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Re: Hand Rollers and Roller Boxes: Posted by Sandi on Thursday, 20-Oct-2022
Does anybody know of a way to modify a hand roller/injector for 100 mm tubes to fit king size tubes
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Hand Rollers and Roller Boxes: Posted by Bart on Thursday, 14-Dec-2006
I'm fairly new to RYO, but I have had excellent results using the Zig-zag 78mm hand roller with a Rayo filter. There were a few sticks with loose filters, but I fixed that when I quit using 70mm paper shifted to left in an attempt to have a 78mm stick without the right size aper.
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Posted by Ross on Monday, 13-Nov-2006

a hand roller is all I use anymore, being quicker that the injectors and cheaper than the machines. I have a bugler one made of acrylic that I use everyday, although the fabric can make it kinda hard to get the core started. my other one is the 78mm zigzag with I like a sailcloth looking fabric that works better but is alas longer than my bugler papers. I never have been able to get the filters to work, they either fall out or let so much smoke past them anyway. hope this shares some insight.

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Posted by Matt on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2006

A word of caution...Avoid Bugler's new EZ-Roll papers, they aren't any easier to roll & much thicker, they are a micrometer too long to use in most 70mm rollers without coming out lop-sided or rolled up on itself. The old book style were the best but they discontiued them. I usually roll by hand anyway and the old uncreased style allowed me to make my own folds and really get a feel of the paper.

One roller you may want to try is from D&R...[link]

It's at the ver bottom of the page under "Gizeh Metal Rolling Machine"

P.S. Don't buy the plastic one, it's garbage.

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Posted by Dan S on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2006

I bought the Gizeh GiRo Plastic Rolling Machine, it is rather crappy ,the sheet you lay the tobacco in has a big seam that makes it hard to get a smooth roll.

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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by scott johnson on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2006
I also tried the GiRo roller. piece-of-junk in my book. i'll take a regular open style roller machine any day.
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Posted by John on Thursday, 16-Nov-2006

I use a rolling machine with filters when I run out of tubes or when I'm on the road. Rolling with a filter works ok. I have a Gizeh roller but the regular hand rollers (any brand) work best for me. The Gizeh has a stiffer rolling action and makes thinner cigarettes. The machine itself is rugged but get plenty of replacement mats. They dont last long.

For me, stuffing is much faster than hand rolling. I can do a pack in 4-5 minutes stuffing with a Top-o-matic injector. 20 cigarettes with a rolling machine takes me over 20 minutes (not including the occasional bad roll). Also the tubes are cheaper compared to filters and papers. Pf course the finished cigarette is much better with the injector.

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Posted by Ross on Thursday, 16-Nov-2006

I just really dont understand how you could roll a pack in 4-5 minutes with one of those machines. do it measure the correct amount of tobacco or something like that? I've never owned one so I really don't know.

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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by John on Friday, 17-Nov-2006
With the big injectors you can overload the tobacco chamber. The cutter bar will cut off the excess. The way I do it: place a fistful of tobacco on the machine. Place a tube on the nozzle. Rake some tobacco into the chamber. Lightly tap the tobacco down (not too hard) and crank...repeat. With a little practice, anyone should be able to do a pack in 5 minutes.
This site has lots of videos on injectors, hand rollers, tobaccos etc... One video shows a Supermatic "speed test".

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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2006
I just thought I'd mention that in my research, it looks to me like some of the people who "RYO" are the most connoisseurs of all...I didn't know that...
A couple years ago, when I would run out of tubes, I would take my Bugler papers (and all the others that I amassed like so many of you) and roll them around a ball-point pen I had, and then inject them. I had a way that I would take an already used filter (my own..no-one else's) and either reduce it's size, or, I think in the case of the cigarette sized, those fit "as-is") and putting them in the tube...I used to "lock them in" by scrunching a little of the excess paper I would purposely allow to go past the butt. I recall these worked perfectly, and the filters did not come out..I wish I could remember the exact details of what I did, but I just can't recall...looking at Ebay, it looks like the British were very serious about "RYO", and Rizla offered them a lot of products
mc
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Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2006

whoops...forgot something I wanted to ask....when I would smoke unfiltered cigarettes, my fingers got stained to high heaven. What's the secret there???
also, another thing I used to do was to take an emptied butt from my own used tubes, inject a paper that was first rolled on a pen (with a hand-held), and then scotch tape the cigarette onto the butt/filter...PITA, but it sometimes worked!
mc

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Posted by platoslostdialogue on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2006

Aye, non-filtered smokes stain the your fingers right quick. I think it's because smoke seeps out of the end you're holding which wafts up to your fingers which makes them yellow. I noticed this after just one week of smoking non-filtered.

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Posted by Matt on Thursday, 30-Nov-2006

I've tried all kinds of things to remove those stains with limited success. Nail polish remover (didn't work) emory boards (what a pain). Never tried Oxy Clean but it might work. Everclear might work and I wish I'd though of it before. Your best bet from my experience is Lava soap.

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Re: hand rollers---discolored fingies??: Posted by NJDrew on Thursday, 30-Nov-2006
Yea, you need some type of cleaner that is semi abrasive. Lavasoap, gojo, Softsrub etc.

Take care with harsh chemicals as they can cause serious skin problems. I used to work at a silk screen printing shop (t-shirt printing) and the pure acetone, used to clean the screens, made my hands peel every couple of months for many years after I had left that job.
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Posted by tom on Tuesday, 15-Nov-2005

i would like to see a section on hand rollers, with pro's and con's.
information on the mechanical aspects and on the fabric. also the difference in papers and filters. also a how to and a why/when to use a hand roller.

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Posted by fedora on Thursday, 24-May-2007

I'm not a pro but will give my two cents on handrolling and how to get going.

The Gizeh roller is the best rollbox around IMHO. It has a brother in the Mascotte box. The Rizla box is nice, but not as well put together. Both work well. (There's a comment above on the "blanket" - I've had mine 5 years and only now am getting a replacement from the great folks at D&R.)

I am currently using a rollbox and can do 20 smokes in about 15 minutes. Once you get the hang of it, you get on a "roll" (sorry - had to say that).

Don't try and store your tobacco too long in the rollbox. It will dry out and leave you with harsh smokes.

"Silk cut" or the "shag" type seems to roll best, but you can use any kind of tobacco.

Unlike the MYO/SYO area - I found that having moist tobacco rolls best. Experiment with it - but dried out tends to cause problems for the person who hand rolls (my opinion/experience).

I have also, interestingly, found the Gizeh "metal" roller to be really the best hand roller for a smoothly rolled smoke. It has this interesting "lid" on the top that you flip over, for some reason this actually adds to giving you a good "roll".

I've tried the filter plugs - these are nice - but I had trouble working them right. Too tight a roll and the filter makes a very tight draw. To loose and it falls out. Maybe I didn't practice enough - but also - using the filter, you end up with a really small smoke as most rolling papers are 70mm and the filter plug takes a bit of that.

Remember you are unfiltered when handrolling and so you need to remember to watch it on strength.

These are my immediate "pointers" on getting started with handrolling.

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Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Thursday, 24-May-2007

Ahhh....hand rollers. The answer to those pesky filter voids and that annoying 1/4 inch or more of tobacco hanging out of the end of a stick. Thanks for posting. I've pretty much gone back to premades to smoke at work during the day but I'm going to try handrolling for before and after work. I have both the Gizen box and metal roller you mentioned.

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Posted by mike c on Thursday, 24-May-2007

when I was looking at the schematics for the SM, I don't think I caught a difference on the cutter/compressors of the 1 and 2 models, although something tells me from reading here there is/was one
if they are the same, getting the plastic cutter helps slam the tobacco down against the filter
Mine are coming out with a bit of overhang that simply needs a few taps with 15mm filter.
simply a joy (to me)
just a thought!

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Posted by eyeroll on Thursday, 24-May-2007

sorry...compelled to say that I am getting overhang on my machine because I use no time release, unless occasionally setting to kings for Cig size,
If you got a plastic cutter I think you might just get as close to perfect sticks as it gets
you'll still have the other time-factors, however

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Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 24-May-2007

Properly dried tobacco and the new cutter on a properly adjusted Supermatic and filter voids are a non-issue. Actually, properly dried tobacco eliminates filter void issues 95% of the time. Regardless, I'd have to say at this point in time I'd handroll before going back to paying good money for premade pukesticks and to line politicos pockets unnecessarily.

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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by Matt on Thursday, 24-May-2007
I haven't smoked an injected cigarette in about 1 1/2 lbs. time. What I've been finding myself doing is rolling cyclone shaped sticks. If I roll a normal cigarette, you can bet I'll smoke it twice. With the cyclone shape I can put some tobacco in there on the verge of being shake and have a decent smoke I can smoke in one sitting. The downside to these cigarettes is obvious because they look like joints. It's also a downer smoking these cigarettes to "roaches" insteads of "butts".
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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Thursday, 24-May-2007
The only time I seem to be able to eliminate a filter void is if the tobacco is dried properly, it's the proper cut, and the proper amount of tobacco is put in the chamber, and it is pushed into the corners properly, and tamped down properly, and the crank is pulled at the proper speed. All that is assuming of course.....that the gripper timing is properly adjusted and the gripper spring has the proper amount of tension.
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Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Thursday, 24-May-2007

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Posted by mike c on Thursday, 24-May-2007

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Posted by eyeroll on Thursday, 24-May-2007

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Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 24-May-2007

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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by Matt on Thursday, 24-May-2007
I haven't smoked an injected cigarette in about 1 1/2 lbs. time. What I've been finding myself doing is rolling cyclone shaped sticks. If I roll a normal cigarette, you can bet I'll smoke it twice. With the cyclone shape I can put some tobacco in there on the verge of being shake and have a decent smoke I can smoke in one sitting. The downside to these cigarettes is obvious because they look like joints. It's also a downer smoking these cigarettes to "roaches" insteads of "butts".
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Re: hand rollers and roller boxes: Posted by Smokin n Jokin on Thursday, 24-May-2007
The only time I seem to be able to eliminate a filter void is if the tobacco is dried properly, it's the proper cut, and the proper amount of tobacco is put in the chamber, and it is pushed into the corners properly, and tamped down properly, and the crank is pulled at the proper speed. All that is assuming of course.....that the gripper timing is properly adjusted and the gripper spring has the proper amount of tension.
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