OT with a touch of Magnum
Posted by Dave L on Friday, 14-Sep-2007
Two threads moved here, one from Magnum and one from Fresh Choice. With too few exceptions, the posts are not about the Magnum. You're welcome to repost, to the appropriate place, anything that is on topic and doesn't involve trashing _any_ product you don't have first hand experience with. Deletions are based on content, using three different handles (...4 now Freddie/Gomer/jason/Weldon) isn't going to affect that.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by jason on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
Don't post anything negative about the Magnum Injector or they will remove your post. Just know you prospective buyers are being duped.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Weldon on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
Yea, Sounds like they are setting us up for the Mickey Mouse special.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
How can you say anyone is being duped if no--one has one yet? I've never seen a factual negative post get pulled yet! Captn Mike
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dash on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
I think I smell a couple of Fresh Choice salespeople.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
Here is a post I just made on the Fresh Choice site after finding my negative posts were removed from this Magnum Injectors forum.
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This site Blocks any negative input on the Magnum Injector ... But they allow me to post negative comments on MI's competition, the electrified, made-over hand crank (Fresh Choice Machine).
It is strange that the 200 MI machines have never showed up yet... I believe we are being set up for a mass dumping of the Magnum Injectors on the market all at once so lots of machines can be sold before people realize what they are getting is just another deal like the Fresh Choice machine.
I'm telling you, I have studied, logged and kept records on the physics and mechanics of stuffing tobacco for several months now. I don't claim to know it all, But I do know different tobacco moisture levels, cuts, and blends have a huge effect on stuffing smokes.
With that said... I still think there is nothing made or in the pipeline that is any better than the old reliable hand cranks
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
And I fell for (bought) one of those Fresh Choice. Trust me I think it is a piece of shit.
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That is when I bought a tobacco moisture meter and also a digital humidity meter and started studying the mechanics of stuffing smokes.
I was just trying to pass along my thoughts on the magnum Inj., based on my finding and experience. I am a retired master millwright and machinist.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
While I can't speak for Dave, I've certainly never seen him excise posts before that were critical of any product relating to the topic of MYO/RYO; the fact that your recent posts have been untouched kinda confirms that, doesn't it?
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Perhaps before you wandered off spewing gibberish on other sites, you might have inquired as to what happened here. Did you? If you had, you would have discovered that the posts on this site have been mashed-up with Dave's newer incarnation and the occasional posts have gone MIA; sometimes to resurface, sometimes to simply have been moved to another section and sometimes, a few have just vapourised.
Be that as it may, I'm looking forward to seeing you put your expertise to work on creating the dream machine you envision and having you perhaps provide us with a video of its use.... ;-)
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dash on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
Tobacco specialty products of Ontario Canada. You would think if they are coming out with a new product that will revolutionize SYO that they would have a presence on the internet. If they do I can't find it.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
Wazmo Nariz you said "Be that as it may, I'm looking forward to seeing you put your expertise to work on creating the dream machine ........." and "Perhaps before you wandered off spewing gibberish on other sites" . Have you ever heard of the word "apology" as opposed to being arrogant and cocky ?
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I have a modified hand crank with a tobacco feeder that produces manufactured looking smokes consistently and is faster than the overcompacted, ragged end smokes in the MJ video. Even with your arrogant attitude, I think you would be impressed.... However....
Until the arrogant, smart-ass know-it-all responses stop and I receive a sincere apology from the forum, I will keep my thoughts to myself and you smart asses can continue to promote these Mickey
Mouse machines.
Wazmo.... I don't profess to know it all. After over 30yrs. installing and setting up manufacturing equipment... I do know a little about the physics and mechanics of stuffing tobacco in a tube without over-compressing or over-drying tobacco.
Oh... there I go spewing gibberish again...
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
So Jason I am being duped. First off let me explain a couple of things as a group we are all over 18 I would bet, and we all have the freedom of choice.
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Now if you purchased a fresh choice and either cant work it or broke it, well then that isn't grounds to run around on every forum you can get on and scream that you have been misled.
I will tell you one thing if I buy a magnum and it works as advertised then I will sing its praises if it doesn't I will say so and let others make up their minds for themselves but I wont be running around writing post after post feeling bitter and betrayed.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
David Brown, I am retired master machinist and millwright.... I have installed and set up manufacturing and packaging machines in food, beverage, and chemical plants to state a few.... I have a high degree of expertise in machines and equipment.... I know machines and I have worked on and assembled a lot over the years... I know how they work and I know what to look for in the video.
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WATCH THE VIDEO... if you know anything about machines, you will know what I am talking about.
Now... I've seen the video... I saw the ragged tobacco end of the stuffed tube in the video where the tobacco was overstuffed in the injection tube then pushed into the larger inside diameter cigarette tube.... I believe that if the guy in the video turned the tube upside down, the over-compacted tobacco would have fallen out of the tube... Instead the guy patted about 3/8 to 1/2 inch of protruding tobacco into the end of the tube....
Now.... manufactured cigarettes are rolled, not stuffed, with a measured amount of tobacco. They are then cut to length and then filter applied.
Now I am cautious of the MI because after several months... still no 200 MI machines for smokers to test. Is it possible that Mag.Inj. is building up its inventory of machines hoping to sell all before any feedback has time to effects sales .
I am just trying to help you people... Sure I bought the Fresh Choice and that's my fault that I didn't check it out... I bought it because I got it at bargain (I thought at the time). I will turn this lemon (FC) into lemonade when I get time.
What I have seen so far, there is nothing out there or in the pipeline any better than the ole reliable hand crank. To beat the hand crank, you have to recognize key problems and make a machine to correct them... hasn't been done yet... Simple things like a sharp knife to shear tobacco in chamber and a check/stopper to hold tobacco in tube while retracting spoon and many other possibilities.
If you guys don't want to hear what I have to say, then I will just sit back and let you have at it... Just trying to help.
... And David Brown, My Fresh Choice machine is not broke, I do know how to work it... It is just another poorly engineered piece of equipment using the same technology as the hand crank, but without the "feel" of the hand crank.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
ok everybody that I love
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I was motivated to wait endlessly with my dialup service to see the MI video.
I retract my evil, because to me, it simply looks like an armsaver to the feeble (kidding, kidding) and in the absense of a 'baccy trough it shouldn't infringe on our future freedoms, in the form of commercialisation taxation, etc, etc.....so ENJOY!!!!! looks like his name may be Luigi???(sp)
sorry if I ran him off, my bad
I lack the technical skill to notice any slight-of-hand, though I am very curious about this....just looked like a bit of over-pack to me, which is standard fare in my world, and would maybe make sense towards people using 100mm, etc??
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
Owww,
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Guess I touched a nerve.
All I can say is this, Freddie if you have all the expertise and being retired you have time ( I know I do) and you know all the flaws in the magnum by just seeing the video (lest not forget Doug reporting that he used one for a month and I am sure if the pack wasn't right he would not have kept that quiet) if you are so sure it is a flop then create a better one and I am sure we will all be in line to get one from you.
I for one will hold my response to any unit, handheld, crank or electric until I have personally used it. Because without first hand knowledge all it is, is speculation.
- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
I, too, believe that actually putting one of these units through its paces in the real world is the only meaningful way to make any sort of rational, informed judgement one way or another. After all, to many, Duhbya Bush probably looked good on video sound bites before his election--but now that he's been tested, most would probably agree he certainly didn't translate very well into the real world.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Freddie on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
David Brown.... Read my reply to the post by Wazmo Nariz on Thursday, 13-Sep-2007
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Also, I do know what I am talking about and I do have a mechanically actuated feeder and modified hand crank (many mods) that shears a clean cut.... Ooops there I go spewing gibberish again...
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
This site Blocks any negative input on the Magnum Injector ... But they allow me to post negative comments on MI's competition, the electrified, made-over hand crank (Fresh Choice Machine).
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It is strange that the 200 MI machines have never showed up yet... I believe we are being set up for a mass dumping of the Magnum Injectors on the market all at once so lots of machines can be sold before people realize what they are getting is just another deal like the Fresh Choice machine.
I'm telling you, I have studied, logged and kept records on the physics and mechanics of stuffing tobacco for several months now. I don't claim to know it all, But I do know different tobacco moisture levels, cuts, and blends have a huge effect on stuffing smokes.
With that said... I still think there is nothing made or in the pipeline that is any better than the old reliable hand cranks.
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Dash on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
"I do know different tobacco moisture levels, cuts, and blends have a huge effect on stuffing smokes."
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mmm.... That's hardly a revelation. I think we pretty much all know that.
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
Smart ass.... I hope you are the first to buy a magnum injector
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- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Dash on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
"I hope you are the first to buy a magnum injector"
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Me too, and the sooner the better.
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by untainted evil on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
i hope it has faulty wiring and causes housefires
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mc
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Freddie on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
You just made my day.... Now... after you made a pack of smokes on your brand new magnum injector and you are driving your car in heavy traffic... then you light one of your new MI stuffed smokes.... and then the burning tobacco falls out of the now loosely packed smoke with the tobacco hanging out the tip and falls into your lap... burning holes in your trousers and leaving burn welts on your legs and balls ..... Then I want to hear your smart-ass remark.
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LOOK AT THE MAGNUM INJECTOR VIDEO, DUMB ASS... or wait... maybe you are the one the video on the Magnum Injector Forum.
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by mike c on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
hey Freddie....only the first 5 words apply to me, right??
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here's an email if you care to passify this, so-as not to bother Dave further
delta-wave@hotmail.com
sorry Dave, you know me
- Re: Fresh Choice
- Posted by Dash on Wednesday, 12-Sep-2007
I live in a small town of 3000 people in Northern Wyoming, the closest thing we have to heavy traffic is a herd of sheep on the road. I looked at the magnum injector review, looks to me like you can stuff a stick as tight as you like, anyhoo......I think I'll just wait until someone actually has one before I pay much attention to their review of it.
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