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Posted by Dave L on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2006

How about a top level HowTo category?... With possible topics being Getting Started, Videos, etc.

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Posted by Warren on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2006

Something that helps _complete_ novices get oriented, such as basic few setups a,b,c, with brief pro/con/$$ for each, and what equipment and expandible supplies they would need in each path. I know we don't cover rolling in here, but for completeness (I think most of us have rolling option as a backup) at least they could be sent off to some RYO mag articles on rolling. Links to videos would then flesh out the story.

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Posted by Dave L on Sunday, 31-Dec-2006

If you write it ('submit a topic' on the bottom of most category pages) I'll find a home for it :).

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Posted by Warren on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

I would love to write it when I get a bit of time, although I am not sure my English is good enough (it is chronologically my fifth language, learned when I was almost twenty, after Serbo-Croatian, Italian, Russian & Latin). It might work perhaps after some editing of a draft by a native speaker.

NOTE: A strange thing has been happening lately whenever I add a reply to the posts -- the "Subject" field is always initialized to "Re: Nicotine reduction" and I have to edit it manually to match the thread I am replying to.

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Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

Quote "NOTE: A strange thing has been happening lately whenever I add a reply to the posts -- the "Subject" field is always initialized to "Re: Nicotine reduction" and I have to edit it manually to match the thread I am replying to."

This could be due to "form auto-complete" in Internet explorer. I use Opera and when I reply those fields are highlighted. If i hit the auto-complete icon, it dumps "Excel modification" into the subject field. You might have to remove the cookies for this website and/or turn off auto-complete.

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Re: Getting Started section: Posted by Warren on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007
> This could be due to "form auto-complete" in
> Internet explorer.

Although I use Mozilla, that tip was helpful. I looked with the packet grabber the http exchange and the site never sent the wrong Subject field. It was the browser filling the wrong stuff in. So I turned off the form autofill feature and that fixed the problem. Thanks.
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Posted by Dave L on Tuesday, 02-Jan-2007

There's a reason there's a spell checker (for me :). If there was something that would help with my grammar, that would be here as well. I wouldn't have guessed that English wasn't your first language. Unlike some English as a first language folks, I don't have to work at understanding what you are saying.

With the forums my policy is to only shorten ([snipped]) or delete posts and its pretty rare that I do either. I'm not sure what's going to happen with topic posts (basic editing is almost ready) but I'm reserving the right to be a bit more hands on with those.

"Re: Nicotine reduction" is probably the first time you used a password on this site (when I first tried implementing them about six months ago). I though it was a clever setup but it sounds like some browsers (not my Firefox or Konqueror) are saving Subject with Password. Can you 'view/delete saved passwords'? It may be inconvenient but if you have an option of clearing private data (including passwords) you could do that and then 'preview' a post with just Name and Password filled in.

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Re: Getting Started section: Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2007
well Dave already said it...if nobody did I was going to
Warren your amazing...I was amazed at my German friend's grasp of American slang, ...anyway,,,your English is perfect, beyond most American's, etc
"if you write it, they will come"
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Post number

Posted by Warren on Saturday, 16-Dec-2006

It would be convenient if the posts would display the post number, so one could easily create URL for an external link to the post without having to look at the html source of the page. The easiest for use (via copy & paste) would be the hyperlink to the top line of the post, but even just a visible ASCII post number would be fine.

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Posted by scott johnson on Saturday, 16-Dec-2006

hmmm. can't you just use the web address?

[link]

will that work?

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Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 16-Dec-2006

It works, but lets say you haven't read this forum in a while and you want to read every message posted since your last visit?

Even if you open a new window or tab for each entry on the What's New page, you will be reloading the same material over and over again. As I said in another post, this isn't a problem for broadband users, but for dial-up users it is.

Caching doesn't help as each time a new message is referenced via the What's New page still has to reload all the data from all the messages in that "forum" to get to the particular topic/title clicked on in What's New.

It gets old. I don't think I am the only one here on dial-up, but I could be wrong. Hopefully I will be able to upgrade to a computer that isn't a dinasaur and get broadband, but for now dial-up is it. I just hate having to download the same data over and over again to see a message that might have only been a little way down on the page on my last load. With all that said, I will still be here even if nothing changes.

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Posted by Dave L on Sunday, 17-Dec-2006

When your mouse is over 'reply' the last part of the URL is the post number (which you can attach to the page URL with #)... Would [reply|link|new], as in 'reply to this' and 'link to this', work?

The server delivers pages (foo.html), the browser handles the internal links (foo.html#n). It doesn't matter if the link is to foo.html#1 or foo.html#100. If the browser has a current version of foo.html in the cache, that's what it should use. I suspect that lag (and possibly other) issues are due to pages being too big.

Its not a forum script per se and without pagination things are only going to get worse. I'm only a weekend coder and while there are a lot of things I'd like to do with the script, I just don't have the time. It may be that moving the general forums to phpBB is the way to go.

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Re: Post number: Posted by Warren on Sunday, 17-Dec-2006
> When your mouse is over 'reply' the last part of the
> URL is the post number (which you can attach to the
> page URL with #)...

Yes, I found that out while discussing with Kerry. While back I linked to some posts here from other newsgroups and I picked the number out of the source, which was a drag.

> Would [reply|link|new], as in 'reply to this' and
> 'link to this', work?

That would work great. Then one can just click right button on the link, select "Copy Link Location" from the menu and the URL is on the clipboard to be pasted elsewhere.

To avoid expanding html size too much, the short relative URLs for the |link| field will be fine as well i.e. just insert #<number> e.g. <A href="#44">|link|</A> for your post and that would expand hyperlink |link| via browser into the full URL: http:// syo.dalrun.com/About/258.html#44.

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Re: Post number: Posted by Warren on Sunday, 17-Dec-2006
> hmmm. can't you just use the web address?

That gets you only to either the top of the html page containing dozens of posts, or to a specific post to which you came first via the link from the front page (hence not easy to find later, especially if it is gone from the front).

For example, how do you create a link to my previous post above, once it is gone from the front page list (or if there is a longer list of post links on the front page, all with the same titles and the same author). Or, in a longer discussion you may be reading, how do you create a link (as a reference to point a reader to) to a specific post that you see several posts above?

If there were a link/visible tag on each post, you could just copy the link from that tag as a reference, without going back to the front page, trying to locate its corresponding front page link (which may be gone already from the "What's New" list, which seems to go 1 month back).

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Using Opera with this forum

Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 16-Dec-2006

I'll have to admit, given my previous "dittos" to this format, that being able to go "directly" to a given post would be a positive change in the format. That is, some forums are rather large and I use dial-up. Having to reload 100 to 200k over and over again gets old. I guess it isn't much of a problem if you have broadband, but I am poor and can't afford it. Maybe that should be the new "standard" for "poor"? If you can afford broadband, you aren't poor or are being supported by the gov.? LOL! Just a thought...

Along with that, if possible, I would like to be able to subscribe to a list by which I would receive a copy of each post via email. Some sites have the capability of having "replies only" forwarded via email, but I like having the capability of getting ALL message via email. I do this for the users of my own web forum.

Just a thought. I also know how hard it can be to implement and manage such an arrangement.

Thanks for the site and consideration Dave.

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Re: Post number: Posted by mike c on Saturday, 16-Dec-2006
Kerry....need supermatic upkeep lessons at some point...
I like my cheap slow dial up!!!! but I wouldn't mind getting better TV reception so I could watch, like maybe a channel might be nice lol!!
mike c

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Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 07-Dec-2006

I use the Opera web browser almost exclusively and have noticed that with this forum I have to do manual refreshes (ctrl + F5) to get new posts to show. Just wanted to share this in case anyone else finds that they aren't seeing all the posts.

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Re: Using Opera with this forum

Posted by Dave L on Thursday, 07-Dec-2006

Same thing goes for at least one version of Explorer. My browsers of choice (Konqueror and Firefox) work fine so I wasn't motivated to look into it until now.

Apparently not all browsers are validating their caches against page last-modified dates. I've hopefully set things up to force browsers to validate (and only reload the page if its newer than the browsers cached page). Let me know if it does/doesn't fix things.

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Re: Using Opera with this forum

Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 07-Dec-2006

Dave, everything works great with my I.E. 7 and Firefox. Mike

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Re: Using Opera with this forum: Posted by scott johnson on Thursday, 07-Dec-2006
seems to be better today.
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Re: Using Opera with this forum

Posted by mike c on Friday, 08-Dec-2006

Scott, I know nothing about computers, my first was a MAC, and nobody else/few had these and I didn't learn ****....anyway, I can often not see new posts, and then when they do show up, I can sometime not access them for an hour.
my refresh button will probabaly be the first to break lol!

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Re: Using Opera with this forum: Posted by scott johnson on Friday, 08-Dec-2006
usually holding the ctrl button while clicking refresh will show the new posts. it forces the page to reload and not be loaded from the hard drive.
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Just another THANX

Posted by FrankJKBN on Monday, 13-Nov-2006

Nice to get some info about various tobaccos.

I'm surprised so many "dry out" fresh tobacco before use. I have seen some that does require a little, but Bugler?

Thanx again to all who have made qualitative comments and to Dave for mantining site

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Re: Just another THANX

Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Monday, 13-Nov-2006

I've never had to dry out Bugler--but then I've only used it once and it was pretty dry as it was; but fresh tobacco doesn't become "stale" by drying it out properly to accomodate inhection machines.

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Re: Just another THANX: Posted by Wazno Mariz on Monday, 13-Nov-2006
Is that a real injection machine or a Sears inhection machine?
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Suggestion for Forum Format

Posted by JeepBoyNY on Thursday, 02-Nov-2006

This is a great forum and I've learned quite a bit of stuff here, but in my opinion, it is VERY HARD to navigate thru. I would like to suggest putting the forum on php based software such as Vbulletin or something similar. It seems like that is what most forums are set up like these days, and to me, and probably most everyone else they are very easy to navigate thru, and easy to search as well for information that's already posted. By the looks, it's $160 to buy it, and you get free updates for a year and can continue to use it indefinitely. What's everyone else think? I wouldn't mind bucking up a few ponies for a membership or something if that would help on improvements :) Smoke on!!!

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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by Matt on Friday, 03-Nov-2006
If you want to try "hard to navigate" go to D&R's page. I'd love to see it changed & from their point of view it would seem there are too many opportunities for second thoughts from the customer. If you want to remove something from your cart you have to put 0 in the quantity field and it won't recalculate without that item appearing with a 0. If you want it gone from your cart completely you have to start all over again.
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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 03-Nov-2006
I'm afraid I don't agree about the hard to navigate statement. The links and subnav links to the left couldn't be clearer, and you've got a breadcrumb trail at the top. Even the subsections are laid out logically and consistently. Granted, there is a wealth of information to go through here, which is why, after you've got a semi-good feel for the place, the "What's New" link is invaluable. It's the first thing I click on here....
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Posted by NJDrew on Friday, 03-Nov-2006

I also don't think its hard to navigate, but I do think that a Vbulletin setup would look nicer and attract more people to the site.

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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by scott johnson on Friday, 03-Nov-2006
I see nothing wrong with this forum. It works for me.
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Posted by Warren on Friday, 03-Nov-2006

You can search this site using google. For example to search for burley on this site only you enter into google:

site:syo.dalrun.com burley

and it will list 35 pages on this site containing string "burley".

Otherwise, the site is quite streamlined, quicker than any of the php based discussion boards, including vbulletin. The organization is logical and clean, navigation simple and self-evident. I wouldn't change anything.

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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by Kerry on Friday, 03-Nov-2006
Ditto! Don't change a thing Dave!
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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by scott johnson on Saturday, 04-Nov-2006
Thanks for the search hint. I didn't know a site could be searched like that. learn something new everyday here.
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Re: Suggestion for Forum Format: Posted by Turtle on Saturday, 04-Nov-2006
I like how this site is, i visit almost everyday. Thanks for the great site y'all
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Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2006

I just busted a gut. Jeepy boy calls for a pay membership on a board where guys can't even buy a new Excel. You don't get it do you? Let me spell it out for ya. We're dirt poor and the dirt is gaining ground. Gotta love this Bush economy and guys like Jeepy Boy to keep me laughing.

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