Different kind of future....
Posted by pokey on Friday, 07-Sep-2007
I read somewhere that the cost of a package of cigarettes in Canada isn't much higher than it is here in the US but the tax on a pound of bulk tobacco there is around $75.00 I don't know how much it is here but it can't be much as I have seen a pound of bulk tobacco for as low as $9.00 or $10.00. The taxing authorities, both state and Federal here have to be looking at that and thinking...if they can get away with it there why not here. Considering that the recent round of tax increases by some of the states have increased their revenue tremendously but decreased their taxable customer base by as much as 25 or 28 per cent in some states they have to be concerned about their long term revenue stream from the new tax. There are plenty of statistics that indicate that the success rate of quitting smoking is around 5%, it doesn't take much to be able to figure out that the remaining 20 or so per cent of smokers have found other avenues, and it takes even less to be able to figure out that one of those avenues is stuffing your own cigarettes from bulk tobacco. So......how long do you think it can possibly be before the tax man cometh to stuff you own tobacco?
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- United Corporations of America
- Posted by Gomer on Tuesday, 16-Oct-2007
Just know that Smoking is counter productive. It has cost corporations millions of hours in productivity. Since the United States of America, Canada and Mexico is really the UNITED CORPORATIONS OF AMERICA, the working class are just subjects to the Corporations. If smokers are going to smoke then the Corporations are going to get there money's worth from these smoker subjects through taxes.
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The UNIONS were the working class's only representation in Washington DC. Reagan killed the unions and their clout in Washington DC in the 80's. Who better would know the union's power in DC than Reagan, he was once president of the Actors Guild. (actors union).
Since then it has been higher prices and lower wages. Yet that was not enough for the USC of A (United Corporations of America), they demanded productivity be increased from 80% to 150%. Considering that smoking is a habit, it will take time to break smoking habit through manipulation and poplar opinion (democracy). So to make up for loss of productivity punish smokers through higher taxes.
Bottom line: If you are going to smoke you are going to pay.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 20-Sep-2007
The question should be... How Long Do You Think Before The Tax Man Comes And Starts Taxing your fast food, your penchant to eat a pizza in front of the TV?? How Long Before Hillary Care comes into being, when you HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE to even get a job????
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Smoking??? Hell, you'll be rounded up and put into a Political Camp, Re-Educated and turned out as a Defeat-O-Crat Zombie, dressed in pink, screamining for higher taxes and swearing that our Military is the Enemy!
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Jo on Wednesday, 26-Sep-2007
My insuranceis going to start charging extra if you are overweight or if you smoke. Several of the women are in trouble. I think it is a convenient excuse to charge more. Don't forget the states took the tobacco settlement to cover the extra cost of smokers, so I don't get why we are paying extra.
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People pay more than enough in cigarette taxes to cover the smoker's health care. Not everyone that smokes dies of cancer and people who don't smoke do get cancer. But what the heck, when you can blame it on second hand smoke and use it as a reason to tax a person, it doesn't matter, I suppose.
I am getting tired of being treated like a red headed stepchild.
26% of American smoke, I have heard. 46 million. Correct me if I am wrong on that.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 27-Sep-2007
As an aside since you mentioned second hand smoke. There was a W.H.O. study over about 25 or more years that wasn't released in its entirety because one of the conclusions it came to was that second hand smoke actually had a benefit for children in the 6-10 year old range.
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I can't point you to the url with the report itself since it's been quite some time since I was interested in the subject however I do believe that if you start on MYO mags site, in their political section you will eventually end up with it.
I just thought i'd mention it :)
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by ALLTALL on Thursday, 27-Sep-2007
FWIW, I read that report also years ago. Unfortunately the WHO choose to ignore that aspect of their findings. The whole purpose of the study was to PROVE that second hand smoke was harmful. The fact that they couldn't do so, even though the study was the most comprehensive investigation of the effects on smoking ever done, tells you a lot about what is really going on with this subject.
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 02-Oct-2007
I couldn't agree with you more. It seems to me that what's going on is that there's an element in this country that's trying to set a repressive, nanny state, socialist agenda and the truth be damned. My county recently banned smoking in bars and despite the politicians view that business not only hasn't been affected but is better, the fact of the matter is that the bars are essentially empty. They enacted this ban without ever putting it to a vote, a fait accompli, despite strong public opinion to the contrary. Just the other day a U.S. Senator speaking about medical marijuana made the preposterous statement that 'more study needs to be done on the drug'. Apparently said politician is ignorant of The British East Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report which is the definitive authority on the subject. (Which concluded it should be legalized & taxed.)
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And no matter how open I try to be to the arguments being made by these politicians I always find a democrat behind them. They don't want to impose the rule of law on use, they want to impose the rule of life upon us.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by David Brown on Tuesday, 02-Oct-2007
One more reason to vote for a man who enjoys a cuban every day , gotta go with Fred in 08
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 09-Oct-2007
I also agree! There's something going on in this country, and I don't like the feel of it. It almost seems like there is a government within the government calling the shots! All I can say is mark them down, and remember them on election day. Our vote still counts for the senate and congress; unless they've figured out a way to fudge those too! They all talk about America, and Americans being their first priority, but why then am I hard put to find anything made in America anymore? My wife bought some apple juice at Giant Eagle the other day, and I noticed in small writing "Juice made from concentrate from China'? There are apple orchards all over Northern Ohio here; so how could it be cheaper to bring it all the way from China? How is the American people better off having their jobs sent to Mexico and China? Bill Clinton seemed to feel that task needed to be fast--tracked! I could go on, but if you are reading this you have at least one eye. I sometime wonder if we as tobacco smokers have been an experiment to gage how far Americans can be pushed? I apologize for the off--topic paragraph, but I believe most who read these pages regularly have 20/20 sight--may be I'm missing something? I believe the next stage involves dis--arming the American Citizens.
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- Posted by Matt on Tuesday, 09-Oct-2007
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"I believe the next stage involves dis--arming the American Citizens."
...Barack Obama already has a plan to get that ball rolling. For instance, he's for banning all forms of semiautomatics. If I have someone kicking in my door high on crystal meth, I would prefer to shoot them with each pull of the trigger. A single-action gun is great for out of date lawbreakers but new kinds of criminals should be disposed of with the proper weapons for dealing with them.
Police officers are trained to empty the magazine, why should someone trying to protect their home and family be denied the same means?
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Thursday, 27-Sep-2007
Dano,
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Here is a link:
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... that is a good summary of the fudged EPA report on ETS (second hand smoke) in 1993 - the report that started everything and one that was based on junk science and junk statistical procedures.
Another good link on the ruse of Clinton adminstration's EPA chief Carol Browner, who released the report:
[link]
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 02-Oct-2007
Thanks for the links. I have read those before, the only conclusion I can come to is that Politics is the Science of the Big Lie. What it makes me want to do is empty my ashtrays into a big bag and drive over to city hall and empty it in their parking lot :)
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Tuesday, 02-Oct-2007
Since were on chat, I'll go a bit further off topic but pointing to the junk science that permeates the smoking issue.
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Great book on the myth of global warming;
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Monday, 08-Oct-2007
I love Global Warming :)
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I especially love Leonardo DiCaprio's recent foray into the subject with his monumental FLOP of a movie (The 11'th Hour). There's a clip here, [link]
What I find ironic is that Leo is a HS Dropout yet at the end of the clip he implores everyone to 'Get Educated' :) This clip is to Global Warming what Reefer Madness was to marijuana :)
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Wednesday, 10-Oct-2007
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I like the analogy to Reefer Madness....
I've developed a short quiz for the unsuspecting econazi:
1. True or False.
Bush refuses to sign the Kyoto agreement?
2. Europe's emissions of ghg's are greater than, less than, about equal to that of the United States?
3. China who has not signed the Kyoto agreement, in fact, they are exempt, will start up how many coal burning plants until 2100. (which btw, is the year they've said they'd 'consider the Kyoto protocol.)
a. 5 a year until 2100
b. 10 a year
c. 30 a year
d. more than c or less than a.... and how much more or less
4. The so called "consensus" (everyone knows global warming exists and was caused by man) as reported by Al Gore in his book and award winning movie "One Flew over... er.. "Inconvenient Truth"* was compiled by:
a. A leading Climatologist
b. A leading Meteriologist
c. A history professor
d. Tipper Gore
5. Regarding the "consensus" information, out of the 928 docs cited as having no disagreement with anthropogenic global warming, how many of those explicitly supported that idea? How many implicitly supported it?
6. Out of the 1300 people that signed "The Letter" proclaiming global warming as a fact, how many were climatologists (the area of study specific to the question of global warming)?
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Answers:
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1. False. The treaty was signed by Clinton. There is no more need for Bush to sign it as there would have been for Ike to sign the treaty with Japan after Truman did. The other aspect of this is that Clinton/Gore for reasons well known at the time - the crunch that it would put on the economy, and the unfairness of some of the provisions [obviously Bill prevailed]- never even sent it to the Senate and the Senate never asked for it, even after Daschle took charge and there's not been a peep out of any Senator of the current majority to take up the cause - they wouldn't even need Bush to 'authorize' it since it's already authorized by the executive. No Advice Or Consent seen forth coming but I'm guessing that even some of them are still claiming that Bush is the 'stop' on Kyoto. In fact, Bush Could 'unsign' the treaty as he did with one other matter, and he hasn't done that, although I wish he would. I could say he "refuses to unsign it" ;-) but I don't think that is the case either.
2. Europe's emissions are 3 times the amount of the US. This despite the 'victory' won by Europe in establishing a 'baseline year' that was after the fact that East German was 'consolidated' into the current Germany - giving them a head start on reduction since they almost immediately shut down all the big polluting plants in the communist state - as did most of the Eastern block. Even so Europe is still 3x the emissions of the US with most of EU already taking the unemployment hits as a result of instituting some of the regulation and taxes demanded by the protocols - hence some of the rioting in the streets and the burning cars in Paris doesn't help either :-) As you may very well know, they are now threatening not to trade with any country (read - the US) that hasn't conformed with the protocol - that is, those countries that aren't exempt like China, India, Mexico, Brazil and about 130 others.
3. China predicts it will put on line a coal burning facility every 5 days until 2100, although if their population zero takes hold that may extend to one a week.
4. 5. Naomi Oreskes, history professor, which Gore cites, did basically a google search (probably Nexis/Lexis or something for scientific documents) for _global_ _climate_ _change_ ( she falsely reported that she just searched 'climate change' - was caught at the ruse and admitted it - a search for "climate change' will get you around 12000 documents many of which explicitly deny any anthropogenic global warming or any global warming at all for that matter. The earth has been 'cooling' since 1998 btw.) - anyway the good professor came up with 928 documents that, as she reported did _not_ negate the idea of anthropogenic global warming. They also didn't negate the idea that god created the universe, or what came first the chicken or the egg.... :-) In actual fact only 13 documents explicitly upheld the view, 322 assumed implicitly the idea in one manner or another, the rest didn't even approach or mention the issue, yet much of the talk of consensus comes right from Gore's movie/book.
*His latest book, "The Assault on Reason" ... an autobiography??? lol.... where he tries to assault those who were stupid enough to check his facts.
6. One climatologist signed "the Letter."
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
"Econazi".....
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No wonder this country is so seriously devided and that it gets harder and harder for people to work together to get shit done; we're so busy tossing "cute" little Limbaugh-esque names at one another that we always seem to end up forgetting what we're really trying to deal with....
An interesting quiz, I imagine, but you spoil your gig straight away with rush-isms like that.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Rush-isms?? Give us a break! You sound like a refugee from Air America. I thought his quiz was excellent. I admit I didn't know the last 2 answers. What I do know is that the only people buying into this man made global warming argument are 1. Poorly Educated 2. Socialists 3. Politicians 4. Researchers Looking For Grants and are scared to death about having their funding cut off. 5. Europeans
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In case you haven't noticed, there's a new movement that is saying "Zero emissions needed to avert 'dangerous' warming"
Read About It Here: [link]
You might like to juxtapose what you read there with what you hear here.
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And in closing, when you speak about divisions in this country you should be aware of some facts. Imus got tossed off the air because of Hillary Clinton's start up, Media Matters. She crows about how she helped get it going. The IMan doesn't like Clinton, She Went For The Throat! The IMan Is Back! Harry Reid is either stupendously stupid or he flat out lied when he accused Limbaugh of defaming the troops! Limbaugh was talking about a 'Phony Soldier' that was never in Iraq, dishonorably discharged from the Army after telling stories that never happened. The reason this country is divided is simple, Democrats want us to Loose In Iraq, They Want To Raise Our Taxes, They Want US to PAY For Illegal Mexicans Health Care, Education & Welfare, They Want us to pretend that Wal-Mart is bad while and the UAW, AFL-CIO & The Teachers Union are good despite the fact that every one of these unions has sent their respective industries into last place in the world!
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Right On Dano
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Dano,
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" I thought his quiz was excellent."
Thanks. :-)
" I admit I didn't know the last 2 answers. What I do know is that the only people buying into this man made global warming argument are 1. Poorly Educated 2. Socialists 3. Politicians 4. Researchers Looking For Grants and are scared to death about having their funding cut off. 5. Europeans"
You got that right, and 1. is because Gov't schools are run by 3, taught by 2.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
"An interesting quiz, I imagine, but you spoil your gig straight away with rush-isms like that."
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Oh boy. I heard and used the term well before Rush, And with good reason - it depicts exactly the type of person that it is used on. If you don't get that then there's no hope in explaining further. And I'm not 'working together to get shit done'. I'm working with those of like mind to get things undone. A first step is to correctly identify the problem. They have their cute politically correct words and phrases that soft sell their true intent. I don't play the 'can't we all get along' game with people that never intend to get along at all.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
It is not too amazing so many people accept so much of the BS spewed out by those with a political agenda. The "human made global warming" BS is just the latest. It has become a religion of sorts for the uneducated and poorly educated masses. And as it is with any religion, is just another way to control the masses.
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Yes, our public education system is failing us or we would not have so many people duped by such BS. Then again, ignorance is curable through educating your self. Stupidity is something a person is born with and usually supported by the family since they arguably have the same stupidity gene. I would say we suffer from the latter just as much, if not more, in this country and all over the world as we do from pure and simple ignorance.
Educate your self is the best advice I can give anyone. Don't rely on what you read, see or hear unless you do your due diligence in researching the facts. Truth? That is all to relative and subjective. Look at the scientifically supported facts. "True science" not the junk and pseudo crap of the politico.
I tell my son that he will only get out of his education that which he is willing to work towards. Good advice for anyone in my book.
I really don't want to get into a big debate on the question here, because I am tired and it may be considered off topic. However, I'll leave you with one of my own quotes. AFAIK, it is a Kerry original.
"Religion's only resource is ignorance."
Who said that? I said that!
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Kerry,
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"Educate your self is the best advice I can give anyone. Don't rely on what you read, see or hear unless you do your due diligence in researching the facts."
You said a lot right there. Agree with much of the rest, and your son is lucky to have this advice. Schools teach too much 'what to think' rather than 'how to think'.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
You took the words right out of my mouth! I usually say that exact thing when I get on my "high horse". I guess I am really tired. (grin)
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Monday, 15-Oct-2007
Of course, teaching our children starts at home. Anyone who expects the school system, private or public, to instill values, ethics and an honest search for facts without providing that from birth for their children, well, is a moron.
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Sadly, we have more than our share of morons. And, unfortunately, many of them are currently holding public office or were appointed by morons holding public office.
Did I say I was tired? I guess some things are worth staying awake.
Wake up America? If only it were that simple.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 16-Oct-2007
Hell, I am still up and thinking about what I wrote here. So, I thought I might as well come out of the closet, so to speak. Here is my Stage6 entity page.
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[link]
I hope it works for anyone without having to register, but I am not sure about that.
OK, now you know. Did it change your mind about me? I hope not, because I am the same person. You simply know a little more about me and if my viewpoints were valid before, they are valid now.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Tuesday, 16-Oct-2007
I'm sure we have a lot of the same books on the bookshelves. I lean heavily toward Rand.
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
I still haven't read "Atlas Shrugged", but am in a continual state of "I am gonna". As with many other things, just have to find the time.
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It is good, in any case, to find like minds. The world is a little smaller somehow.
Thanks for the positive reply!
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by KentC on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Kerry,
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>I still haven't read "Atlas Shrugged", but am in a continual state of "I am gonna"... just have to find the time.
I hear ya. It's long but not boring. I think the key is just to start. First line : "Who is John Galt"
To give you an idea of the effect - my licence :-)
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If you have a recent copy of the book, skip the intro - definite spoilers there. Don't know why they publishers did that.
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- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
GALT ? Now that's funny! I'd wager at least 95% of the people that see that plate think it's your last name :)
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I often take notice of what people have to say on their plates. Recently I was at a stop light and noticed the car in front of me had the plate,
" MY P-52 " .
It was obviously a designer plate and I had to scratch my head for a few seconds trying to figure out the meaning. Looking up I noticed he was driving a brand new Ford Mustang. As a recreational pilot I got a big laugh out that.
PS: In looking at your plate there's more than one chuckle in there. The "Ohio Birthplace of Aviation" makes me wonder what Orville & Wilbur Wright would have to say about that. :)
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
I came to Ayn Rand in the late 60's. She is a Giant! Not only for her political commentary but for being able to weave her thoughts into a great read. It was a time for Giants, Vonnegut, Tolkien, Frank Loyd Wright and many others. It was a complete repudiation of the dark Socialist Philosophy that started rearing its ugly head in this country in the 1920's, right up until WWII led by such high profile people as Charles Lindbergh , Samuel Gompers and Eugene V. Debs.
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There's an interesting parallel in what Democrats say today as opposed to what has happened in the past. Hillary Clinton has said, Corporate Executives make too much money, she has essentially advocated "Transferring profits of major industries to their respective employees, relinquishing capital to those who create it." OR to put it in a more understandable way, she wants the people on the shop floor who come to work every day to make more money then the Employers who spent their own money to start the factory in the first place! That's Socialism!
Collective Bargaining is one of the main pillars of Socialist thought. What it does is exclude the tax payer from voicing their opinion while giving the Union absolutely outrageous advantages! For instance, in the case of the teachers union, they receive AUTOMATIC raises, at tax payers expense, even if the school district doesn't want to renew their contracts! Outrageous! Don't want to renew my contract? No Problem! I get an automatic raise anyway... doesn't matter that our profession is a laughing stock... we have the politicians in our pocket! See Ya 3 Months Off! Going Boating!
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- Posted by George on Tuesday, 16-Oct-2007
Kerry,
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Although I rarely post here, I had to respond to the link. Some very good quotes, it is actually pretty amazing when you look at the authors of these quotes, a who's who of thinking people and great Americans. Question authority, question government, question organized reilgion, question yourself. All healty things. One of my favorites, from now deceased comedian Bill Hicks: I smoke, if this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your F#@$ing mouth.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Thanks for the reply. I am still working on that site, among others, and the listings of quotes is very far from complete. I haven't even had time to organize them much at all. Simply cut and paste so far.
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I like your quote as well and will look it up. I try not to quote anything I haven't checked out. Um, don't quote me on that! (grin)
- Bill Hicks
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
ROTFLMAO! Thanks George! Love it!
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For everyone else, google Bill Hicks, if you haven't already!
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's hilarious!"
Still laughing!
- Oops!
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Screwed up the quote a little...
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious!"
Don't know if it makes that much difference, but it might for some people. You know who you are! (grin)
- Re: Bill Hicks
- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
It really is too bad Bill died back in 1994. The only material I can find dates back only a few years before his death. It would have been interesting to hear his take on the world today and to see if and how his views might have changed as he grew older.
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Thanks again George for pointing me to his material.
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Hey Kerry, no I haven't changed my about mind you, and thanks for the link! I enjoyed it! Capt Mike
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- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
Thanks! I think? (grin)
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Glad you got some pleasure out of it.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 19-Oct-2007
For sure! I've always enjoyed your opinions on the many subjects we cover here, and even looked forward to some; since almost everything you say you think out before posting. Captn Mike
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- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
"Almost" being the operative word. LOL!
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I won't disagree on that one. Bourbon and cigarettes... great fuel for "almost" thinking out anything! (grin)
Unfortunately, the substances that actually do help to think things out and reach a higher level of consciousness are illegal.
Somehow, I sense a conspiracy! Naa, I just need another mind numbing drink. Ah... there it is... Bliss.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
Surely you jest! I've come to the conclusion that the reasons many of these substances are illegal is because they do help. I have discovered through my grandchildren that public schools are teaching more "what to think" than how to think things out and reason! There has been much going on, and freely available to those willing to research and read; a topic for another forum certainly!
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Captn Mike
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Tuesday, 23-Oct-2007
I think you missed my ironic sarcasm, although it is possible that we actually do disagree. Not sure. As I reread what we both wrote in the last two posts, I don't seem to find any points we actually disagree on.
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You are surely correct in that this discussion would most likely be more proper on another topical forum, but what the heck when it comes to government intrusion into personal choice for any adult. That is to say that I don't advocate the use any of the "substances" I was referring to by children, but only by adults. Also, I will add that I don't encourage their usage by anyone with known mental disorders or psychotic tendencies. Not so much that it will definitely cause a bad thing to happen as much as I am sure the "substance" and not the person will be blamed for their choices and actions.
Too often the blame for bad things people do is blamed on things which, in actuality, had very little to do with the deed. It makes a perfect scapegoat for those who would rather not accept personal responsibility for their own actions and would allow others to use the same scapegoat to justify their actions.
I accept, that along with the freedom of personal choice comes personal responsibility for ones actions when exercising those choices. I would only like to see more freedom of personal choice and more accountability for the personal responsibility instead of enacting legislation to curb personal freedoms in the name of "protecting us from ourselves".
Well, I really didn't mean to write this much of a response, but, there it is.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 23-Oct-2007
Kerry I agree with you on all of the points presented in our above posts. Especially the point you made about personal responsibility for the acts we do as a result of free choice! Morality can't be legislated! It seems our kids are being taught to accept without question; to not question what they are told--is. What is; is subject to which text books are bought, and the author's thoughts. While our teachers here where I live were politicking for passage of a levy of Emergency funds they were caught red--handed throwing cases of New Textbooks in the dumpster, because someone decided they didn't care for some of the subject matter. I too didn't intend to write this much, but there it is.
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 01-Nov-2007
It's beyond me as to why there hasn't been a great uprising in this country against what is happening in the K-12 school arena. In my day, the school nurse couldn't even give you an aspirin, now they are giving 12 year olds birth control pills without parental consent!
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Without going into a long song and dance this can be traced back to the limited number of Teachers Colleges and their chilling dogma. Multi Cultural ism, Tolerance and Diversity are all code words. The agenda is simple and terrifying. They (The Teachers Unions) want our children to believe that our country was founded by a bunch of white men (who should be vilified) that were sadistic imperialists. They want your children to accept homosexuality. They want your children to believe that the underlying trappings of this country, such as Christmas, are intolerant displays and are forcing them in many venues to accept Moslem displays during holidays!
There's only going to be one cure for this and that is for either the President or State Governors to DE-Certify the Teachers Unions! No more binding arbitration, no more State Mandated, Tax Payer Funded retirement , no more Tenure! Quite frankly, K-12 Teachers are the biggest disgrace that this country has ever seen. I don't know why people aren't going to their homes, dragging them out the door and tar & feathering them!
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 01-Nov-2007
I am transplanting this from a music forum....I just missed the band because of my new kitty having apparently FERTILIZER burns on all four legs and was in danger of an amputation......would have been my first show in 5 years...anyway....
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Last Tuesday we went with friends to see Porcupine Tree at Bogarts in Cininnati OH. There was no advance warning anywhere, but everyone was searched on entry and carriers of forbidden items were told to either take them away or chuck 'em in a big bin they had there.
The rules that caused the most grief were:
- No cigarettes (not even in your pocket, and despite the fact that posession of ciggies is not yet illegal in America). Lighters were OK though so work that one out.
- No PENS OR PENCILS. They are considered to be a sharp object and potentially dangerous. You can take one on a plane but not into Bogarts apparently.
What next?
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
You're still up thinking about what you wrote here?? Chill out amigo :)
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I took a look at your site and have 2 things to say. First thing out of my mouth would be pretty cool. I generally agree with you on your commentary and I loved the quotes, especially Robert A Heinlein's and the (excuse me if I'm wrong about the attribution) the unattributed quote, ‘If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?’ Over all I found it a great read.
The other thing I found interesting is that it's being hosted on a DivX site. I think DivX is an outstanding medium and highly overlooked. After a little poking around I noticed the video by Anushka Shankar (obviously Ravi's daughter, who's dad I greatly admire). That vid is like the Guns N Roses of India! She must be Slash's sister! Outstanding video :) I also found Jethro Tull's live 1976 Madison Square Garden show which I attended.. Was it that long ago? It was great to be able to download that video for my personal collection.
Kudos
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
Thanks for the kudos. Unfortunately, I AM one of those people who pound the keyboard with little editing of forethought. I do try to look back at what I write and edit it before I post it, but as many will know, a few seconds while "in the moment" to edit doesn't work very well most of the time.
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If I could get inspired to write when I have time to think about it and actually put it into Notepad or Wordpad, walk away from it, think about it, look at it with new eyes and all that, I would probably still write much of the same crap. However, I might not stay up thinking about it. (grin)
Hell, maybe I would get it right once in a while.
- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Tuesday, 09-Oct-2007
As far as smoking goes the Hillery croud have the mantra that if you repeat it often enough, long enough, it becomes fact, and there are plenty of newspapers willing to perpetuate the lies!
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- Re: Different kind of future....
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 18-Oct-2007
I couldn't agree more. I think Hillary's undoing will be her husband, President Bill Clinton's unabashed, unbiased personal opinion on the matter. When it came right down to it President Bill, when confronted with the question, Who's Best Qualified to Smoke The Presidential Cigar? Choose.... Monika!
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Call me French if you will but I'm not voting for a woman who refuses to smoke a cigar when the President puts it in her face. :)