes I would make would require a couple of hard taps to pack down to the filter and every now and then would even get one where the tube would collapse at the end of the filter paper and those would get set aside and smoked carefully since when you got close the cherry was going to fall off.
This month I decided to try the Zen tubes instead of Premier. I also ordered a premier excel as a backup machine. I got the order 2 days ago and even though I had 2 boxes of premier tubes left they hit the dumpster this morning.
The Zens I got are the St Vincent ES (Red Box 250 ct) with 17 mm filters. I can tell right now I will never change unless god forbid they stop making them.
Every smoke and I mean every one I have stuffed in the last 3 days is filled firm to the filter and they get one or two light taps and thats it. At first I thought (since I was using the excel) that maybe my supermatic was out of time but I tend to check its adjustment and make sure everything thats supposed to be tight is, etc about once a week and have it adjusted pretty good so I whipped out the supermatic and made about 40 this morning and every one had practically no filter gap just like the excel (one or two light taps took it all out)
The only thing I can figure is the extra 2mm of filter DOES really make a big difference. As for taste I cant tell any discernible paper taste that some have reported they seem to be as neutral as the premier FF to me anyway.
Only advice I can give is get a box and try em and if your injector is timed right you should get some of the best smokes you've ever injected.
I will qualify my experience by saying I have used premier FF tubes, Gizeh menthol kings and premier ff 100 tubes. and timed my machine to the premier ff king tubes. I.E would put on a tube and run the spoon out until it touched the filter then set the contact rivet to release at that point.
- Re: what difference does 2mm really make?
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 26-May-2007
you answered your own question-: injectability
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that's it for me, anyway
if you ever want to get _really_ lazy, try the Ramback tubes with a 20mm!!!!
The Zen tubes are "it" for me due to the firm filter glue and construction, however I am expecting Wazmo to come and put doubts
haha
ps-Premier tubes are considered to be garbage (generally, not by all) on this forum, and I had never encountered them until the other day, and I'd like to thank everyone for saving me $3.00 a box. Thank You
- Tube Enquiry - Wazmo
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 26-May-2007
Wazmo N,
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would you please share your own tube recommendations
have you tried the Zen St. V's???
anyway, trust your opinion
thank you
m
- Re: Tube Enquiry - Wazmo
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Saturday, 26-May-2007
I'm afraid I've never tried the Zen tubes, MC; I'm still pining for the original El Rey Lights, as I think the new ones are shite compared to the old ERL's. :-)
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I've recently tried the Rizla Lights...they're not half-bad at all and may be what finally steers me away from the Zig-Zag Lights I've settled on since El Rey went sideways. My only problem with the ZZLs is that the filter perfs are far too large. I tried a box of Gambler a couple weeks ago just for the heck of it (my original experience with them a couple years ago was bad) and I'm afraid my opinion of them hasn't changed much. Very little filter glue and they seemed to leave a hard-to-describe funky taste on my lips, although the filter perfs aren't quite as bad as the ZZLs.
I may include some Zens next time I order tubes to try (I haven't seen them local to me anywhere), but it looks like I might stay with the Rizla Lights.
An aside...I was on vacation the past couple weeks and visited some friends in Bowling Green. Stumbled on a place called The Tobacco Shoppe selling short cans of McClintock Light for just $5.99 and lo and behold, covered in dust on a back shelf was two cans of McClintock Virgina, which I nabbed immediately. :-) Incredibly the 'baccy was still fairly moist.
- Re: Tube Enquiry - Wazmo
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 26-May-2007
oh yes, I am a FF user, and you a light smoker.
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The Zen tubes are not as wide as probably Zig-Zag and Rizla, etc....but I've never heard you complain about nozzle problems....
maybe try the Zens's just for scientific purposes and experience, before they cut funding!!
If I have my way, they'll be coming to a Daughters and Ryan soon.
ps-I only grabbed "Gambler" tubes to enjoy defeating their small diameter with my trusty scissors....they knew better...didn't have a one give me trouble fitting
- Tubes
- Posted by platoslostdialogue on Tuesday, 20-Mar-2007
What's your favorite tube?
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Tuesday, 20-Mar-2007
Gizeh charbon
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Mike T. on Tuesday, 20-Mar-2007
I use Bugler tubes, at first I war reluctant to try them, but they are damn good. I also have a box of Gizeh Silver Tip Menthol tubes; out of all the menthol tubes I have tried I found this to be the best. If you are looking to buy tubes STAY AWAY FROM PREMIER! I figured that since they make good machines how bad could their tubes be? I will never forget the taste of a Premier tube. If smoking a thick paper bag saturated in glue, with a hint of tobacco sounds good to you then pick up a box. Otherwise avoid these things like the plague
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 20-Mar-2007
I couldn't agree with you more about the Premiers! Most tubes are pretty good, some better than others. I find that most tubes that taste good (as in have no taste) are well made. My main tube is the Rizla Deluxe. I'd rate the tubes that I can remember i've tried this way.
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Rizla Deluxe A
Zig Zag A
Rizla Cigarette Size A
Bugler B+
Top B+
Gizeh B
Mascotte B
El Ray C
Silver Tip C-
McClintock C-
Vera Cruz C-
(only because of the cool factor, they aren't particularly well made and are a little heavy, only worth the price if you want a colored tube)
3 Daggers D+
61 D
Zen D
Premier F-
(you're better off just going out and buying a pack of smokes)
Just my opinion. Naturally there are times when tube company's have problems. For instance there was a period a short while back when Zig Zag went through some kind of mystery period and their tubes became crap for several months, but over all I think most people would pretty much agree with me in general.
- Re: Tubes
- Posted by mike p on Sunday, 25-Mar-2007
ive been using premier tubes for sometime and like them very much i must disagree with you about them being thick and full of glue they seem to be lighter than zig zag zen or gambler and even top i guess to each his own
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 27-Mar-2007
Mike,
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You are an Alien, please go to your nearest Federal Office and register. :)
To each their own.
If that's what you like, then that's what you like, but I think they are enough to make an onion cry. :)
Dano
- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 29-Mar-2007
Ya know, Premier tubes have been around forever so obviously somebody likes them, although I suspect it's the crowd that is devoted to the absolutely cheapest route out of store bought cigs.
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I look at it like this, I wouldn't get a Pizza from Domino's when there are Italians making the real thing in my neighborhood :)
I guess my point is, if you're a newbie to this, don't buy a bunch of Premier tubes to start before you find out if you like them or not.
- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Ralph on Thursday, 29-Mar-2007
A $2 investment for 200 tubes is risky business.
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2007
How about the newbie that figures, what the hell, i'll order 5 or 10 cartons of Premier tubes to start along with what ever tobacco, to hold me off for a month or so.
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Not only will they have blown $10 or $20 bucks (no big deal) but they'll have 10 cartons taking up space, and guilt when they finally decide, to throw them out :)
You know what i'm talking about. You buy something, find out it's crap, have it taking up space for a year, finally throw it out and realize you could have bought a couple of case's of good beer... IF I Hand Only Known :)
- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2007
You're posting to the wrong guy. I'm so cheap my shoes squeak (or something to that effect). I'll use whatever supplies I buy. I hear what you are saying and it is best to explore the tobacco shops both online and brick and mortar before you start buying stuff en masse.
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Ralph on Thursday, 29-Mar-2007
I agree with you Mike. Supermatic are pretty good tubes and my biggest gripe with them was quality control as some batches didn't seem to go on the nozzle smoothly. Both El Rey's and Supermatic are much better than zig zags and there is no way you can justify the price differential on top of that. I suspect gambler tubes are made of recycled newspaper.
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- Re: Tubes
- Posted by Kizer Sosa on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2007
Mascotte is the best I've tried so far (and I've tried most of 'em).
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The big "M" on them is a bit of an added bonus. My last name begins with M, so when someone sees the M on the tube and asks what brand I'm smoking, I have a little fun and tell them I had my own signature line created. ;)
- "Tube Tricks" Rizla + Cig Size
- Posted by michael c on Monday, 30-Apr-2007
they say necessity is the mother of invention and in my case it is
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I had reported before that I was able to use and successfully make Rizla Cig size with a stock machine.
I just made that better.
I discovered that using a simple pair of mustache scissors, I found the perfect key.
Unfortunately I have no clue how many shapes and sizes these come in, so I will try it like this-
this pair measures 4-5/8" from very end of fingerloops to scissor-tip. Previously I had been able to expand the mouth of the tubes using certain ballpoint pens.....with the scissors, it works SO EASILY and CAREFREE, it is amazing.
you just pop the tip of the scissors into the tube (with the scissors closed)(no need to open or expand them) and let the tube travel up to just past the factory screw that holds the two halves together....you simply roatate the tube a few revolutions which is easy as pie and smooth as silk to do, and VOILA.....PERFECTION......the tube will EASILY fit perfectly onto Ultimatic or Supermatic, or Topomatic, etc......I simply set my machine back to "king-size" setting and they couldn't come off more perfectly.....mine has NO NEED for any spoon adjustment, a tap, or 2, and flawless.
If anybody tries this and can't find my dimension of scissors, etc.....if you just use the brain god gave you I am sure there are other good ways to widen the opening of the tube....but this method is surely UNBEATABLE
just thought I'd share, somebody might care PS-oh yes, you may still need to use a pen to make the opening perfectly round again, but I assure this process is EASY, once learned
- Re: "Tube Tricks" Rizla + Cig Size
- Posted by michael c on Monday, 30-Apr-2007
nevermind
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a pen is not needed
and this is a solution to ANYONE who bought lame tubes that are too tight
I should get a royalty
- Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by GratefulGuy on Friday, 20-Apr-2007
First of all I have been lurking for sometime digesting this great resource available here. Thank you all for your feedback and recommendations. It's great to know such a great resource as this exists.
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Now, I have been involved in SYO scene for going on a year now but have been limited to only what the local tobacco store has to offer (ZigZag, Top, Bugler, etc.).
Now my biggest complaint regarding SYO your own has been the lack of available light tubes in the area, especially those without perforations. Thus far the only light tube I have been able to find without the perforations are the ZigZag Light 100's.
I usually do not smoke 100's and am really looking for a good light tube without perforations on the filter and preferably a cork tip vs. white.
Can anyone provide any insight or recommendations on which might fit this bill?
Mail order is not an issue for me as I have recently discovered the joys of Mark & Co. over at D&R. I'm totally in love.
Thanks in advance!
- Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by Dave L on Friday, 20-Apr-2007
You and (what the heck is a) cheap & chippy chopper prompted me to post Light Tubes.
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- OT - Re: the name... was Greetings and a quic
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Wednesday, 25-Apr-2007
the person who should have answered your question is 'short sharp shock.' :-) He (and my fondness for the lil' Gizeh GTP) inspired my handle.
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"Ohhhh,
To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dark dock
In a pestilential prison with a lifelong lock
And awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock
From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block!"
It's a bit of a "patter trio" in The Mikado, a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta.
Too bad you can't hear me singing along. ~;-O
- Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by Denny on Friday, 20-Apr-2007
You might want to try EL REY Lights. I personally think they have a neutral taste, are not perforated, and are cork tipped. You should be able to buy at your local tobacco shop,if not there are many on line shops that carry them. You might want to try D&R tobacco, as they have some of the best deals.
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- Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by GratefulGuy on Saturday, 21-Apr-2007
Thank you for the suggestion. I have been eying the El Rey tubes quite a bit but read somewhere on here the quality of the tube has declined quite a bit. None of my local shops carry these tube but that's to be expected since I am located in Iowa (smaller market I suppose). However I bit the bullet and ordered a box with my tobacco order from D&R.
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Thanks again, it is much appreciated. Also... thanks for the Light Tubes section, very informative.
- Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Saturday, 21-Apr-2007
You're going to find that tube are probably just as subjective a subject as the tobacco that goes into 'em. You're likely gonna find that certain tubes seem to "suit" certain tobaccos more than others. (Some will helpfully tell you if you pay attention...the Ramback tubes, which I tried with almost every tobacco but Ramback at first, really makes the Ramback tobacco shine.) You're also gonna find that certain tubes are rubbish no matter what.
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El Rey Lights used to be, to me, the cream of the crop--but I can't use them any more...at least not with any of the tobaccos I currently smoke. By all means, give 'em a try; there really aren't any wrong answers to the "what tube?" questio with a few exceptions...you just gotta check 'em out.
Being a huge and long-time fan of Rizla papers, I'm anxiously awaiting an order of Rizla Light tubes to try.
- Re: Greetings and a quck question :-)
- Posted by Dave L on Saturday, 21-Apr-2007
Since the Rizla and El Rey (as well as Premier, Rayo and Escort) lights are being made in Canada by Imperial/RBA, I'm wondering if there is any difference between them... lets see what RBA has to say (email sent).
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- Re: RBA tubes
- Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 03-May-2007
It took two tries and my question about any differences between Canadian made RBA tubes went unanswered. I have to assume that it doesn't matter which RBA brand you buy, that the only differences are visual.
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All but the cig size (which will continue to be made in the EU) tubes are now being made in Canada and have 15mm filters. The lights all have porous paper (no filter perforations).
- Tubes in general
- Posted by my best intention on Thursday, 22-Mar-2007
I have been experimenting with my four types of tubes here, and have noticed this:
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per crank-machine use: as stated before, Rizla + De Luxe shouldn't be any problem fitting on machines....I also discover that in my own experience these tubes do deliver a nice neutral medium for the tobacco....however, I notice that even with my expert packing the corners of the machine, it is a challenge to make one come out TOTALLY flush with the paper tip....but the gap is nothing, ignition paper to me.........(after just a few taps).....as far a Ramback Prestige, these come out wonderful despite a 20mm filter!! hmmm...just a couple taps and perfect.......with my favored Zen 17mm I get overhang, which requires more taps although I am excessive about it........NOW, one thing that returned to me is that you can get a plastic (clear) regulation BIC pen, and sandpaper the tip area until it will fit in your tube of choice NICE and tight....it will put ridges, but these matter not.....most of the time the simple crease/fold method is fine, but if you care to really get as close to fixed as possible this is great......and finally, if you're willing to hassle a bit, you can make Rizla cigarette size go on your machine by using the pen. and if this doesn't quite get it you can insert scissors, and expand them within and carefully rotate to widen the tip.....if it doesn't go on 110%, worry not, it doesn't need to......now this is a hassle, but somebody may care........and finally,I just cant see breaking away from the "new" Zen tubes, as the taste seems neutral enough, stuff incredibly, hold up like a rock, and importantly to me, they don't get soggy/squishy as you get close down to the but.......that's it, and I look forward to trying tubes recommended here that I've not had the pleasure yet.
- Re: Tubes in general/more
- Posted by my best intention on Thursday, 22-Mar-2007
as we've seen "cropping up" here, the general good standing of Bugler tubes. I have an unopened box, and needed not experiment with them......they ARE GOOD TUBES!!!!! that simple....butts hold up, stuff perfect with a couple taps, etc
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bye now***
- West Cigarette tubes
- Posted by Nate V. on Thursday, 08-Mar-2007
Is anyone familiar with West tubes? I found a shop locally that sold them a year or so ago. Unfortunately, I bought him out and he never did reorder any, and has since closed. I found the West tubes to be the best I've ever used with my Excel machine. Not only did they work well with the Excel, they didn't over power my McClintock Light tobacco like other tubes can.
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If anyone knows a site online selling West tubes I'd appreciate a link.
TY!
- Re: West Cigarette tubes
- Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 08-Mar-2007
I've never heard of that brand. Nor have I seen them on any internet site. I did a google search and couldn't find anything either.
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Sorry mate, no idea where to find them.
sj
- What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Keith on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2007
I'm trying to find a light tube that I like. I've tried the Premier Light tubes (because they're available locally) and they don't seem very light to me. I like the Two Timer tobacco from D&R but find it just a tad too strong for me, and I was thinking that with a light tube, it might make it a little milder.
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by JerzyJoe on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2007
You might want to try D&R's rampack prestige or rampack elite tubes. the rampack prestige tube has a 20mm filter and the elite has a 20 high density filer.
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2007
I always thought Zig-Zag light tubes were about as light as you can get. being that they have air holes around the filter.
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you might try using your tobacco at a higher humidity. that will make it a little smoother lighter.
- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2007
Oops! Forgot to say that I use Rave Light tubes now. Seem to be a good tube.
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They are made by St. Vincent. Basically the same as Zen Light tubes. With 17mm filter element
- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2007
I agree. They are about the lightest of the light tubes around and actually impart very little negative artifacts to a smoke. They do, however, impart negative artifacts to your fingers (tar stains) due to all them thar holes! :-)
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Keith on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2007
I noticed that it does make the smoke smoother when the tobacco is more moist, but it doesn't stuff as well for me. I'll give the Rambacks from D&R a try.
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Chas on Wednesday, 07-Feb-2007
Mascotte Light = Excellent
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Ralph on Friday, 23-Mar-2007
I was a premeire light man myself. I've switched over El Rey lights. Excellent tubes.
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by cheap & chippy chopper on Thursday, 12-Apr-2007
Gambler lights are really well-made, and deliver the smoke dispersion that "light" implies. You can see it flying out of the filter perforations.
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for an all-white, elegant looking cig, they also have little of the chlorine smell compared to other white ones -- it's still there, but mighty faint.
:-)
- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Thursday, 12-Apr-2007
I don't like the tubes with the perforations. I don't like any fresh air mixed in with my smoke. I don't use light tubes very often but when I do I use the Premier lights or the Rizla blue with the double filter. I think the Premier just has a denser filter and the Rizla has two filters and microperforations in the tube. I stuff just about everything in Gizeh Charbon tubes, they won't make a full flavor tobacco light but will remove most of the harshness.
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Whips on Friday, 13-Apr-2007
The microperferations (which most light tubes use) are also allowing fresh air in with the smoke....
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- Re: What light tubes are you using?
- Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Friday, 13-Apr-2007
That's true but it's not as noticable as the gaping holes cut around the circumference of the filter, and as you smoke the stick it becomes even less noticable. I tend to keep drawing on those because I feel like if I don't it will go out.
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- Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by Keith on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
Anybody else have problems using the Gambler FF tubes on their supermatic? I had a box that I was using with a Zig-Zag hand held machine and they worked perfect. When I got my Supermatic, I had trouble using the Gambler tubes. They were hard to put on and maybe one out of ten wouldn't go on at all. The Premier tubes that came with the machine work perfectly, but I don't care so much for them.
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- Re: Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
Gambler tubes are all I use with no problems. When I tried Premier tubes I did notice that they were quite a bit larger in diameter.
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I buy the Gambler tubes because they are available locally and cheap. I also like the smaller diameter as opposed to the loose fitting Premier tubes, not to mention that I didn't think the Premier tubes were as high in quality/taste.
To each his own.
- Re: Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by mike c on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
>To each his own.
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how true....especially in this tobacconist experience
I have never seen a Gambler tube...but I am thinking there may be some nozzle diameter variences going on....one nozzle on one of my (expletive) machines is larger than the nozzle on the other (expletive) one.
I have never, however, yet encounterd a tube I could not apply.
- Re: Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by Dave Grant on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
I have noticed that the Gambler tubes seem to vary a bit in diameter. I'll get one box, and they'll slide on my SM easily, and the next one will be tight, and a few (out of that box) won't go on at all. Seems to be a consistency problem. Now I never have a problem with Premier or Zen (but I do not like the Zen tubes). There are a couple of others where I seem to see a variation in diameter, but the names escape me at the moment.
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- Re: Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by Jim G on Sunday, 21-Jan-2007
I noticed the same thing with Gambler FF tubes and my Topomatic. The slightly "tighter" tubes had difficulty sliding onto the brass nozzle. To ease the tube installation, I polished the nozzle to a bright sheen with my Dremel and some polishing compound. I didn't reduce the nozzle's diameter...only polished it to make it smoother. The tubes now slide on easily with no waste and the machine's "custom" look is quite attractive.
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- Re: Gambler tubes and Supermatic
- Posted by Smoking n Jokin on Friday, 13-Apr-2007
Yes I have the same problem with Gambler and Top. I had so many of them that wouldn't fit on my supermatic II that I bought a Rizla cigarette size hand stuffer to use them with so I didn't have to throw them away.
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- What kind of paper?
- Posted by Scott Johnson on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
I'm just curious as to what kind of paper that tubes are made of? I know that rolling papers come in various materials: flax, rice, hemp, etc.
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- Re: What kind of paper?
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
I've been under the impression cigarette paper is made out of rice, and hemp hand rolling papers are available. It's my understanding that because of the thinness required these two are all that is available. Not to mention taste from wood, bleach, etc. I have in the past used Zig Zag, and Gambler tubes, and I'm currently using Zig Zag. Mike
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- Re: What kind of paper?
- Posted by psychedelic killer on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2007
cellulose
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mc
- use of spare rolling papers
- Posted by mike c (almost finished posting) on Thursday, 30-Nov-2006
I just recalled my trick....I wasn't sure where to place this post,,,
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I just messed up a tube (which I almost never do), but it occured to me if this happens to you,,,you can save the filter...
my ballpoint pen that I have here is not even one uniform size, and it still worked....I take the filter out of the tube, lay it in a rolling paper (any of the accumulated ones), and leave just a little extra paper going past the filter for "lock in", place the pen right up against the filter and roll the whole thing together tightly (not too tight)...the larger size of the filter helps lock it in. then carefully put it on a handheld and slowly inject it until the paper is full being careful not to push the filter out... the smoke won't be as long as normal but you end up with a pretty darn perfect filtered smoke.
- Tube Size vs Premade Size
- Posted by short sharp shock on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2006
Would someone be kind enough to inform me why MYO tubes have always been larger diameter than those of factory pre-mades???!!!
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thanks
mc
- Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Warren on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2006
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It appers that regular filters release quite a bit of non-biodegradable fibers and particles, which lodge in the lungs and stay there for the rest of your life, impairing lung capacity and potentially presenting a seed for cancer (like any permanent fibers will, such as glass/plastic from insulation etc). The regular tobacco particles and tar are biodegradable, hence don't linger in the lungs.Except for few early years of smoking (I started at the end of college, at 22), I smoked filtered tubes. Then, realizing that filters don't cut down tar without cutting down _proportionately_ the nicotine (and other good alkaloids), with the net result that for any given quantity of the good stuff the filtered cigarettes give you more carbon monoxide, I switched to non-filtered and remained that way ever since.
=== News article (New Scientist, UK; Warning: anti-tobacco spin) === [link] ===>
[sniped article quoted in full]
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- Re: Filter fall-out
- Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2006
Filter fall-out is an added potential health issue that I was not aware of (even though it first got written up in 1957). The source of the New Scientist article (from 2002) is here.
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Tobacco particulates (tar) most definitely do linger in the lungs (viewable in a chest x-ray). Any filter fall-out that manages to make it into the lungs is like a tic in a sea of tar (microscope required). The only way to get less carbon monoxide is to dilute the smoke with fresh air (perforated lights).
- Re: Filter fall-out
- Posted by Warren on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2006
> Filter fall-out is an added potential health issue
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> that I was not aware of (even though it first got
> written up in 1957).
I didn't know about it until couple years ago, when I read about it in some news article. But I stopped smoking filtered cigarettes (other than occasionally) since college, couple decades ago. That was based on calculating ratio: R = Nicotine / (CarbonMonoxide * Tar) for all brands available. Players Navy Cut came on top (English Ovals came second). The top spots were all non-filtered. Later, when Natural American Spirit came along, their non-filtered took the top spot, so I switched.
In the meantime, I learned about the 'free nicotine' ( [link] ), in which again the NAS seem to be on top (although I don't have data on most brands). From the tobacco companies documents (which I found on the web a while ago), the upshot is that you want tobacco to be as alkaline as possible, for the most efficient/clean delivery of tobacco alkaloids (nicotine is just the best known one). That in turn implies that one wants to maximize the Burley content.
> Tobacco particulates (tar) most definitely do
> linger in the lungs (viewable in a chest x-ray).
I am afraid you have fallen for the anti-smoker propaganda on this item. The smoke particulates are oxidated tobacco leaf cells (the same basic material as your cells, including lung cells). They are invisible on x-rays against your lung cells (they're the same material). They are also fully biodegradable, just as a chunk of roasted meat or an apple are.
Among various vapors and smokes we inhale every day, the smoke of tobacco plant, which was bred and selected over millenia for the medicinal properties of its smoke, is the most benevolent one of them all. The regular cell metabolism in lungs disolves tobacco smoke particulates (and expels the slower disolvable ones) even faster than your intestina & liver do with food nutrients. The quantity of smoke particulates processed by lungs is also vastly smaller than the quantity of food we pass through every day. As with foods, you're better off using organically grown, additive free brands.
The so-called x-ray's and autopsy photos of "smoker's lungs" peddled to school kids and in mass media are a shameless fraud (usually miner's or smelting plant worker's lungs: [link] ). A lung surgeon cannot distinguish, visually or on x-rays, the lungs of smoker and non-smoker (see: [link] ). Next time you get x-rays, sneak a cigarette into the shot, you won't see a trace of it on the x-ray photo against your soft tissues (smoke is the same as tobacco leaf cells + oxygen from air, thus the same as your regular lung cells + air, none of which is visible on x-rays against your soft tissues).
> Any filter fall-out that manages to make it into
> the lungs is like a tic in a sea of tar
> (microscope required).
They are small but the lung cells can't disolve them. If they don't get caughed out, they remain there for the rest of your life. Just from my experience, I find non-filtered smoke more pleasant, less caugh inducing than filtered on the same tobacco.
> The only way to get less carbon monoxide is to
> dilute the smoke with fresh air (perforated lights).
Dilution from the perforation doesn't affect the smoke content released from the burning area (which is away from the perforations), thus the smoke proper has unchanged CO (carbon monoxide) proportion to nicotine & tar. The extra air you mix downstream from the perforations air is no different than taking a small puff of smoke and a long tail end inhale of regular air. Since you will dose to get certain amount of nicotine, you end up smoking more filtered/light cigarettes per unit of nicotine.
The CO content is affected by the amount of oxygen present at the location of burning. This in turn depends on the air flow through the burning tobacco itself. Hence the least proportion of CO to tar & nicotine is obtained from wider, less packed, non-filtered cigarettes. Perforations in the tube downstream only decrease the air-flow over the burning leaf, thus increase the CO proportion in the smoke proper (which is what a smoker would dose on).
Note that tobacco, being a medicinal plant going back millenia, has additional protective effects against burning byproducts (to which the biological organisms have been exposed over hundreds of millions of years, thus already have already evolved fairly good protection against), especially in present-day poluted world, pesticide laden food, mercury in fish and in "silver" dental amalgams (which are 50% mercury), lead, aluminum.... Among others, the tobacco smoke stimulates the natural glutathione production (which our cells already produce to detox themselves from oxidants), which is a powerful and unique antioxodiant, especially effective for removing metals (mercury, lead, aluminum) and various pesticides. See few usenet posts (I post as "nightlight" there) with more on this:
Protective effects of tobacco smoke for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, mercury: [link]
Glutathione mechanism: [link]
Epidemiology (10 times lower Alzheimer's among smokers in families): [link]
It is true that smoking does _correlate_ statistically with various diseases and few years shorter lifespans (0.5-5 years, depending on country). This is true especially in recent years, with heavy handed social engineering distorting drastically the sample of smokers.
But even before the anti-smoking witch hunt of recent decades, the tobacco smoking would be expected to correlate with ailments and exposures for which tobacco smoke is therapetic or protective (stress, toxic metals & industrial toxin exposure, etc, [link] ). In other words, at least some smokers were self-medicating even in the past. With present social pressures against smoking, those who smoked for pure mild pleasure have quit, and the proportion of those self-medicating has increased.
Hence, the smoking has become a marker for the ailments & exposures for which smoke is most therapetuc & protective, just like feeding tube & ventilator are a statistical marker for people with spinal injury. While the feeding tubes will correlate with shorter life-spans and spinal injuries, compared to general population, that doesn't mean feeding tubes cause spinal injuries.
Much of the recent anti-smoking "science" is based on precisely such kind of statistical sleight of hand. As pointed out in the "Epidemiology" post above, when you match all other factors & toxic exposures among the subjects compared, and vary _only_ smoking/non-smoking parameter, the tobacco smoke is the most potective & therapeutic against precisely those problems for which the anti-smoking propaganda claims it to be the most harmful (based on statistical correlation).
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2006
Actually reading the article, there isn't much in the way of empirical evidence to support the claims that these "particles" do any harm. Their findings are peppered with qualifiers like "resists", "finds it difficult to break down", etc. Nowhere does it say they do *not* break down or are *not expelled* in any manner. But that would have damaged their spin on the subject, eh?
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I wonder how these alleged "particles" compare to the particulates that float around in plain old ordinary "fresh" air...soot, exhaust, dirt and dust, molds, spores, etc.
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Warren on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2006
> there isn't much in the way of empirical evidence
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> to support the claims that these "particles" do any harm.
My take on possible harm is that it is an open question. As a rule, though, I consider anything that doesn't get eliminated or can't be metabolized as harmful until shown otherwise. It's like with computer programs -- if something installs on your computer which can't be uninstalled easily, it's bad news, a malware or a virus.
The plain smoke of tobacco leaf, or any dried leaf, is an organic material containing the same stuff that all cells contain and to which lifeforms on earth have been exposed to for hundreds of millions of years. Hence there are well evolved elimination and protection mechanism in all air-breathing organisms for chemicals that a pinch of burning crushed leaves puts out. If there is any difference regarding tobacco, the tobacco plant having been cultivated over millenia for precisely its smoke, would be even more benevolent than other types of smokes or vapors we're all exposed to every day.
As to other materials, especially synthetic ones, to which there were no long history of exposure of biological organisms, I would rather not play a guinea pig. Plain old tobacco smoke has thousands of years of tradition of safe and medicinal use, while filters have been around only decades (when most alleged harm from smoking has surfaced).
Also, to my taste, the non-filtered cigarettes are just more pleasant to smoke, less of extraneous smells. I do use long cigarette holders, 4-6 inches long, to cool the smoke (they also look cool).
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2006
I don't entirely disagree...my point was that the study and their claims were quite nebulous and vague--I'm sure by design.
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There is no question in my mind that tobacco usage leads to certain health problems, filtered or non-filtered...it's a risk we all take for doing something we enjoy. Exactly what health problems and how they manifest themselves certainly varies by person and situation; and there is a chance that a few particles of filter material may occasionally find their way into the lungs. Again, a risk filtered smokers are apparently willing to take.
I've been smoking filterd sticks for 35 years and while my chest x-rays will confirm I've been a long-time smoker, they so far do not indicate cancer, peculiar materials building up inside, etc. The crux of the biscuit is, I just need more than qualifiers before I go along with any study regarding anything, especially whehn the purpose of the studies is to provide a basis for Nannyism by the government. :-)
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Kerry on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2006
I am not taking sides on this issue, although it is something I am interested in, given that I smoke.
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I just want to say one thing that I don't "think" has been mentioned per se.
Follow the money! It is not always easy to find out, but "WHO" sponsored, funded, or otherwise commissioned the "study", "report", etc. will often tell you more about the results than the results of the "study", "report", etc. than those items themselves.
Follow the money!
Follow the money!
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Warren on Thursday, 19-Oct-2006
Even without looking at the funding, just reading the intro to the paper ( [link] ; thanks Dave for tracking it down), it is more than ovious that it's the usual anti-smoking con job. They were clearly after tobacco companies, especially Philip Morris, the paper reads as a court testimony aiming to prove that PM knew for years about the harm from fibers and hid it from the public. I didn't care about that scheming aspect or PM who are the backstabbing, treacherous jerks anyway (look up on Master Settlement Agreement swindle, [link] ), well deserving of this treatment. For me it was more interesting to see what kind of fibers and how much is being emitted by the filters, for which they cited tobacco comanies' data & research. It all sort of confirmed my instincts and choice made years earlier to stick with the older, more traditional ways and smoke the non-filtered. In any case, I think lots of smokers will be surprised with this bit of info about the cigarette filters.
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As to the funding which is stated at the end of the paper, it lists a grant from "Robert Wood Johnson Foundation" i.e. the Big Pharma bucks (Johnson & Johnson, see [link] ) and the few crumbs from the billions they extorted from smokers for nicotine patches & gums. Each 21mg patch sells around here for about $5, it costs them probably $0.05 to make. The few cents from the remaining $4.95 goes to buy anti-smoking "studies", create and fund "grass roots" anti-smoking and "health" organizations (American Cancer Society and similar Big Pharma disease & mass hysteria mongering fronts), pay off goverenment bureaucracies (FDA, CDC, NIH...), politicians and "news" media, then buy laws at every level restricting smoking even more, which in turn pushes smokers to buy even more of their nicotine patches & gums in order to work or to just get around the town for few hours.
- Re: Non-filtered tubes healthier than filtered
- Posted by Stuffer John on Monday, 27-Aug-2007
Yeah, I thought when the whole thing started out, that it smacked of a damned Spanish Inquisition. We definitely got the Wood from Robert's "Johnson" on that one. Who's paying for all those settlements? The cash register tolls for thee.....
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I just know that my new syo's taste better than anything I've ever bought and I'm just starting out. Who knows what the hell they put in the various brands that I smoked? I feel better too! I don't cough as much (Premier Light tubes, Rave Light baccy). I'm sure I've lots to learn......